Prospect Info: 6th Overall Pick Moritz Seider, Defence, DEL

[Frk It]

Craig doesn't believe in his offense so the comparison makes sense from that standpoint. I loved Carlo in his draft year and still am a big fan, but Seider has more upside while not being as physical.

People can laugh at this pick. I see a floor of a second pairing shutdown dman with top pairing ceiling. We went for the homerun no qualms with that. Preferred Broberg but the same logic applied here.

I am hoping he is like a young/raw Pieterangelo. But I haven’t really seen him enough to say what he is or isn’t.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I am hoping he is like a young/raw Pieterangelo. But I haven’t really seen him enough to say what he is or isn’t.

You liked Dobson a lot. I like him a touch more than Seider, but that is his closest package comparison from a recent draft and you named the NHL guy if we hit a home run and he develops right in my opinion.

 

[KJoe88]

That’s not what Yzerman said

Yzerman essentially said in an interview last night that they don’t know where he’s going to be next season at this moment. They’re going to wait and see what happens after camp - He’s going to play wherever is best for his development path.

Just to clarify

 

[The Zermanator]

Maybe I'm parsing words too much, but I don't see this pick as being way off board. Seider was a solid first round pick according to consensus. He was the 6th ranked European skater in the final rankings, and some talent evaluators had him pegged as the second best D prospect in the draft behind Byram.

Yzerman could probably have traded down a bit and still gotten him, but it is not like this was a second round or later player that we way overreached for. I'd say we went a little off board, nothing worse. In a perfect world, Yzerman would have traded down into the 10-15 range and grabbed Seider more where his stock had him. Apparently there wasn't a worthwhile deal, though. I read that Yzerman did attempt to move down.

What I will say is this feels, at least to me, very much like a need pick rather than a value one / BPA strategy. Maybe in Yzerman's eyes Seider was a top 5 talent in this draft and he was the BPA. I'm skeptical of that idea. I kind of think the fact that our pool of young forwards is deeper than our pool of D prospects played a much bigger part than Yzerman let on. I had pretty much concluded in my mind prior to the draft lottery that if we didn't get first or second overall then we'd probably be better off going D, because while the forward prospects were considered solid none of them are guaranteed difference makers. So, if we are going to have to settle then we may as well go for the option where the reward is better, and that's landing a possible future top pair D. Worst case scenario is we have a big, mobile right shooting D who can probably play on the third pairing.

I'd say it was way off the board. He was projected by most public rankings to go around mid-first. That's why there was such a reaction from the crowd, the commentators, and even Seider himself when he went #6. While ~10 spots may not be a lot in the 2nd round and beyond, it's quick a big difference in the top 15. If Hughes went #3 that's only 2 spots down but the whole hockey world would have blown up, for example.

Anyway that's not to knock on the pick. Kid's clearly got lots of potential with great physical tools and hasn't had the exposure that some of the other top picks have gotten. Part of that was the apparent belief by most of the hockey sphere that he would go between ~12-20. Hopefully Yzerman and Co. are correct that he has a lot of room to grow and he becomes what we need him to.

 

[Frk It]

You liked Dobson a lot. I like him a touch more than Seider, but that his closest package comparison from a recent draft and you named the NHL guy if we hit a home run and he develops right in my opinion.

Good company, nonetheless. I know you and I have more belief in Dobson than most. So if he is in a similar vein, that is fantastic.

Not sure it’s the best thing for his development, but I’d like to see him play in the CHL next year. I think he would come over and do really well like Hronek did, and ease concerns.

 

[The Zermanator]

Good company, nonetheless. I know you and I have more belief in Dobson than most. So if he is in a similar vein, that is fantastic.

Not sure it’s the best thing for his development, but I’d like to see him play in the CHL next year. I think he would come over and do really well like Hronek did, and ease concerns.

I don't really care about concerns over him, he just needs to become the best player he can. I'm not a big fan of sending players to play in juniors once they've already played against men professionally. Either leaving him with his current team another year or bringing him to Grand Rapids would be best IMO.

 

[HisNoodliness]

Good company, nonetheless. I know you and I have more belief in Dobson than most. So if he is in a similar vein, that is fantastic.

Not sure it’s the best thing for his development, but I’d like to see him play in the CHL next year. I think he would come over and do really well like Hronek did, and ease concerns.

I don't really care about concerns over him, he just needs to become the best player he can. I'm not a big fan of sending players to play in juniors once they've already played against men professionally. Either leaving him with his current team another year or bringing him to Grand Rapids would be best IMO.

I agree that what's best for his development is what matters, but personally I really hope he'sin GR. There we can control his ice time so he doesn't have another season like last year where he's not playing enough and I can actually watch him play... which is a biggie as I really want to see this kid and that seems impossible in the DEL.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Manheim cannot really promise minutes, but if it is below 15 a night he should be in Grand Rapids or the CHL in my opinion.

They probably can ballpark their plan in terms of next year and that is important.

 

[Hen Kolland]

Manheim cannot really promise minutes, but if it is below 15 a night he should be in Grand Rapids or the CHL in my opinion.

They probably can ballpark their plan in terms of next year and that is important.

I see no benefit to him being in Manheim from a development standpoint. Maybe I’m being unrealistic, but my biggest concern for his readiness right now is adapting to North American hockey. The smaller playing surface feels like the defensive learning curve that will be his biggest hurdle.

I’d say Grand Rapids is THE place for him. Seider and Cholowski on the ice for 25 minutes a night next year.

 

[DRW204]

anything but the CHL is probably the best path for him eh?

