Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

[Barry Amsterdam]

This is the list of NHL defensemen at or below 5'10" and at or below 170lb

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Hutson is 5'9" 150lb

Show me the list for guys with more points as a defenseman in NCAA History for a single season.

You can make the height and weight whatever you want. And dont even have to include being a freshman.

The list is about the same

 

[norrisnick]

Show me the list for guys with more points as a defenseman in NCAA History for a single season.

You can make the height and weight whatever you want. And dont even have to include being a freshman.

The list is about the same

I'm not saying Hutson isn't a good collegiate player.

Just that you have to go back to the 50's to find an NHL defenseman his size. Back when 6'0 200lb Gordie Howe was a giant among men.

 

[ricky0034]

it's such a shame that Hutson is contractually forbidden from gaining any weight

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

and hutson was well over ppg as a freshman… as a dman

we know you have a certain type for a defenseman but those guys are legit

Hutson yes Korchinski no.

Hutson improved quite a bit in his d+1 but Korchinski looked like the same Korchinski as last year. Same tendencies, same mistakes.

And I like Hutson but I’m hesitant to crown a 5’9” defenseman as a sure thing yet.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

I'm not saying Hutson isn't a good collegiate player.

Just that you have to go back to the 50's to find an NHL defenseman his size. Back when 6'0 200lb Gordie Howe was a giant among men.

times be a changing

Hutson yes Korchinski no.

Hutson improved quite a bit in his d+1 but Korchinski looked like the same Korchinski as last year. Same tendencies, same mistakes.

And I like Hutson but I’m hesitant to crown a 5’9” defenseman as a sure thing yet.

of course not i’m not either. Nobody’s a sure thing until they get to the dance.

 

[norrisnick]

it's such a shame that Hutson is contractually forbidden from gaining any weight

He's 5'9". There is only so much weight you can pile on that frame and still function as an athlete.

 

[Barry Amsterdam]

He's 5'9". There is only so much weight you can pile on that frame and still function as an athlete.

bedard is 5’9 and he’s damn near 190

 

[norrisnick]

bedard is 5’9 and he’s damn near 190

That Bedard is 17 and nearly 190 and that Hutson is 19 and only 150 is quite telling on what their frames are capable of carrying.

Hutson could very well turn into a great pro, but as of right now the odds are stacked against him. He'd basically be blazing a trail as a U16 framed defenseman making it in the current NHL.

 

[ricky0034]

Torey Krug is 194 and has gained 19 pounds since he was a prospect

Torey Krug Stats And News

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Torey Krug - Men's Ice Hockey - Michigan State University Athletics

Torey Krug (44) D - Torey Krug Promotional WebsiteOpted to forego his final season of eligibility when he signed a professional contract with the Boston Bruins

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Torey Krug

Torey Krug, D Shoots: L Height: 5-9 Weight: 175

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some sources have Hutson at over 160 already as well:

Lane Hutson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lane Hutson, 2004-02-14 North Barrington, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Montréal Canadiens. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

it's silly to judge teenagers by their weight and there's no reason he can't hit 180+ over time

 

[norrisnick]

Torey Krug is 194 and has gained 19 pounds since he was a prospect

Torey Krug Stats And News

Get all the latest stats, news, videos, and more on Torey Krug.

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Torey Krug - Men's Ice Hockey - Michigan State University Athletics

Torey Krug (44) D - Torey Krug Promotional WebsiteOpted to forego his final season of eligibility when he signed a professional contract with the Boston Bruins

msuspartans.com

Torey Krug

Torey Krug, D Shoots: L Height: 5-9 Weight: 175

dobberprospects.com

some sources have Hutson at over 160 already as well:

Lane Hutson - Stats, Contract, Salary & More

Eliteprospects.com hockey player profile of Lane Hutson, 2004-02-14 North Barrington, IL, USA USA. Most recently in the NHL with Montréal Canadiens. Complete player biography and stats.

www.eliteprospects.com

it's silly to judge teenagers by their weight and there's no reason he can't hit 180+ over time

So Krug gaining 19 lbs equates to Hutson gaining 40?

