Post-Game Talk: #80 | Bruins at Flyers | April 9, 2023

[Garbage Goal]

Went to the game for my girlfriend's birthday (who is equal parts Boston and Philly fan). It was her and our step-daughter's 1st game. I haven't been in some years though, can't remember if I've been post Dave Scott or not.

Holy crap though, is the in-arena experience so much worse than before. The song choice was absolutely awful. It was hard rock, pump-up style stuff growing up then they shifted to teenage pop drivel and that game it felt like it might as well have been a Disney channel show soundtrack in between game time. I bought 3 tickets off of StubHub and they gave me 5 seats and when I went to get scanned in it showed me 3 seats, but the same seat twice so I had to go get that resolved while they went in. I did laugh though because some jabroni was there whining about not being able to get paper tickets then they gave me one reprinted one lol. The food selection is better and mobile app ordering is interesting. The in-arena mic guys felt lamer, the Gritty antics felt lazy and tired out, and the few intermission and jumbotron activities there were felt pretty lackadaisical.

By the way, when I went to get my ticket issue resolved the supervisor helped to figure it out and said "yeah, do it then definitely. The problem is there's too many tickets available". The arena was also 50/50 Boston-Philly fans too. I think I heard a Let's Go Boston chant as big as any Flyers one at one point.

 

[rkhum]

Just curious, what was the % of Bruins fans, and have the Penguins, Rangers, or Devils ever brought that amount?

 

[gto64dr]

Their only first stringers are Couturier and TK.

They were both expected back. Ellis kinda screwed us too. And you don't think that hurt us. Along with the idiot Fletcher we were lucky to be competitive. Lost a lot of games at the end and in OT.

 

[gto64dr]

Those stats look like laying down and dying.

Being in company with some of the worst teams in the league makes them look worse.

Motivation was going to be fixed by the magical Tortorella. What went wrong? How did he fail?

Can't believe the whining from everyone calling for the tank before. Now the whine when their doing it.

 

[Starat327]

Uh oh Beef, watch out.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Can't believe the whining from everyone calling for the tank before. Now the whine when their doing it.

lol you don't even know what you're reading. I'm not whining about them losing. I'm refuting the idea they're better than they are.

Try harder.

Edit: by the way, they aren't tanking. This season is their idea of competing, and we've seen how badly it's gone. Those people are all still running the show.

 

[deadhead]

A basic tenet about motivation: when a person is making seven figures and he has the world by the you-know-whats, motivation and drive should also be something internal. The drive should be the appreciation of the job at hand and the fact that he is earning a massive salary. It is easy to blame a coach in any sport but at this level sometimes personal responsibility needs to be addressed. And secondarily, the skillset may have eroded to the point where the player looks like he is disinterested.

Which is why the first thing Torts wants to do is "subtraction."

Get rid of the players who only show up when they feel like it, and those who can't show up when they want to.

One of the traps of team building are highly talented young players who are driven by external incentives rather than internal drive - as soon as they get that big paycheck, watch out. You have to identify the ones who are motivated by the joy of competing and who hate to lose - because they'll put in the work to get to the next level and push their teammates to do so.

 

[gto64dr]

lol you don't even know what you're reading. I'm not whining about them losing. I'm refuting the idea they're better than they are.

Try harder.

Edit: by the way, they aren't tanking. This season is their idea of competing, and we've seen how badly it's gone. Those people are all still running the show.

You can't have it all ways.

lol you don't even know what you're reading. I'm not whining about them losing. I'm refuting the idea they're better than they are.

Try harder.

Edit: by the way, they aren't tanking. This season is their idea of competing, and we've seen how badly it's gone. Those people are all still running the show.

You can't have it all ways. Tank, Don't Tank

lol you don't even know what you're reading. I'm not whining about them losing. I'm refuting the idea they're better than they are.

Try harder.

Edit: by the way, they aren't tanking. This season is their idea of competing, and we've seen how badly it's gone. Those people are all still running the show.

