Post-Game Talk: #6 - 01/26/21 | RANGERS @ sabres

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I agree with this train of thought, although I pushed hard amid my peers and fellow lunatic fans to get Hank out. Great goalie, great leader, time to move on. Sorry Hank. As a fan, I was here decades before him and, God willing, I'll be here decades after him. Time to move on. A cup was just not in his future. On one hand, I was vindicated; he can't play in the NHL anymore. Fate stepped in. On the other had, I had no idea his departure would create such a leadership vacuum. Yikes. Are these guys really as immature as Tony D is purported to be? It looks that way thus far.

Somebody/Anybody with a sweater please step forward and hold this team accountable to work hard for sixty minutes.

Yeah I mean whether or not you wanted Hank bought out to keep Georgie or not, there’s no denying that he left a huge hole from a leadership perspective.

 

[Fitzy]

I'm going to set a personal expectation that Lafreniere and Kakko, if they stay healthy, should each hit 30 points this season. If they don't I'll be a little disappointed.

 

[Whoot Whoot]

if he was to go - whats the coaching market like? who could we get?

 

[True Blue]

These have been repeated relentlessly. If you think that the Vets are the problem, send a message, bench or put them on the 4th line. If they're not the issue, that's a good way to lose the team.

So again, just please confirm that you would either scratch Panarin or demote him to the 4th line.

Strome is the outlier and he should not be on the 2nd line and PP1. End of story. Chytil, Howden, Rooney it doesn't matter. I do not care who replaces him because it is automatically a net positive over a floating blackhole. He should be stapled to the bottom6

This statement would have been a third correct had Chytil not been hurt. So now again confirm that you are inserting Howden or Rooney as the team's second line center.

Benching ADA and taking his PP1QB spot. Bad move.

So again, bench whom you do not like and don't bench who you do...........

I dont see Panarin being the issue. He's struggling with no help. He will not overcome being that short handed. You keep getting caught on individual names, I'm looking at the team, as a whole

If you do not see Panarin as being part of the problem, then you have not been watching the same team play. That or you are cornered by your own words and are now searching for a way out.

It's funny because you mention all of the symptoms then ask what the symptoms are...
-Bad fundamentals; passing, shooting
-Bad special teams
-Bad personnel management
-Bad system, no puck support, bad puckmovement, bad entries, bad forecheck
-Lack of urgency, lack of player engagement
-Emotional outbursts and/or on the other side of the spectrum; sulking
-Inconsistencies

When your top players are not playing like it, what did you expects? How is Quinn going to fix Panarin shooting or passing?

The special teams were largely fine until the last game or two.

The only things you have pointed to in personnel management have been Johnson and benching of DeAngelo. Surely there is something more that you can point to.

Puck movement is shooting and passing, no? Again while your top players are playing poorly, this is going to suffer. As it would for any team under any coach.

I see a lot of signs of a poorly coached team... you equate it to vets being the issue.

If the goalie play had just been mediocre (C grade), Quinn's youngest team in the league would have been 4-2, with all of their star vets playing like tukhus.

 

[JCProdigy]

I'm going to set a personal expectation that Lafreniere and Kakko, if they stay healthy, should each hit 30 points this season. If they don't I'll be a little disappointed.

That would be super nice and in the range of what other prospects with their pedigree have done.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I definitely cut Lafreneire slack as far as his performance so far.

Due to covid this is his first competitive hockey since March last year.

No prospect camp. Shortened training camp. No preseason games. Roster struggling around him. Pressures that come with being 1OA pick.

There’s a lot of compounding factors here with him. Even still I feel like he hasn’t been as bad as his goose egg stat like would suggest.

 

[duhmetreE]

So again, just please confirm that you would either scratch Panarin or demote him to the 4th line.

This statement would have been a third correct had Chytil not been hurt. So now again confirm that you are inserting Howden or Rooney as the team's second line center.

So again, bench whom you do not like and don't bench who you do...........

If you do not see Panarin as being part of the problem, then you have not been watching the same team play. That or you are cornered by your own words and are now searching for a way out.

When your top players are not playing like it, what did you expects? How is Quinn going to fix Panarin shooting or passing?

The special teams were largely fine until the last game or two.

The only things you have pointed to in personnel management have been Johnson and benching of DeAngelo. Surely there is something more that you can point to.

Puck movement is shooting and passing, no? Again while your top players are playing poorly, this is going to suffer. As it would for any team under any coach.