BU has him listed at 5'10" 155lb. So if they're padding height why aren't they padding the weight? Or are they padding the weight to make him 155lb?

His two year older brother is listed at 5'11" 170lb. Any info on how big Quinn Hutson was at 19?

If and when Hutson makes the show he will comfortably be the smallest D in the league. Can he thrive? Maybe. Am I betting on him over Kasper? No.

EDIT - just looked up Hutson's combine measurements. 5'8.25" 158lb BU has him taller but lighter? He lose babyfat but not gain any muscle?

 

[Shaman464]

He's 5'9". There is only so much weight you can pile on that frame and still function as an athlete.

Joining an NHL roster adds 2 inches. He will be listed as 5'11". I got to meet Datsyuk twice in my life. I am 5'11". He's listed as 5'11". I definitely had at least an inch and a half on him if not a full 2".

 

[jfrank21]

Graduating high school is a major accomplishment? Or is this something else?

He graduated high school in a different country with a different language that he learned along with playing a high level of hockey and bouncing over to yet another country to make his professional debut...so yeah, relatively impressive compared to most kids his age.

 

[jaster]

Lane Hutson over Marco Kasper? I guess it's the off-season lol. Hutson is a midget. Midgets put up huge points in NCAA all the time. Now maybe Hutson is the greatest midget in college hockey history, that would be impressive, but he's still going to struggle in the NHL due to his size.

Marco Kasper has both a higher ceiling and a higher floor than Hutson. They aren't even in the same tier of prospects. Kasper is the type of forward who would eat a type of dman like Hutson alive in the NHL. This is a case where you really need to project these kids at the NHL level and not look only at what they are doing against their peers. Hutson has a much higher hurdle to clear than Kasper.

 

[Shaman464]

Lane Hutson over Marco Kasper? I guess it's the off-season lol. Hutson is a midget. Midgets put up huge points in NCAA all the time. Now maybe Hutson is the greatest midget in college hockey history, that would be impressive, but he's still going to struggle in the NHL due to his size.

Marco Kasper has both a higher ceiling and a higher floor than Hutson. They aren't even in the same tier of prospects. Kasper is the type of forward who would eat a type of dman like Hutson alive in the NHL. This is a case where you really need to project these kids at the NHL level and not look only at what they are doing against their peers. Hutson has a much higher hurdle to clear than Kasper.

Who is making the argument Hutson over Kasper? That’s silly. So is calling him a midget. He’s the same size as Brian Rafalski, who put up a ton of points in the NHL in a much harder era to play in as a small offensive D man.

 

[jaster]

Who is making the argument Hutson over Kasper? That’s silly. So is calling him a midget. He’s the same size as Brian Rafalski, who put up a ton of points in the NHL in a much harder era to play in as a small offensive D man.

At least one person on the previous page suggested Hutson would be taken before Kasper in a re-draft.

Calling him a midget is only silly if you're being literal about the label. He's in the 1st percentile in height amongst NHL defensemen, and while he'll add weight, he's also very slight, with Jared Spurgeon the closest comparable. The same Jared Spurgeon who is by far the smallest defenseman in the NHL.

And no, he's not the same size as Rafalski, not even close. He's an inch shorter and about 40 pounds lighter. Raf was a bulky short guy who had a good, low center of gravity. This kid has a frame that is very unlikely to come close to that weight.

 

[sepster]

Until an under-sized D-prospect actually makes the NHL and starts having an impact, they're barely worth talking about. The odds are so stacked against them, the ones that do make it are the exception, not the rule.

I will guess that Hutson will have just as a good a professional career as other under-sized defense prospects like Adam Almquist, Vili Saarijarvi, and Joe Hicketts.

 

[Shaman464]

At least one person on the previous page suggested Hutson would be taken before Kasper in a re-draft.

Calling him a midget is only silly if you're being literal about the label. He's in the 1st percentile in height amongst NHL defensemen, and while he'll add weight, he's also very slight, with Jared Spurgeon the closest comparable. The same Jared Spurgeon who is by far the smallest defenseman in the NHL.

