Post-Game Talk: #79: Flyers at Red Wings, Wednesday, April 6, 2016

[The Rage Kage]

My ignore list has grown significantly after this game how anyone can blame Giroux for that loss is unbelievable.

 

[TheLegendkiller]

Was that game against the Detroit Obstructors? Like god damn.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

The amount of holding and interference that is being let go in games nowadays if ****ing staggering. Detroit may be the biggest perpetrator of that.

yeah pretty much everyone does it. the holding, the interference. you really cant blame the players. if the refs are not going to call basic holding and interference a half a dozen times a game or more then why not do it? Yeah it sucks watching that crap, but the players dont care about style points. they only want to do whatever it takes to win. Until the league makes it a point to clean it all up then players are going to continue to do it.
As far as this team goes, I really hope Hextall can find a way to infuse speed into this lineup. and FFS get Giroux a sniper. I dont think being tired should of been an excuse last night. they had 2 nights off.

 

[Striiker]

You have no concept of good/bad/elite or anything else that relates to judging a hockey players value. The players you like and the players you hate prove this.

We know you want a team full of 4th liners, but that doesn't work.

 

[hckyplayer8]

Aren't you the guy who was blasting Giroux last night?

There is an alarming amount of people on here that either lack critical reading skills or put specific players on a pedestal and can't handle a little bit of critisicm of said player.

Not too sure which one you fall into but my post specifically said Giroux is not the main issue.

That said, it is a FACT that the guy hasn't had a meaningful impact in big games this yr. Every single game that has a GDT filled with you all inquiring how it's a "must win" and "we need to show up" he has been invisible.

2nd Pitt game in Philly = Nope
3rd Pitt game in Pitt= Nope
Last Night= Nope

Three huge games where if you don't win, you'd like your star captain to stand out as a positive and I can't really think of one.

Giroux is great. Giroux is the best player on this team. But he gets paid and hyped like a big impact player and in recent yrs he just hasn't been when we need him to be.

How in the world is that blasting?

 

[hatcher]

You have no concept of good/bad/elite or anything else that relates to judging a hockey players value. The players you like and the players you hate prove this.

I love getlaf and Perry or Seguin and Benn and even Crosby and Malkin. G isn't even close to these guys except in points. G can't do things 1 on 1 to create for his wingers. he never makes nice plays except the odd time 5 on 5 and ghost and Sanheim or Provy won't help that either. These top players are weak and need help.

 

[hatcher]

There is an alarming amount of people on here that either lack critical reading skills or put specific players on a pedestal and can't handle a little bit of critisicm of said player.

Not too sure which one you fall into but my post specifically said Giroux is not the main issue.

That said, it is a FACT that the guy hasn't had a meaningful impact in big games this yr. Every single game that has a GDT filled with you all inquiring how it's a "must win" and "we need to show up" he's been invisible.

2nd Pitt game in Philly = Nope
3rd Pitt game in Pitt= Nope
Last Night= Nope

Three huge games where if you don't win, you'd like your star captain to stand out as a positive and I can't really think of one.

Giroux is great. Giroux is the best player on this team. But he gets paid and hyped like a big impact player and in recent yrs he just hasn't been when we need him to be.

How in the world is that blasting?

This all the way. he's ok but we need a top line elite in all aspects Center so he can go down a line.

 

[Teezax]

The ice condition seemed horrible last night, pucks were bouncing around like crazy. Not going to blame that for losing, just an observation. That being said, Voracek man.... where are you??? He has been frustrating me so much lately, never makes the easy pass and is set on holding onto the puck for too long and then forcing a play when he has no options causing a turnover.

Noticed a lot of flopping around too yesterday, especially with G. Love him to death, but he needs to tone down on the embellishment, it's bothersome.

 

[hatcher]

The ice condition seemed horrible last night, pucks were bouncing around like crazy. Not going to blame that for losing, just an observation. That being said, Voracek man.... where are you??? He has been frustrating me so much lately, never makes the easy pass and is set on holding onto the puck for too long and then forcing a play when he has no options causing a turnover.