 

[Run the Jewels]

Yzerman said he thinks he can play in all situation so Owen Sound may be the best route in that regard. In Grand Rapids you can give him as much time as you like but that may not work out based on how the roster shakes out. I'd think Owen Sound would be the best way to get him lots of IT in all situations and see how he develops.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I see no benefit to him being in Manheim from a development standpoint. Maybe I’m being unrealistic, but my biggest concern for his readiness right now is adapting to North American hockey. The smaller playing surface feels like the defensive learning curve that will be his biggest hurdle.

I’d say Grand Rapids is THE place for him. Seider and Cholowski on the ice for 25 minutes a night next year.

I'm not crazy about AHL for d+1 players. Really historically there doesn't seem to be any basis to AHL being better than staying another year in europe, or going the junior route.
But the sample size of going to AHL right after the draft for especially d-men is pretty small.

 

[DRW204]

I'm not crazy about AHL for d+1 players. Really historically there doesn't seem to be any basis to AHL being better than staying another year in europe, or going the junior route.
But the sample size of going to AHL right after the draft for especially d-men is pretty small.

wouldn't being in a pro league against men be better than juniors though? i guess it depends ultimately on his role and TOI

 

[waltdetroit]

Yzerman said he thinks he can play in all situation so Owen Sound may be the best route in that regard. In Grand Rapids you can give him as much time as you like but that may not work out based on how the roster shakes out. I'd think Owen Sound would be the best way to get him lots of IT in all situations and see how he develops.

If he goes to Owen Sound, does he have to play there for 2 years?

 

[Pavels Dog]

wouldn't being in a pro league against men be better than juniors though? i guess it depends ultimately on his role and TOI

Yeah it all depends. Going to juniors seemed to work wonders for Hronek for example. Especially transitioning to smaller ice it might be easier with a year in juniors. But Seider sounds like he's pretty mature and going to junior might be too much of a step back.

 

[ManwithNoIdentity]

I’m liking this pick and I absolutely hated it last night. Doesn’t hurt that he seems like a nice kid too.

 

[DRW204]

Yeah it all depends. Going to juniors seemed to work wonders for Hronek for example. Especially transitioning to smaller ice it might be easier with a year in juniors. But Seider sounds like he's pretty mature and going to junior might be too much of a step back.

yup, agree with the bolded. Seider is probably far more more polished than Hronek was. From my viewings, Seider had the IQ/intelligence abilities down to go along with the physical traits. Idk how Hronek was comparatively pre-draft. if he can grasp a top-D role with a pro team i think this would pay higher dividends than going to CHL

 

[Henkka]

If he goes to Owen Sound, does he have to play there for 2 years?

No.

He was drafted from Europe, and where you are drafted from, determines the rule.

So Seider could be put straight in AHL, if wanted.

It's like Tatar did.

 

[waltdetroit]

No.

He was drafted from Europe, and where you are drafted from, determines the rule.

So Seider could be put straight in AHL, if wanted.

It's like Tatar did.

Yes if he goes straight to the AHL that's fine. But what if he does go to Owen Sound. Is it for 2 years?

 

[Winger98]

I don't think Seider would have a hard time getting his mintues with his DEL team. Also, I'm just going from memory here so I might be (probably am) wrong but wasn't Seider also one of the younger guys in the draft? If he stays in the DEL, gets his minutes there, they will also make him available for all of the international tournaments - something that might not necessarily happen in GR. I wouldn't have a problem with the Wings going that route.

 

[Short Shorts]

How hard is it to transition from an international size rink to NA? Should that play a factor in where we want him developing?

 

[The Zermanator]

I love the freedom that Seider/Zadina/Hronek drafted out of Euro pro teams gives us.

Hronek was sent to the CHL and did very well there, his development has been great.

Zadina went straight to the AHL, and while his year wasn't a grand slam offensively he's been improving the other parts of his game. I'm not worried at all about his offence translating because he's so naturally gifted there. He should be a more complete player in the end because of that experience.

And now with Seider we can decide that he stays in Germany and continues to develop playing the pros there. Or maybe he comes to the CHL for a year to dominate the juniors. Or he could come to Grand Rapids and jump straight into the Red Wings org youth movement with both feet.

It's too bad that the best CHL prospects don't get that opportunity...

 

[Ezekial]

I love the freedom that Seider/Zadina/Hronek drafted out of Euro pro teams gives us.

Hronek was sent to the CHL and did very well there, his development has been great.

Zadina went straight to the AHL, and while his year wasn't a grand slam offensively he's been improving the other parts of his game. I'm not worried at all about his offence translating because he's so naturally gifted there. He should be a more complete player in the end because of that experience.

And now with Seider we can decide that he stays in Germany and continues to develop playing the pros there. Or maybe he comes to the CHL for a year to dominate the juniors. Or he could come to Grand Rapids and jump straight into the Red Wings org youth movement with both feet.

It's too bad that the best CHL prospects don't get that opportunity...

It's good to have that freedom as an organization to have a hands on approach on development. In the end it's always best to have the interest of the player in mind, the CHL agreement is necessary in ways, but in the end giving these players the best opportunity to become the best they can be is more important.
I like that we have options with Moritz, I think he's going to go to GR and play an important role.

 

[Henkka]

Yes if he goes straight to the AHL that's fine. But what if he does go to Owen Sound. Is it for 2 years?

Zadina was get out from Halifax after one year, and so would be Seider.

 

[Ezekial]

How hard is it to transition from an international size rink to NA? Should that play a factor in where we want him developing?

Depends on the player, some have skills that translate immediately and some improve as players just because their skillset is conducive to small ice, some need time to adjust to the game.
Jesper Bratt comes to mind as a player who improved immediately because his game worked better with less space. At least that's the biggest thing I've seen in his game exploding.