Your can't have it all ways. It's the coach, he's a dinosaur. The players are talentless.
We should tank, but not really. It's upper management. It's the GM. It's Provy, it's Risto. It's Holmgren, it's Hexy. Give it a rest. We had a lot of injuries, a known bad GM, and a new coach. New GM now, let's see how it plays out.

 

[Starat327]

Re re re remix

 

[Beef Invictus]

You can't have it all ways.

You can't have it all ways. Tank, Don't Tank

Your can't have it all ways. It's the coach, he's a dinosaur. The players are talentless.
We should tank, but not really. It's upper management. It's the GM. It's Provy, it's Risto. It's Holmgren, it's Hexy. Give it a rest. We had a lot of injuries, a known bad GM, and a new coach. New GM now, let's see how it plays out.

Are you unable to read or what. I even told you what the conversation was about, since you couldn't follow it. And you're still getting it wrong.

Your third try at a reply makes no sense. Have you not read anything I've posted? You're just making things up?

 

[gto64dr]

Are you unable to read or what. I even told you what the conversation was about, since you couldn't follow it. And you're still getting it wrong.

Your third try at a reply makes no sense. Have you not read anything I've posted? You're just making things up?

I never said they are better than they are. But I do see a lot of improvement. You should learn to admit that some of our problems were due to injuries of key players that were counted on. Fletcher was a disaster because of his inability to adjust his .personnel. But tanking is never the way to build a team. If you can't see the difference in the way the team is changing it's style of play under Torts it's because you just don't like him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I never said they are better than they are. But I do see a lot of improvement. You should learn to admit that some of our problems were due to injuries of key players that were counted on. Fletcher was a disaster because of his inability to adjust his .personnel. But tanking is never the way to build a team. If you can't see the difference in the way the team is changing it's style of play under Torts it's because you just don't like him.

Improvement? Where? They are the same as last year, except in the areas where they got worse.

I've certainly seen them embrace Tortorella hockey, which is loser hockey in 2023. The guy has no understanding of offense now. Consequently, he can't defend against it. He's all obsessed with sitting back to safely block shots and defend low while the rest of the league is learning to constantly cycle to rushes up the slots from up high, and he just gifts that whole region of the ice often unchallenged. That's bad. It's one of those things I feared about hiring him, and it's happening. He treats offense as defense at the other end. Push it all to the outside, take no risks. That's who he's always been. It's another thing I feared about hiring him, and it's happening. Other teams push hard towards high risk scoring areas, and Tortorella has them pushing out of those areas like cowards.

Damned right I don't like him. I've watched plenty of his past teams. He coaches shit hockey. He's a shit person. He's shit all around. And he and this organization are locked in a feedback loop where they reinforce all their own worst traits. That's not improvement.

 

[gto64dr]

Wow! You're blinded by hate. Offensively they showed improvement in spite of a complete lack of high end talent. Most of the close games they lost with poor goaltending (Sandstrom) and lack of scoring with a few exceptions We just don't have scorers. Torts record speaks for itself, he knows how to win. He needs management to get him some players that can put the puck in the net and stop the excessive passes.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

Wow! You're blinded by hate. Offensively they showed improvement in spite of a complete lack of high end talent. Most of the close games they lost with poor goaltending (Sandstrom) and lack of scoring with a few exceptions We just don't have scorers. Torts record speaks for itself, he knows how to win. He needs management to get him some players that can put the puck in the net and stop the excessive passes.

Torts is the guy purposely NOT playing youth that can score in exchange for old vets who cant..

next season will have even more meatsac grinders given how deep Torts is in Dannys ear already...

 

[Beef Invictus]

Wow! You're blinded by hate. Offensively they showed improvement in spite of a complete lack of high end talent. Most of the close games they lost with poor goaltending (Sandstrom) and lack of scoring with a few exceptions We just don't have scorers. Torts record speaks for itself, he knows how to win. He needs management to get him some players that can put the puck in the net and stop the excessive passes.

