Prospect Info: #70 - Carter Mazur (LW)

newfy

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Jesus christ.
Tied for 5th on his team in scoring.
Brink, F, age 20 - 14-43-57 - 34th overall 2019
Savoie, F, 19 - 23-22-45 - 100th overall in 2019
Guttman, F, 22 - 19-26-45 - 180th overall in 2020
Stapley, F, 22 - 18-25-43 - 190th overall in 2018
Benning, D, 19 - 15-23-38 - 95th overall in 2020
Mazur, F, 19 - 14-24-38 - 70th overall in 2021
Rizzo, F, 20 - 12-24-36 - 216th overall in 2019
Wright, F, 23 - 23-11-34 - Undrafted
Behrens, D, 18 - 3-26-29 - 61st overall in 2021

So I guess all these guys are steals too.


Not an NHLer.
Why would I eat crow over someone who does not look like an NHLer.
Simon Robertson at 71 looks like an NHLer, for example.

Did you say he shouldnt be drafted at the time of the pick?

Do you think he should've been drafted now that he's played a season post draft and made the world junior team?

Those are a couple simple yes or no questions. Its also hilarious how you say those guys are steals too. I never said Mazur was a steal, I said he should have been drafted lol. I think all of those other players should have been drafted as well
 

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Did you say he shouldnt be drafted at the time of the pick?

Do you think he should've been drafted now that he's played a season post draft and made the world junior team?

Those are a couple simple yes or no questions. Its also hilarious how you say those guys are steals too. I never said Mazur was a steal, I said he should have been drafted lol. I think all of those other players should have been drafted as well

Everyone knows that a pick is a failure if they aren’t playing in the NHL. Except for the guys that MBH decided to believe was good based on not watching a single second of their play, but trusting whatever source he was really stroking the ego of in that year.
 

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You can really tell the people who made an effort to actually watch some Denver games this year....and its not like it was hard. Regardless of his age, it was still his first year playing against NCAA competition and he more than held his own. Between that, and the absolute glowing reviews the staff gives him, if you dont think he has a legit NHL future ahead of him then you should probably get your head examined.
 

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Jesus christ.
Tied for 5th on his team in scoring.
Brink, F, age 20 - 14-43-57 - 34th overall 2019
Savoie, F, 19 - 23-22-45 - 100th overall in 2019
Guttman, F, 22 - 19-26-45 - 180th overall in 2020
Stapley, F, 22 - 18-25-43 - 190th overall in 2018
Benning, D, 19 - 15-23-38 - 95th overall in 2020
Mazur, F, 19 - 14-24-38 - 70th overall in 2021
Rizzo, F, 20 - 12-24-36 - 216th overall in 2019
Wright, F, 23 - 23-11-34 - Undrafted
Behrens, D, 18 - 3-26-29 - 61st overall in 2021

So I guess all these guys are steals too.


Not an NHLer.
Why would I eat crow over someone who does not look like an NHLer.
Simon Robertson at 71 looks like an NHLer, for example.

This is such a lame post hoc argument to justify your initial frustration over this pick.

Let's actually go through this list and see who outscored Mazur this year. To start off, every single player who outscored him is older. Savoie and Benning are the only two that are from his draft class (counting 2020 as his draft class, not 2021 when we selected him as an overager).

Bobby Brink - junior winger taken #34th overall three years back. Widely considered to be a pretty good prospect, finished top three in Hobey Baker voting. As a 5'9 offensively-minded winger he pretty much lives and dies on how much offense he's generating, so I'm not surprised that he outscored Mazur. He's also a year older.

Carter Savoie - sophomore scoring winger. You can joke about all these guys being steals but Savoie might legitimately be one. If you could find a list of risers from the 2020 draft he would probably be on there, was a Hobey Baker nominee (albeit on a much longer list than Brink). Like Brink he's basically all offense. I've seen him listed at 5'10, seen him listed at 5'9. Probably considered a better prospect than Mazur, but I think NCAA fans would call it close. Mazur brings a lot more than Savoie does beyond production.

Cole Guttman - is literally older than Filip Zadina and Joe Veleno and still playing NCAA hockey, I don't know why I'm even typing this sentence honestly. He's a senior forward and captain of the team. He's a fine player, might get looks in the Lightning system, but no not a steal.

Brett Stapley - another senior forward older than Filip Zadina and Joe Veleno, another player who might get a look in camp, but no not a steal. Every good NCAA team has productive upperclassmen, no one reasonable uses that as a knock on the underclassmen's NHL upside.

Mike Benning - interesting player. Classic small productive NCAA defenseman question. Brings nice offense to the table but in my opinion probably not enough to justify his lack of size and strength. Decent flyer to take in the 4th round.

That's who outscored Mazur on the NCAA championship roster. Two legitimately good NHL forward prospects who are more or less glass cannons and two very old upperclassmen. He matched the team's highest scoring blueliner in points. And I feel like it's worth pointing out, he produced this playing a lot of the year on the third line. I linked a picture of Denver's standard lineup, you can see that Mazur was the only player not to lineup next to any of the four forwards who outscored him.

Most people would probably say - wow, our third round pick, who was drafted in large part for his forechecking, work rate, and two-way game, was the fifth highest scoring forward on the NCAA championship team? That sounds like good news. And everyone who actually watched the player would agree.

Instead of owning up to the fact that it was a bad take to write this player off on draft day, you continue to dig your heels in and talk down on a kid you pretty clearly don't even watch play with any frequency. He had a good year. I don't know why you're insistent on being frustrated that his good play clashes with your preconceived notion that he's a bad player instead of being honest and admitting that the Wings might have a solid prospect here.

