Prospect Info: #70 - Carter Mazur (LW)

[DoMakc]

I mean if we dunk on people doubting a pick on draft day, we should also be critical of the professional scouts who had Mazur barely ranked. Hindsight is 20/20

No, we should dunk on people for treating Black Book as a bilbe and pronmans of the world as prophets. All these "scouts" are just infotainment of a better or worse quality.

 

[SCD]

Too much of prospect ranking is based on offensive production, rather than long term potential. Has the player physically matured, or does he have the potential to grow a few more inches. That often really determines ceiling. Very few internet scouts take into consideration the intangibles such as work ethic and drive. These intangibles are crucial to make Yzerman and Draper's list.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

lol love reading the beginning of this thread ... so many negative nancy's in here

I’m happily eating crow on this pick. Mazur looks like a gamer.

 

[Frk It]

I mean if we dunk on people doubting a pick on draft day, we should also be critical of the professional scouts who had Mazur barely ranked. Hindsight is 20/20

Every year kids get drafted that fit this criteria. Wouldn’t kill people to have an open mind and let things play out before they call something the worst thing ever.

Like we’ve been around long enough to see this happen. Remember Tyler bertuzzi and where he was ranked vs where we picked him? Worked out, right?

 

[newfy]

Every year kids get drafted that fit this criteria. Wouldn’t kill people to have an open mind and let things play out before they call something the worst thing ever.

Like we’ve been around long enough to see this happen. Remember Tyler bertuzzi and where he was ranked vs where we picked him? Worked out, right?

You can say it a million times but the same people arent gonig to listen. Mazur might not even become an NHLer, but you can tell just from how he played that he wasnt a bad pick.

Everyone just thought Yzerman wasletting Draper draft friends instead of hockey players which was the most pathetic train of thought ever

 

[MBH]

You can say it a million times but the same people arent gonig to listen. Mazur might not even become an NHLer, but you can tell just from how he played that he wasnt a bad pick.

Everyone just thought Yzerman wasletting Draper draft friends instead of hockey players which was the most pathetic train of thought ever

Mazur sucks.
Won't make the NHL.
Bad pick.
Had nothing to with Yzerman and everything to do with Draper.

 

[Nut Upstrom]

lol love reading the beginning of this thread ... so many negative nancy's in here

Maybe we should hide this thread from Henkka, this pick really seemed to push him to the edge.

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

Mazur sucks.
Won't make the NHL.
Bad pick.
Had nothing to with Yzerman and everything to do with Draper.

Objectively doesn't suck.
On a reasonable track to make the NHL, tough to say anything for certain this early.
Would almost certainly rise in a redraft.
No real way for fans to ascertain what level of input Yzerman had on this pick.

 

[Shaman464]

People on here are jumping the gun on demanding people eat crow on Muzar. He has a decent year, but he played on an offensive powerhouse team. He wasn’t quite a passenger on his line, but he wasn’t the driver of offense on Denver.

 

[Henkka]

Maybe we should hide this thread from Henkka, this pick really seemed to push him to the edge.

Don't have to. This pick has turned around extremely well a long time ago. Love it and it gives some respect for Draper's work.

 

[newfy]

People on here are jumping the gun on demanding people eat crow on Muzar. He has a decent year, but he played on an offensive powerhouse team. He wasn’t quite a passenger on his line, but he wasn’t the driver of offense on Denver.

No theyre not.

There were morons on here claiming he shouldnt have even been drafted, coulda been had as an UDFA and was only drafted because his family is friends with Drapers.

He then went out, made the US world junior team, and had a season where it was blatantly obvious he deserved to be drafted. Eat some crow

 

[bearball]

Regardless of where he may eventually end up, what we can see is that we have a young player who has vastly outperformed expectations and seems to be in the habit of proving people wrong. Attitude is more than half the battle for development, you have to actively want to get better and it seems this kid has that in abundance. NHL or otherwise, he seems the kind that will have a pro career in some shape or form.

 

[Gniwder]

No theyre not.

There were morons on here claiming he shouldnt have even been drafted, coulda been had as an UDFA and was only drafted because his family is friends with Drapers.

He then went out, made the US world junior team, and had a season where it was blatantly obvious he deserved to be drafted. Eat some crow

He was an overage 1PPG player in the USHL when drafted. That usually puts a prospect in the later rounds, I don't think anyone said he shouldn't be drafted. Anything past the 2nd round is a crapshoot, but chances are he would've been available in the 4th. We'll never know though.