If the goalie play had just been mediocre (C grade), Quinn's youngest team in the league would have been 4-2, with all of their star vets playing like tukhus.

at this point I dont think you're being genuine. I keep repeating the same things.

You ask a question. I give you reason 1.
You ask a question. I give you reason 2.
You ask a question. Repeat reason 1.
You ask a question. Repeat reason 2.

All the information is there.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

It helps to have someone in the locker room who isn't the same as you. You respect him. But he's different. He holds you accountable. Maybe he even embarrassed you once. In private. You may not really think of him as a true friend, but you can remember that once he helped you with something that nobody else would do. It had nothing to do with hockey. He's odd though. He cares too much about the team. It seems like that's all that matters to him. Maybe it wasn't Hank. Maybe it was Fast.

The Rangers need that guy soon. Now. Fast.

 

[True Blue]

at this point I dont think you're being genuine. I keep repeating the same things.

You ask a question. I give you reason 1.
You ask a question. I give you reason 2.
You ask a question. Repeat reason 1.
You ask a question. Repeat reason 2.

All the information is there.

And I think it is the other way around. To boil it down, your personnel management issues seem to be rooted in two things, JJ playing and the scratching of DeAngelo. It also appears that you believe that not inserting Howden or Rooney to center Panarin is another bad move. The issues you keep highlighting seem to be that you want Quinn to bench the players that you like and not the ones you don't. You also cannot seem to get your arms around how the team can be shooting and passing poorly without tying it into the vets. Then there is the ignoring that with even medium level play from the goalies, their record would be 4-2. All that makes me believe is that you are just looking for scapegoats and found one.

 

[duhmetreE]

And I think it is the other way around. To boil it down, your personnel management issues seem to be rooted in two things, JJ playing and the scratching of DeAngelo. It also appears that you believe that not inserting Howden or Rooney to center Panarin is another bad move. The issues you keep highlighting seem to be that you want Quinn to bench the players that you like and not the ones you don't. You also cannot seem to get your arms around how the team can be shooting and passing poorly without tying it into the vets. Then there is the ignoring that with even medium level play from the goalies, their record would be 4-2. All that makes me believe is that you are just looking for scapegoats and found one.

No, I have been commenting that they are not ready and not sharp since game 1. Everything has been off.

We both see the same symptoms.

You think; Vets play bad = bad result

I think; Bad coaching/management = Vets play bad = bad result


Since the play-in we have been bad, in every facet of the game.

 

[will1066]

Sounds like a perfect assistant coach.

Speaking of assistant coach, David Oliver has gotten by clean like a pair of fresh underwear. Is he just not that good of an X's and O's guy? Quinn is getting all the hate, but doesn't the head coach delegate some of the systems work to his assistant coaches?

 

[FUZfan]

Night in, and night out, winning comes down to your first line and your goalie outplaying the other teams first line and goalie. Rangers aren't doing that, and until they do, the losing is going to continue.

 

[Fitzy]

I definitely cut Lafreneire slack as far as his performance so far.

Due to covid this is his first competitive hockey since March last year.

No prospect camp. Shortened training camp. No preseason games. Roster struggling around him. Pressures that come with being 1OA pick.

There’s a lot of compounding factors here with him. Even still I feel like he hasn’t been as bad as his goose egg stat like would suggest.

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That's fair. He's also being asked to do some odd stuff. I'd try to get him some consistent linemates.

Lafreniere-Howden-Kakko was probably our least abysmal combination at any point last night. I don't think that's the long term answer, but if PDG finds himself as the new fast eventually Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko could be a real fun unit with Chytil doing a lot of the leg work. if they developed chemistry that'd be a tough group to get the puck from.

 

[CasusBelli]

Just gonna throw this out there ...

Gallant as HC
JM as AC
Guy Boucher as AC (I think he’s still unemployed)

Too defensive?

 

[Savant]

if he was to go - whats the coaching market like? who could we get?

Gallant

 

[duhmetreE]

And I think it is the other way around. To boil it down, your personnel management issues seem to be rooted in two things, JJ playing and the scratching of DeAngelo. It also appears that you believe that not inserting Howden or Rooney to center Panarin is another bad move. The issues you keep highlighting seem to be that you want Quinn to bench the players that you like and not the ones you don't. You also cannot seem to get your arms around how the team can be shooting and passing poorly without tying it into the vets. Then there is the ignoring that with even medium level play from the goalies, their record would be 4-2. All that makes me believe is that you are just looking for scapegoats and found one.