And no, he's not the same size as Rafalski, not even close. He's an inch shorter and about 40 pounds lighter. Raf was a bulky short guy who had a good, low center of gravity. This kid has a frame that is very unlikely to come close to that weight.

Rafalski is 5’9” on a good day. He’s listed as 5’10”. He is a small dude. Pretending that he was hulking over another guy at 5’10” is a joke.

 

[jaster]

Rafalski is 5’9” on a good day. He’s listed as 5’10”. He is a small dude. Pretending that he was hulking over another guy at 5’10” is a joke.

Yeah, guys get listed as taller than they are. And Rafalski was listed as an inch taller, so he probably is. But even if they are the exact same height, it's still a poor comparable. Rafalski was nearly 200 lbs, maybe more. That makes a huge difference at the NHL level when you are defending your zone and battling with bigger forwards on the boards and in front of the net. No pretending necessary.

 

[Shaman464]

Yeah, guys get listed as taller than they are. And Rafalski was listed as an inch taller, so he probably is. But even if they are the exact same height, it's still a poor comparable. Rafalski was nearly 200 lbs, maybe more. That makes a huge difference at the NHL level when you are defending your zone and battling with bigger forwards on the boards and in front of the net. No pretending necessary.

Well especially in on the NHL website you can just assume they added an inch or two and 5% to the weight. Rafalski though is a good example. He went undrafted because of his size when he was 18. He put in the work in college and playing in Europe to build his skills and on his frame and broke into the NHL.

 

[jaster]

Well especially in on the NHL website you can just assume they added an inch or two and 5% to the weight. Rafalski though is a good example. He went undrafted because of his size when he was 18. He put in the work in college and playing in Europe to build his skills and on his frame and broke into the NHL.

I don't know, that makes him sound like even less of a comparable than I described lol.

They are both "small, offensive defensemen," but the comparison really ends there. And Rafalski is more the exception than the rule when it comes to small defensemen "making it." So regardless of how well we can cram that square peg in a round hole to make it a "good comparison," it doesn't change the reality that Hutson is a midget, and midgets have a hard time making the NHL, much less succeeding in it.

 

[izlez]

So we're talking about Hutson going top 10 in a re-draft in D+1, and the counter to that is a couple of guys that went undrafted or very late in the draft?

Everyone knew Hutson was talented. He fell in the draft because making it in the NHL at that size is a very difficult to overcome. That hasn't changed in 1 year. Krug and Rafalski and Spurgeon are not counterarguments to him going high in a re-draft.

 

[Shaman464]

So we're talking about Hutson going top 10 in a re-draft in D+1, and the counter to that is a couple of guys that went undrafted or very late in the draft?

Everyone knew Hutson was talented. He fell in the draft because making it in the NHL at that size is a very difficult to overcome. That hasn't changed in 1 year. Krug and Rafalski and Spurgeon are not counterarguments to him going high in a re-draft.

I don’t have him top 10. I’m arguing that size isn’t as much of a gatekeeper for offensive players.

 

[Realgud]

So we're talking about Hutson going top 10 in a re-draft in D+1, and the counter to that is a couple of guys that went undrafted or very late in the draft?

Everyone knew Hutson was talented. He fell in the draft because making it in the NHL at that size is a very difficult to overcome. That hasn't changed in 1 year. Krug and Rafalski and Spurgeon are not counterarguments to him going high in a re-draft.

Him going much higher in a re-draft has more to do with the fact that he is 5'10 now (grew from his 5'8).

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

times be a changing


of course not i’m not either. Nobody’s a sure thing until they get to the dance.

They aren't really though. You have drunk far too much of the size doesn't matter Kool Aid. Hutson will be an awesome college player but will never stick in the NHL. The NHL draft is for drafting players to play in the NHL, not the CHL or college.

 

[jaster]

I don’t have him top 10. I’m arguing that size isn’t as much of a gatekeeper for offensive players.

That has become more true for forwards, sure. Not so much for defensemen.