I had Raty and Chayka above Buium. Rezmeirski is a damn good defensive scout, but I still question THAT pick. The last draft felt like they had a severe case of FOMO, traded up and/or reached for every pick.

As for Carter, I'll wait until the prospect tournament to judge.

 

[Henkka]

He was an overage 1PPG player in the USHL when drafted. That usually puts a prospect in the later rounds, I don't think anyone said he shouldn't be drafted. Anything past the 2nd round is a crapshoot, but chances are he would've been available in the 4th. We'll never know though.

When I compared those DY+1 USHL and DY+2 NCAA seasons afterwards, Mazur is right there with other Top6 players drafted from both leagues.

Corona-years were tricky to draft, less data, so they proably went more heavy with eye-test and it seemed to be right move.

When I saw Mazur first time at US junior National team, it was just damn obvious. We got this thing right.

Also, I could think our scoutig staff has some heavy weight on the place were the playing is going.

It just can't be coincidence, that Tuomisto, Mazur and Buium all were going to Denver (after draft). They like the developing program. Or how our swedes are going to Rögle or Frölunda. Or sending Seider there. They seem to like certain places, where the player is going, not neccessarily where are they from. Like formerly Mastrosimone and Phillips, they both were heading to same university of Boston.

 

[Gniwder]

When I compared those DY+1 USHL and DY+2 NCAA seasons afterwards, Mazur is right there with other Top6 players drafted from both leagues.

Corona-years were tricky to draft, less data, so they proably went more heavy with eye-test and it seemed to be right move.

When I saw Mazur first time at US junior National team, it was just damn obvious. We got this thing right.

Also, I could think our scoutig staff has some heavy weight on the place were the playing is going.

It just can't be coincidence, that Tuomisto, Mazur and Buium all were going to Denver (after draft). They like the developing program. Or how our swedes are going to Rögle or Frölunda. Or sending Seider there. They seem to like certain places, where the player is going, not neccessarily where are they from. Like formerly Mastrosimone and Phillips, they both were heading to same university of Boston.

I can't speak for the SHL, but the top US players are going to head for the top colleges, which include Denver, Minn St, and Michigan. Boston has fallen off a bit.

BTW, plenty of 1 PPG college hockey players have failed to make a career in the NHL, While his stats are encouraging, it doesn't guarantee anything yet. (Obviously it;s better to have good stats than bad.)

 

[newfy]

Kris Draper should get fired.

Or all that joke NA drafting department.

What a joke of pick.

Almost 1,5 year overager.

Local kid to hype Little Caesars hockey program or something.

Every year Yzerman lets Draper make one pick to say thanks for centering the checking line for 10 years.

Man if there is one thing Kris Draper is good at it is wasting middle round draft picks on players I can 100% say will not make the nhl based solely off of looking at their hockeydb

Aucoin, Hannas, and now this. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills. I get when picks don’t work out, very few do, but sometimes the upside is just not there. There is a difference in missing on a Pulkinen/Nybeck/Raty type pick and making these, Zach Gallanf and Louis Aubry picks.

8? it’s only been a couple years since Draper has been in the role, and already it looks like ZERO of his picks will ever see even any AHL action, let alone NHL.

Not at all, another Draper wasted pick.

Draper is the first to blame. As a fan, I am getting tired of seeing middle/late round players get drafted almost solely because they have a personal relationship with Draper. Its worse than Avila, because he at least used the 1020th overall in the 32nd round to draft his kid (who became an everyday MLB player).

He was an overage 1PPG player in the USHL when drafted. That usually puts a prospect in the later rounds, I don't think anyone said he shouldn't be drafted. Anything past the 2nd round is a crapshoot, but chances are he would've been available in the 4th. We'll never know though.

I had Raty and Chayka above Buium. Rezmeirski is a damn good defensive scout, but I still question THAT pick. The last draft felt like they had a severe case of FOMO, traded up and/or reached for every pick.

As for Carter, I'll wait until the prospect tournament to judge.

Those are the ones that I could find quick calling it a waste of a pick basically, it doesnt even get into the people that were just calling it a massive reach.

Just for him to turn around a month later and make team USA for the WJC and have a really good season. IF anything this year he outplayed his draft position. USA wanted him right after the draft, but you can confidently say he would be available a round later? You have no idea... what we do know if hes played really, really well post draft and has at the very least shown he was absolutely worth his draft position.

