Post-Game Talk: #7 - 01/28/21 | RANGERS @ sabres

[Levitate]

Yeah Hedman jumped in right after being drafted and it definitely took him awhile to become the player he is now. With McDonagh keep in mind he had more vets ahead of him in the lineup than Miller did...he might have gotten more of a look right outta camp if Rozsival wasn't around.

 

[Mac n Gs]

I think he might just have a bit of a complex about his English. My dad is like that, for a 64 year old man that moved to this country in his 30s, he speaks decently. But he's sure his English sucks. Also, the interpreters suck. Yesterday's interview with Igor was a clown show. There's more of a chance what he says gets misinterpreted through that interpreter.

Hasn't Bobrov been their main interpreter this year? I remember one of Buch or Panarin switching from English to Russian maybe after the second Isles game or the Jersey game

 

[Kovalev27]

I’ll say this again. There is no road that leads to Buchnevich being here long term. You cannot afford it. Just can’t.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Hasn't Bobrov been their main interpreter this year? I remember one of Buch or Panarin switching from English to Russian maybe after the second Isles game or the Jersey game

Maybe, and that would explain it because he's not an interpreter.

 

[Fitzy]

I’ll say this again. There is no road that leads to Buchnevich being here long term. You cannot afford it. Just can’t.

What do you think he'd get on a long term extension?

Seems to me we made the decision when we signed Kreider, and it may well have been the wrong one.

 

[cwede]

I guess Gordie Howe's longevity is not that special after all

 

[JT Kreider]

What do you think he'd get on a long term extension?

Seems to me we made the decision when we signed Kreider, and it may well have been the wrong one.

Incredibly disappointing lack of long term thinking by Gorton. Its almost like he saw what Miller was doing once he traded him away for nothing and was terrified of Kreider doing the same.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

I’ll say this again. There is no road that leads to Buchnevich being here long term. You cannot afford it. Just can’t.

There is. It's a matter of if the Rangers want to or not.

 

[cwede]

I’ll say this again. There is no road that leads to Buchnevich being here long term. You cannot afford it. Just can’t.

this is a speculation thread, so speculate away
but too much changes over time,
I won't be kissing Buch goodbye until it happens...

... and please don't ask me to show you how it could work,
as I said, too much changes over time, for me to care to undertake future-looking Cap analysis

 

[True Blue]

Someone said earlier they think Kakko is moved for Eichel.

Yes, but I stated several times that Kakko is not being moved.

 

[Sisu4ever]

You always see him talking and laughing with his teammates, a lot of people say Panarin’s English is much better than he lets on. He was talking in Lafreniere’s ear after the game when they were standing around on the ice last night, and in another game he was as well. I don’t get why he pretends to not speak English, I’ve seen people say it’s so he doesn’t get taken out of context during interviews

We Finns can actually speak quite decent English, but we are afraid to do it in public since it would be riddled with errors. But privately, with someone we know, we are comfortable speaking it.
I bet the same applies to our Russian neighbors. Too much pride .

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

Lafreniere is a beast. A manchild. He looks like he's twenty-seven-years-old. Quinn seemed pretty excited in his post game presser. When's the last time somebody gushed that the best thing he liked about a guy was that "he has balls"? Gotta like that Ranger fans. This man is only going to get better.

 

[duhmetreE]

Signing Kreider was the right decision at the time.

You cannot predict Lafreniere and a flat cap.

 

[mas0764]

Signing Kreider was the right decision at the time.

You cannot predict Lafreniere and a flat cap.

You can’t predict a flat cap; but you can predict getting another top talent who will chip away at Kreider’s importance. If we didn’t get Kakko we would have gotten Zegras; if we didn’t get Lafreniere we would have gotten Lundell.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Signing Kreider was the right decision at the time.

You cannot predict Lafreniere and a flat cap.

Signing him was fine...for the length he signed for wasn't then and it will never be. We basically paid him for what he did, not what he will do.

 

[kovazub94]

I’ll say this again. There is no road that leads to Buchnevich being here long term. You cannot afford it. Just can’t.

this is a speculation thread, so speculate away
but too much changes over time,
I won't be kissing Buch goodbye until it happens...

... and please don't ask me to show you how it could work,
as I said, too much changes over time, for me to care to undertake future-looking Cap analysis

I agree. Maybe it’s ok to move 40s-50s point weakly and inconsistent winger but it’s different story when it comes to this Buch. Just like TBL - sign players that make a difference and figure out the cap as you go along.

 

[Tob]

that win really takes the wind out of my sails to complain about Quinn. Quiet non game day for me.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

BTW, while the topic includes Buffalo, how great was that goalie? Linus Ullmark. He lost his dad last week and he played in the zone. I'd be happy to have that guy on my team.

 

[Fitzy]

Signing Kreider was the right decision at the time.

You cannot predict Lafreniere and a flat cap.

I feel like it's really really early to make that call.

Most of the discussion was a debate over how Kreider ages. A player that does what he does (Plus the net front intangible that doesnt impact metrics much) is certainly worth right around 6.75-7 million a year.