Noticed a lot of flopping around too yesterday, especially with G. Love him to death, but he needs to tone down on the embellishment, it's bothersome.

On a pp and stopped playing. If there was a penalty it would have been called when they got the puck back but don't stop playing.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

there is no way Voracek is healthy. I am not buying it at all. I give him credit for sucking it up and gutting it out with what ever is ailing him but there is no way that man is healthy.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This all the way. he's ok but we need a top line elite in all aspects Center so he can go down a line.

Giroux IS literally exactly that.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Voracek is not playing well, no question, but the amount of blame being piled on him is pretty over the top. If this was a more complete team he wouldn't be squeezing the stick and the team could continue to function when he's in a rut.

People have some crazy expectations of top players sometimes. Giroux and Voracek might not be quite as good as Benn or Crosby or Ovechkin, but so what? They are still net positive players so piling on them is silly.

 

[klutch]

I love getlaf and Perry or Seguin and Benn and even Crosby and Malkin. G isn't even close to these guys except in points. G can't do things 1 on 1 to create for his wingers. he never makes nice plays except the odd time 5 on 5 and ghost and Sanheim or Provy won't help that either. These top players are weak and need help.

Funny you mention the guys that are elite that HAVE ELITE PLAYERS HELPING THEM. Schenn and Simmonds, while proven to be very good, are simply not at that level. Give Giroux anyone of those players named with him and he arguably leads the league in points.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Voracek is not playing well, no question, but the amount of blame being piled on him is pretty over the top. If this was a more complete team he wouldn't be squeezing the stick and the team could continue to function when he's in a rut.

People have some crazy expectations of top players sometimes. Giroux and Voracek might not be quite as good as Benn or Crosby or Ovechkin, but so what? They are still net positive players so piling on them is silly.

"Well, 3 players are better. GUY IS A FAILURE TRADE HIM HE SUCKS ARGHHH PHILADELPHIA."


This is why we can't have nice things. I don't know of any other fanbase with a stronger tendency to dump all over the players who aren't the problem at all.

 

[bennysflyers16]

I love getlaf and Perry or Seguin and Benn and even Crosby and Malkin. G isn't even close to these guys except in points. G can't do things 1 on 1 to create for his wingers. he never makes nice plays except the odd time 5 on 5 and ghost and Sanheim or Provy won't help that either. These top players are weak and need help.

Comical you compare G to guys that are all Pairs ? If G had another player if their caliber in the line up he would be even better. Sadly Jake currently is no where near any of those guys.

And that OT vs Jets was a massive moment in the race for playoffs as SO is close to loss of a point

 

[hckyplayer8]

I know. Why don't we add another thousand posts stating the obvious how Manning is over his head and should be returned to the AHL? Then we can give ourselves backrubs as we sit back in amazement of our superior hockey analysis compared to those that offer a different opinion.

 

[FlyerFaithful17]

Funny you mention the guys that are elite that HAVE ELITE PLAYERS HELPING THEM. Schenn and Simmonds, while proven to be very good, are simply not at that level. Give Giroux anyone of those players named with him and he arguably leads the league in points.

Yes! While I love Simmonds and Schenn, nobody is mistaking that for a top line in the NHL even with Giroux centering it. The only way we have a truly to flight line is for Voracek to return to form and play with Giroux.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I know. Why don't we add another thousand posts stating the obvious how Manning is over his head and should be returned to the AHL? Then we can give ourselves backrubs as we sit back in amazement of our superior hockey analysis compared to those that offer a different opinion.

At least that is a correct hockey analysis. Manning is indeed over his head. Giroux, however, is elite and the furthest thing from being a problem; he's our most important player, easily. I don't see why your flagrantly incorrect statements should be left to stand unaddressed, nor do I understand why you think they should be let be as if they are remotely credible or backed up by any sort of analysis of reality, be it the eye test or stats. Nor do I understand this martyr complex you have on display here.

You say "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux!" That's false. What it really is, is "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux baselessly with nothing to back up my assertions!" You seem to think the former is going on, when in reality it's the latter.