Trying to spin it like people were ridiculously negative at the time is a huge cop out

 

[Shaman464]

Those are the ones that I could find quick calling it a waste of a pick basically, it doesnt even get into the people that were just calling it a massive reach.

Just for him to turn around a month later and make team USA for the WJC and have a really good season. IF anything this year he outplayed his draft position. USA wanted him right after the draft, but you can confidently say he would be available a round later? You have no idea... what we do know if hes played really, really well post draft and has at the very least shown he was absolutely worth his draft position.

Trying to spin it like people were ridiculously negative at the time is a huge cop out

Still a wasted pick until proven otherwise, Denver had two of the top scoring lines in the NCAA. He has not shown he's anything but a passenger in a B league.

 

[Ghost of Ethan Hunt]

He was an overage 1PPG player in the USHL when drafted. That usually puts a prospect in the later rounds, I don't think anyone said he shouldn't be drafted. Anything past the 2nd round is a crapshoot, but chances are he would've been available in the 4th. We'll never know though.

I had Raty and Chayka above Buium. Rezmeirski is a damn good defensive scout, but I still question THAT pick. The last draft felt like they had a severe case of FOMO, traded up and/or reached for every pick.

As for Carter, I'll wait until the prospect tournament to judge.

Rez has the track record sure, but at the time we were 2yrs from Larks being a UFA. We really needed C prospects & do even more so now. Raty would've been the right move. (based on our fan base knowledge)

4.5 months of Leddy vs. Raty. We could've found a #4/#5a elsewhere, that was slight panic by SY & def. overpay considering Isles cap/exp.slots at the time.

Loophole Lou 1, Yzerman 0

 

[TheOctopusKid]

Still a wasted pick until proven otherwise, Denver had two of the top scoring lines in the NCAA. He has not shown he's anything but a passenger in a B league.

Do we know the success rate, albeit by some arbitrary metric, of middle round picks having an impact in the NHL?

Like what's the expectation here for a third round pick? And not the "Adam Fox was a 3rd Rd Pick! Rarar robble! Robble!" - that was 1 guy like 5 years ago, out of what...150 picks?

What is a realistic expectation here for 3rd Rd picks?

 

[Frk It]

I had Raty and Chayka above Buium. Rezmeirski is a damn good defensive scout, but I still question THAT pick. The last draft felt like they had a severe case of FOMO, traded up and/or reached for every pick.

Buium just had a better year than Chayka. Poised to have a really nice season next year. Don't know why people don't like him more on our board. He had a better +1 season than Wallinder did.

 

[lhsgolf19]

People just can't get over the fact that Mazur is actually really good... Just take your L and move on lol

 

[Ed Ned and Leddy]

All the posters on this board who I trust to watch NCAA hockey on a semi-regular basis are at least cautiously optimistic about Mazur's season. It's a long, tough road to the NHL but I don't think anyone who was watching Denver's title run could call Carter Mazur a passenger on that team.

A good chunk of the board's disdain for NCAA hockey is strange to me considering its developmental track record.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Do we know the success rate, albeit by some arbitrary metric, of middle round picks having an impact in the NHL?

Like what's the expectation here for a third round pick? And not the "Adam Fox was a 3rd Rd Pick! Rarar robble! Robble!" - that was 1 guy like 5 years ago, out of what...150 picks?

What is a realistic expectation here for 3rd Rd picks?

Probably about 20-25% they play 100+ games in the NHL. Way less to be an impact player.

 

[Hen Kolland]

All the posters on this board who I trust to watch NCAA hockey on a semi-regular basis are at least cautiously optimistic about Mazur's season. It's a long, tough road to the NHL but I don't think anyone who was watching Denver's title run could call Carter Mazur a passenger on that team.

A good chunk of the board's disdain for NCAA hockey is strange to me considering its developmental track record.

At this point, it appears to be one guy who just feels the need to be prickly. Incessant need to be negative about things that other people are excited about. Hide behind the guise of being "realistic".

 

[TCNorthstars]

Still a wasted pick until proven otherwise, Denver had two of the top scoring lines in the NCAA. He has not shown he's anything but a passenger in a B league.

Weird logic. I guess that means that Cossa and Evidsson are wasted picks until proven otherwise.