The question is- will Kreider still be that player in 4 years, in 7? How much of that contract are we getting a good value out of?

The other question is- as Lafreniere likely becomes a star and Panarin likely continues to be one, how important of a role is Kreider actually going to get to play? In big games Panarin plays 23 minutes. You have to imagine if Lafreniere becomes anywhere near as good as Panarin he'll be looking at a similar number. What's Kreider going to end up playing?

Positive asterisk though- Kreider has never been a 20 minute a game player. He averages between 14.5 and 17.5 minutes a game for most of his major seasons. So maybe he IS the kind of guy who will be just as effective coming on the ice fresh and playing third line minutes, provided he stays on the PP and PK. I'm open to being optimistic.

If Kreider averages 45-50 points over his contract a year I won't complain when all is said and done. I still wonder if we knew what we knew now, though, if I wouldn't pick Buchnevich for the extension.

The other potential positive is it would be nice, for a change for NYR to draft a player and have them play WELL here their whole career. Maybe Chris can be that guy, hit 300 NYR goals and all that. He and Panarin are gonna be the grizzled veterans when we are playing deep into the playoffs so his experience is helpful too.

 

[TominNC]

His energy is great. He does handle the puck like a grenade sometimes and like howden is not great at accepting passes not on the tape. He should not be playing with top players because those lack of skills will destroy scoring chances. This is the area where Fast was so much better than both of these guys.

Not really, Fast had few skills with the puck other than digging it out of a corner. How many times did Artemi set him up only to see him miss the net completely.

 

[duhmetreE]

I feel like it's really really early to make that call.

Most of the discussion was a debate over how Kreider ages. A player that does what he does (Plus the net front intangible that doesnt impact metrics much) is certainly worth right around 6.75-7 million a year.

The question is- will Kreider still be that player in 4 years, in 7? How much of that contract are we getting a good value out of?

The other question is- as Lafreniere likely becomes a star and Panarin likely continues to be one, how important of a role is Kreider actually going to get to play? In big games Panarin plays 23 minutes. You have to imagine if Lafreniere becomes anywhere near as good as Panarin he'll be looking at a similar number. What's Kreider going to end up playing?

Positive asterisk though- Kreider has never been a 20 minute a game player. He averages between 14.5 and 17.5 minutes a game for most of his major seasons. So maybe he IS the kind of guy who will be just as effective coming on the ice fresh and playing third line minutes, provided he stays on the PP and PK. I'm open to being optimistic.

If Kreider averages 45-50 points over his contract a year I won't complain when all is said and done. I still wonder if we knew what we knew now, though, if I wouldn't pick Buchnevich for the extension.

The other potential positive is it would be nice, for a change for NYR to draft a player and have them play WELL here their whole career. Maybe Chris can be that guy, hit 300 NYR goals and all that. He and Panarin are gonna be the grizzled veterans when we are playing deep into the playoffs so his experience is helpful too.

I think he needs to play his role.

Be a nightmare matchup for an opposing teams 3rd pair. Net front presence on PP1. would like to see him on the PK; he started the year I do not know why they took him off? I like his speed to pressure. Continue bringing the kids with you to Prentiss. When he's on, he's unstoppable. IF/When we make the playoffs, I'd look to him to elevate his game.

The way Gorton structured his deal, It gives us some breathing room if we need to move him in 2024, for cap purposes.

 

[Fitzy]

I think he needs to play his role.

Be a nightmare matchup for an opposing teams 3rd pair. Net front presence on PP1. would like to see him on the PK; he started the year I do not know why they took him off? I like his speed to pressure. Continue bringing the kids with you to Prentiss. When he's on, he's unstoppable. IF/When we make the playoffs, I'd look to him to elevate his game.

The way Gorton structured his deal, It gives us some breathing room if we need to move him in 2024, for cap purposes.

Right, both he and trouba shift to a NTC in 2024 per spotrac, didn't see that before.

 

[aufheben]

I go back to McDonagh's first taste of the NHL when he was a year older than Miller is now and had half a year in Hartford to acclimate. McD was nowhere near the level we're seeing from Miller. It's difficult to contain the excitement about our new LD.

I dont even remember Hedman being this good. Maybe I'm misremembering..

Hedman really broke out in his 4th or 5th season. I remember having debates with Lightning fans, on how McDonagh was currently better than Hedman

Errr...come on guys lol. Hedman is an elite guy.

K’Andre has looked great so far. But @Edge has warned us probably a hundred times by now that this kid could be an extremely up/down player for several years before settling, so I’d be very cautious about thinking it’s all up, up, and away from here on out.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Just be happy K'andre is playing well now, do we really have to be comparing him to one of the best in the league?

 

[jay from jersey]

You can’t predict a flat cap; but you can predict getting another top talent who will chip away at Kreider’s importance. If we didn’t get Kakko we would have gotten Zegras; if we didn’t get Lafreniere we would have gotten Lundell.

Also remember at the time Kreids was signed things with Andersson went sour and things with Kravtsov were going sideways