They didn't improve though. The results were as bad. I've explained why in detail.

Most of the games they lost, they were outplayed. Most of the games they won, they won thanks to Hart.

If he knows how to win, why has he not won shit in 20 years? He's already said he wants more grinders, not scorers.

Eh. You'll figure it out. You clearly don't know who he is.

 

[GKJ]

Wow! You're blinded by hate. Offensively they showed improvement in spite of a complete lack of high end talent. Most of the close games they lost with poor goaltending (Sandstrom) and lack of scoring with a few exceptions We just don't have scorers. Torts record speaks for itself, he knows how to win. He needs management to get him some players that can put the puck in the net and stop the excessive passes.

Yet, Torts is the one more open than anyone about subtracting from the roster and not adding

 

[Curufinwe]

Wow! You're blinded by hate. Offensively they showed improvement in spite of a complete lack of high end talent. Most of the close games they lost with poor goaltending (Sandstrom) and lack of scoring with a few exceptions We just don't have scorers. Torts record speaks for itself, he knows how to win. He needs management to get him some players that can put the puck in the net and stop the excessive passes.

TK had 31 goals in 60 games. Can you name some of these players management should get?

It's very funny to me that excessive passing is still being blamed for the Flyers lack of offense when they have had the worst PP in the league and the 31st best overall offense since getting rid of Voracek and his weak wrist shot. As it turns out, passing is actually very important when it comes to scoring goals.

 

[FlyerNutter]

I never said they are better than they are. But I do see a lot of improvement. You should learn to admit that some of our problems were due to injuries of key players that were counted on. Fletcher was a disaster because of his inability to adjust his .personnel. But tanking is never the way to build a team. If you can't see the difference in the way the team is changing it's style of play under Torts it's because you just don't like him.

 

[Beef Invictus]

TK had 31 goals in 60 games. Can you name some of these players management should get?

It's very funny to me that excessive passing is still being blamed for the Flyers lack of offense when they have had the worst PP in the league and the 31st best overall offense since getting rid of Voracek and his weak wrist shot. As it turns out, passing is actually very important when it comes to scoring goals.

They spent the Fletcher era steadily purging all passers from the roster and heavily denigrating the one playmaking prospect they have.

 

[Rebels57]

I never said they are better than they are. But I do see a lot of improvement. You should learn to admit that some of our problems were due to injuries of key players that were counted on. Fletcher was a disaster because of his inability to adjust his .personnel. But tanking is never the way to build a team. If you can't see the difference in the way the team is changing it's style of play under Torts it's because you just don't like him.

Tell that to the following Stanley Cup winners

2009 - Penguins
2010 - Blackhawks
2012 - Kings
2013 - Blackhawks
2014 - Kings
2015 - Blackhawks
2016 - Penguins
2017 - Penguins
2018 - Capitals
2020 - Lightning
2021 - Lightning
2022 - Avalanche

 

[gto64dr]

It may seem like it's the way but it's wrong in so mNy ways.

 

[gto64dr]

Torts is the guy purposely NOT playing youth that can score in exchange for old vets who cant..

next season will have even more meatsac grinders given how deep Torts is in Dannys ear already...

What are you talking about. This team was full of young guys until the Phatoms were making the playoffs.

 

[gto64dr]

Did anyone watch the Devils/Rangers game? A perfect example of players clamming up and refusing to shoot. Three PP in the first period without a shot. It's not because they can't shoot, it's a mentality of looking for the highlight goal. Most goals are accidental deflections or lack of goalie vision. Shooting and crowding the net. The Flyers have been living the pass mentality for years before Torts came. STOP looking for the pass first, especially into traffic.

 

[gto64dr]

They spent the Fletcher era steadily purging all passers from the roster and heavily denigrating the one playmaking prospect they have.

Voracek was more interested in skating in circles than taking advantage of a shot. He wasn't any different after he left us.

 

[freakydallas13]