 

[Curufinwe]

I know. Why don't we add another thousand posts stating the obvious how Manning is over his head and should be returned to the AHL? Then we can give ourselves backrubs as we sit back in amazement of our superior hockey analysis compared to those that offer a different opinion.

You're the person posting about Manning in this thread.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=38118117

 

[Flyotes]

G is fine. He could use a stud to feed goals to. Look how Ghost was able to capitalize. Take some pressure off him having to carry so hard -- I'd wager he's a little worn down playing all aspects of every game. Another amazing center would help this team. Make a well rounded team and have strong 2nd and 3rd lines.

Lindros-Brindy was broken good. Imagine G-Center-Couts (and have both 2nd and 3rd lines able to provide offense).

 

[Striiker]

I love getlaf and Perry or Seguin and Benn and even Crosby and Malkin. G isn't even close to these guys except in points. G can't do things 1 on 1 to create for his wingers. he never makes nice plays except the odd time 5 on 5 and ghost and Sanheim or Provy won't help that either. These top players are weak and need help.

You clearly don't pay any attention when this team plays. Literally everything you said wildly inaccurate.

But at least you tried.

I know. Why don't we add another thousand posts stating the obvious how Manning is over his head and should be returned to the AHL? Then we can give ourselves backrubs as we sit back in amazement of our superior hockey analysis compared to those that offer a different opinion.

I'd rather see 1000 of those posts than one that says stuff as stupid as what you've posted in this thread.

And when the "different opinions" are as incorrect and ignorant as yours they deserve to be mocked.

 

[Rebels57]

At least that is a correct hockey analysis. Manning is indeed over his head. Giroux, however, is elite and the furthest thing from being a problem; he's our most important player, easily. I don't see why your flagrantly incorrect statements should be left to stand unaddressed, nor do I understand why you think they should be let be as if they are remotely credible or backed up by any sort of analysis of reality, be it the eye test or stats. Nor do I understand this martyr complex you have on display here.

You say "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux!" That's false. What it really is, is "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux baselessly with nothing to back up my assertions!" You seem to think the former is going on, when in reality it's the latter.

I second all of this, because there is no way to state it better.

 

[hckyplayer8]

At least that is a correct hockey analysis. Manning is indeed over his head. Giroux, however, is elite and the furthest thing from being a problem; he's our most important player, easily. I don't see why your flagrantly incorrect statements should be left to stand unaddressed, nor do I understand why you think they should be let be as if they are remotely credible or backed up by any sort of analysis of reality, be it the eye test or stats. Nor do I understand this martyr complex you have on display here.

You say "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux!" That's false. What it really is, is "Poor me! I can't criticize Giroux baselessly with nothing to back up my assertions!" You seem to think the former is going on, when in reality it's the latter.

We know you are good at posting vids of Giroux from the Richie/Carter era and posting vids of him performing GWG against scrub teams like Winnipeg.

Where is your counter to my actual argument that you gloss over and strawman your way through that post?

I already have examples of big games this yr he's failed to perform in.

How about the NY playoff series? Only two goals through the series (same as these other dubbed non 1st liners like Simmonds and Schenn) and one was a on a empty net.

Any other playoff clinching/playoff games before we fall back to 2012? No?

Interesting.

I'll even do you a solid and post your bottom line arguing point. The rest of the team is dragging him down.

If only we didn't have Simmonds (who is having his best yr to date) and Schenn (who is also having a very, very solid yr.

Yeah it's that damn bottom six. Guys sitting on the pine while Giroux is on the icing weighing him down.

 

[hckyplayer8]

You're the person posting about Manning in this thread.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/search.php?searchid=38118117

Broken link?

 

[hckyplayer8]

You clearly don't pay any attention when this team plays. Literally everything you said wildly inaccurate.

But at least you tried.



I'd rather see 1000 of those posts than one that says stuff as stupid as what you've posted in this thread.

And when the "different opinions" are as incorrect and ignorant as yours they deserve to be mocked.

Proof that they are incorrect? Recent pivotal playoff clinching/playoff games Giroux dominated the flow?