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Prospect Info: #8OA, Marco Kasper

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There's always been guys like Kopitar, just think of guys like Nieuwendyk or Keon. It's a time-honored type in the NHL, hell one could argue that Yzerman turned into that type toward the 2nd half of his career. I'd argue having that type of center is almost essential to be a multi-year contender/Cup winner (in addition to having a top 1D and some scoring power).
 
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haulinbass said:
I think this is a fair ruling of D1 college football. There is so much money there that it is just crazy that they don't have to pay those kids anything.

I think there would be a lot of issues if colleges had to start paying hockey players in the US. Yes, the big teams could certainly do it absolutely no problem. The other 88% of schools wouldn't be able to afford it. They do offer some nice venues to play at and the truth is 90% of the players aren't doing it to go pro, they are doing it for the scholarship along with the other pluses that come along with playing D1 hockey. You would just see a loss of many D1 hockey programs across the country. We definitly don't need that. We don't exactly have many thriving hockey leagues in this country so I wouldn't expect another league is going to come in and offer a better/more attractive league than the NCAA.

A scholarship, free housing, free cafeteria card isn't exactly nothing either. Most of these kids aren't good enough to play in any leagues that pay any more than that equals.

I have 2 friends that played football, even went to camp and preseason with NFL teams. They ended up getting their degrees on full rides and are now employed via their degrees making a solid living. I have had multiple friends play D1 hockey, 1 went on to play for Rangers AHL team and the other LA AHL team for a couple years. One ended in NCCA. 2 of those kids did well with the school part and one was always a rock head and didn't do shit for a degree. Just because some people aren't smart doesn't mean others aren't and can't get a degree while playing a sport.
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As far as NCAA goes, I wish they would allow CHL and others the chance to play. It would would make for a more competitive league compared to how it is now. I think most of the seniors who graduate MIGHT have a chance at some type of pro career but most retire after their senior year.

Knowing the hellebuycks my whole life, it was great to see Connor succeed at UMassLowell and obviously the NHL. He never got a chance at the junior level except when the owner of the Jackelopes(in the NAHL) seen literally just one of his High school games.

I also got to play with Reid Boucher(boo) Mike Szmatula, both of the DeBrincat brothers, Cameron Yarwood etc.

One DeBrincat played in the O, while the other played in the NCAA. Cam played in the Q for a bit. Mike played in the NCAA. obviously Reid played for USNTDP and in the O.

There are so many development paths for these prospects, that if I had ever gotten to that level, I couldn’t even tell you what I would have chosen.
 
42 jerks said:
Some of those comps were quite good. The one I think you missed and perhaps the closest for style and impact is 2018/19 and 2019/20 William Karlsson. A good skater who uses speed to be sound defensively. Contributes but isn't a huge power play scorer, while being dangerous on the PK. Stat line is something like 20g/36a.

Their size is almost identical:
Karlsson (6'1", 189 on Hockey-Reference.com)
Kasper (6'1", 187 on CapFriendly)
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Karlsson isn’t nearly as physical though. And his game has been trending down since his miracle 40 goal year.
 
OgeeOgelthorpe said:
Karlsson isn’t nearly as physical though. And his game has been trending down since his miracle 40 goal year.
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I specifically mentioned the two seasons after Karlsson shot 24%--Kasper is an exiting prospect, but those type of years are unicorns.

As far as physical, you used RoR as a high outcome and Hischier as mid-high. O'Reilly is usually near the bottom of his team in hits, but at the top in takeaways. There is physical as in separate the player from the puck then there is physical in separating the puck from the player. Karlsson when playing at his best is the latter. I think that is going to be more Kasper's game as well. I would say mid to high is Karlsson--Hischier--RoR (dare I even include Toews).
 
42 jerks said:
I specifically mentioned the two seasons after Karlsson shot 24%--Kasper is an exiting prospect, but those type of years are unicorns.