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Instead of owning up to the fact that it was a bad take to write this player off on draft day, you continue to dig your heels in and talk down on a kid you pretty clearly don't even watch play with any frequency.

Imo, really bad take by you to believe that MBH ever took a single second out of his life to sit down and watch DU hockey.

I’m confident in saying that he has still not watched a single minute of Mazur’s play outside of the Wings 3 on 3 tournament that just happened.
 

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I don't watch tv (I read) & stream hockey, so I'm unfamiliar with most of their content. It's hilarious to ponder how these 5 got together. Or are they friends/family/co-workers? Were they in a Korean BBQ & all happened to be doing "their part" when they noticed the others doing so also? So many questions.






Back on Topic: If/when will he be ready? '25-'26 or '24-'25. I can see him on a Disturber Line L3 Mazur-Veleno+Soderblom for Gargantuan dimension X-factor. or '26-'27 James-Veleno-Mazur.
 
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I don't watch tv (I read) & stream hockey, so I'm unfamiliar with most of their content. It's hilarious to ponder how these 5 got together. Or are they friends/family/co-workers? Were they in a Korean BBQ & all happened to be doing "their part" when they noticed the others doing so also? So many questions.
I replied to this on the "And yet again...the Off-Topic Thread"
 

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Childhood dream becomes reality for Red Wings prospect Carter Mazur​


Detroit's 70th overall pick in 2021 NHL Entry Draft thrilled to participate in development camp for favorite childhood team​





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good gosh this makes me feel old haha
 

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Imo, really bad take by you to believe that MBH ever took a single second out of his life to sit down and watch DU hockey.

I’m confident in saying that he has still not watched a single minute of Mazur’s play outside of the Wings 3 on 3 tournament that just happened.
I don't think he watches any hockey unless it involves a ball. He only reads about ice hockey.
 

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Hey all, lost access to my original account but just wanted to drop in and eat crow on this topic. Mazur looks great and I look like an idiot from earlier in this thread.

Yzerman is building something special. Go Wings!

-HatteroftheBeach / Sir 21 savage
 
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Hey all, lost access to my original account but just wanted to drop in and eat crow on this topic. Mazur looks great and I look like an idiot from earlier in this thread.

Yzerman is building something special. Go Wings!

-HatteroftheBeach / Sir 21 savage
Let’s hold the applause until he actually plays some NHL games.
 
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This kids got mucho heart, I love it.

Overshadowed by the Red Wings / I have a dream / NHL & the imagery from a child's imagination coming to fruition is this: "give $ to the poor and hospitals." - that's very noble/philanthropic, certainly high character. Doesn't surprise me considering the way he was raiesd (properly). SY loves his high character players.
Hopefully he sports #17 (as pictured) in 3 seasons once we uprgade Hronek.
 

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You mean like a lot of people judged him right after he was picked?
It doesn't matter how well he's developed or performed since he was drafted. The fact is, some posters called him a garbage pick on draft day, so until he literally arrives in the NHL and proves himself useful at that level, HE MUST REMAIN A GARBAGE PICK, NOTHING HE DOES MATTERS.
 

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When I first heard about this pick I was also not in favor, it seemed like a reach. Super glad its working out. Looking like a lot of people overreacted.
 

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When I first heard about this pick I was also not in favor, it seemed like a reach. Super glad its working out. Looking like a lot of people overreacted.
Isn't every player picked beyond the 1st round a reach, statistically? I'm not saying this to shit on your comment, I'm just perplexed as to why some people tie themselves in a knot about draft picks that are beyond #50. Yeah there was Datsyuk, Z, Keith, Subban, etc....no one was beating the drum to pick those unicorns at the time. The NFL is the only league a team should expect to get a regular player out of the 3rd round.
 
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Did you say he shouldnt be drafted at the time of the pick?

Do you think he should've been drafted now that he's played a season post draft and made the world junior team?

Those are a couple simple yes or no questions. Its also hilarious how you say those guys are steals too. I never said Mazur was a steal, I said he should have been drafted lol. I think all of those other players should have been drafted as well
You’re talking to someone who still says the Raymond pick was an ‘awful pick’.

It doesn't matter how well he's developed or performed since he was drafted. The fact is, some posters called him a garbage pick on draft day, so until he literally arrives in the NHL and proves himself useful at that level, HE MUST REMAIN A GARBAGE PICK, NOTHING HE DOES MATTERS.
If 1 person after him becomes better then this pick will still suck because it wasn’t them.
 

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In fairness, Raymond didn't score 80 goals last season so he's a bust.

It’s pretty sad to see how bad Raymond is. Yzerman had to sign more and higher quality players because Raymond himself couldn’t win the Stanley Cup as a roster of 1.
 
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Isn't every player picked beyond the 1st round a reach, statistically? I'm not saying this to shit on your comment, I'm just perplexed as to why some people tie themselves in a knot about draft picks that are beyond #50. Yeah there was Datsyuk, Z, Keith, Subban, etc....no one was beating the drum to pick those unicorns at the time. The NFL is the only league a team should expect to get a regular player out of the 3rd round.
Yup, anything after round 2 you are more likely to be right by calling every pick a bust, lol,.
 

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Isn't every player picked beyond the 1st round a reach, statistically? I'm not saying this to shit on your comment, I'm just perplexed as to why some people tie themselves in a knot about draft picks that are beyond #50. Yeah there was Datsyuk, Z, Keith, Subban, etc....no one was beating the drum to pick those unicorns at the time. The NFL is the only league a team should expect to get a regular player out of the 3rd round.

All of the above, I just think with the wealth of information we have access to now the rankings tend to go pretty deep and you can still technically draft off the board even in the 3rd round (in people's mind). Lot's of arm chair GM's more so than any other time in the game.
 
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