As far as physical, you used RoR as a high outcome and Hischier as mid-high. O'Reilly is usually near the bottom of his team in hits, but at the top in takeaways. There is physical as in separate the player from the puck then there is physical in separating the puck from the player. Karlsson when playing at his best is the latter. I think that is going to be more Kasper's game as well. I would say mid to high is Karlsson--Hischier--RoR (dare I even include Toews).
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Someone can correct me if I am way off on this, but I never thought that Karlsson made his living getting into the dirty and punishing areas. I think that's what Ogee is trying to debunk in comparing Kasper and Karlsson. Kasper willingly goes to those areas and seems to really enjoy the physical element that comes with it. Think about Seider (defensively) really loving to throw the body and get into it with forwards in front of the net. The personality of Kasper's game would have him be the forward in front of the net who is jamming away 2-3 times as the whistle blows, despite Seider breathing down his neck.
 
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I only know what I have read and seen in interviews. The first thing I tend to hear about commenters is about his motor and his drive to compete. The second thing I usually hear is hockey IQ and reads the ice. The third thing is usually that he's not afraid to go into traffic. Yzerman said personally that he doesn't really have one aspect to point to becuase he feels he is just good at everything. I'll go as far as to say reading Yzerman's body language I think he was conveying some subtext that he is not only acceptable in all areas but well above average even. He described him as well rounded. Drapper said they didn't think he would be available at 8 which means the wings likely had him higher on their own board.

These are only things people said but from other threads and posts the same reflections get kicked around. I feel like these are great characteristics for a prospect, you don't have to work on any single limitation but rather hone your tool box to adjust to the NHL level. I still have high hopes we have good chances on a solid 2C two-way scoring center.
 
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To me he seems to have tenacity like Bert, going into any area with zero f#@*s given.. Which seems good to me .
 
NickH8 said:
themalikreport.com

Roughly Translated: The Buffalo Sabres wanted Marco Kasper at 9th overall, but Detroit got their man with pick #8

A couple of days ago, the Kleine Zeitung in Austria posted a behind-the-paywall article discussing Red Wings 8th overall draft pick Marco Kasper and his relationship with his dad, Peter, who was a …
themalikreport.com themalikreport.com
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If this is true it would seem likely another team that had him higher on the board than 8. To me if they were willing to trade up one spot to take him he was likely higher than their 8th ranked or they wouldn't give up a resource to go for it, and same for wings not trading down. Have a strong feeling he is going to be moving up the redrafts over the next several seasons.
 
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Retire91 said:
If this is true it would seem likely another team that had him higher on the board than 8. To me if they were willing to trade up one spot to take him he was likely higher than their 8th ranked or they wouldn't give up a resource to go for it, and same for wings not trading down. Have a strong feeling he is going to be moving up the redrafts over the next several seasons.
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The report states that Detroit really wanted Kasper for themselves. I think it's less that the Sabres weren't willing to give up assets, just that Detroit knew they had their guy.
 
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OgeeOgelthorpe said:
The report states that Detroit really wanted Kasper for themselves. I think it's less that the Sabres weren't willing to give up assets, just that they knew they had their guy.
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Wait, what? The report suggests that Buffalo wanted to trade up, giving up assets, to get Kasper instead of Savoie.
 
jaster said:
Wait, what? The report suggests that Buffalo wanted to trade up, giving up assets, to get Kasper instead of Savoie.
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Yup. To Detroit. But Detroit said no. My apologies for not clarifying that. Too much multitasking today.
 
jaster said:
I read @Retire91's post as just saying that it wasn't only Detroit who wanted Kasper at 8 and above Savoie, that Bufflao had the same view. Just another notch in Kasper's belt.
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Yes lol, I am admittedly not the best wordsmith. Will be interesting to watch Kasper vs Savoie in the same way as Cossa vs Wallstedt.
 
Retire91 said:
Yes lol, I am admittedly not the best wordsmith. Will be interesting to watch Kasper vs Savoie in the same way as Cossa vs Wallstedt.
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With the way Buffalo is being built and their development record versus the way Detroit is being built and their development record under Yzerman I think it will be interesting.

Going way back to the late 90's/early 00's Buffalo was really good at developing scoring wingers and the way they are trending now it looks very much the same. And with their current team setup I think Savoie ends up playing next to Tage Thompson or Dylan Cozens as a winger.

Kasper will get the benefit of Detroit taking their time with him and also having Rogle's development program assisting him and Nik Kronwall and possibly even Henrik Zetterberg working with the kid.
 
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jaster said:
Your post was clear, Ogee just don't read so good :dunce:
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This is me today.
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