I should not have to compile a dissertation on why Quinn is bad as a NHL coach. It is self evident.

His personnel choices ( starting line up+PP+PK )
+ his system ( transition, zone entry, forecheck structure, special teams etc )
+ the teams readiness ( level of sharpness in fundamentals )
= these results.

I explained this all already.

Maybe we just need more time but a good coach doesn't need half the season for his team to start playing like a cohesive unit.

 

[TominNC]

Still plenty of time, and I'm patient with the kids, but I'd like to see Laf just do ONE thing that makes me say, Wow. I like his back checking and his overall effort, but just thrill me once.

 

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

While I do think this is on the players, hell, three more loses and I'd pin the C on Rooney, it would be nice to see Quinn flip his lid. I mean some real "How about another doughnut Koharski?" type of anger directed at somebody in Blue. Nothing that would see him lose his job, but more like Torts having too many drinks at a family reunion. Some real Mike Keenan crap. Quinn has it in him. Time to vent.

 

[Kravtsov420]

I should not have to compile a dissertation on why Quinn is bad as a NHL coach. It is self evident.

His personnel choices ( starting line up+PP+PK )
+ his system ( transition, zone entry, forecheck structure, special teams etc )
+ the teams readiness ( level of sharpness in fundamentals )
= these results.

I explained this all already.

Maybe we just need more time but a good coach doesn't need half the season for his team to start playing like a cohesive unit.

Relax, you’re arguing with David Quinn’s burner account

 

[will1066]

I'm going to set a personal expectation that Lafreniere and Kakko, if they stay healthy, should each hit 30 points this season. If they don't I'll be a little disappointed.

I'm holding you to this

 

[will1066]

Still plenty of time, and I'm patient with the kids, but I'd like to see Laf just do ONE thing that makes me say, Wow. I like his back checking and his overall effort, but just thrill me once.

Back checking and overall effort belongs with Rick Nash.

 

[will1066]

Phone battery at 13%.

Good juju coming Laf's way.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Phone battery at 13%.

Good juju coming Laf's way.

Waited all day for this post?

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Phone battery at 13%.

Good juju coming Laf's way.

Mine at 68....longing for Jagr

 

[aufheben]

First and foremost, I think it's continued to be established that very rarely can Rangers' fans have nice things. While I'm not really worried/concerned yet over Lafreniere, I am bummed that he hasn't shown more dynamism in his play. I just would like to see him make the kind of play like Miller's rush and backhand saucer pass. Points certainly aren't everything at this point so I'd like to see a little wow factor even if it doesn't necessarily result in anything. I just hope the lack of that is due to the whole messed up situation the COVID has caused.

It's way too early on many fronts with small sample size and all, and we're going to need at least most of this season to really judge the young guys. Still food for thought: If Lafreniere doesn't score 4 points in the next four games then he'd be off to the worst start in scoring stats of any #1 overall pick in the past 11 years and that would include two defensemen (Dahlen, Ekblad). If he doesn't get at least 3 points then he wouldn't cover 8 out the 10 previous #2 overall picks. ie: is it too much to ask for SOMETHING nice Hockey Gods?!?!

A scary thought I had last night: if this franchise can’t get a #1 overall pick to work out, what is even the point of that franchise’s existence?

It is suddenly clear to me why a portion of this board hates the Penguins so much.

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@Edge

What I’ve been wondering about w/r/t Lafreniere is—and correct me if I’m wrong—he’s not like the best in the world at any one thing, he’s very good at a lot of things, so he doesn’t have an elite skill/attribute to fall back on.

For example, Laine is essentially just a rocket launcher attached to a dude, so like...how do you f*** that up? I’m not saying it’s the only thing Laine is good at, but seriously, how many of his goals in the NHL have literally been him standing on the ice and sending a laser (© @nevesis 2021) past the goalie?

Lafreniere is also more of a playmaker than a goal scorer, right? Well, the success of that partially involves...other players on the team (unless you’re Sidney Crosby). I don’t think this is necessarily a bad thing, his impact might just have to take a few years to really be made.

I also don’t buy Quinn screwing these kids up either, for a number of reasons...

1. We’ve had kids step in and immediately make an impact. Look at Miller right now, not tepid at all, straight up does not care, doin’ his thing, i.e. crushin’ it.
2. The idea that JG & JD are just standing by watching a coach f***-up two of the biggest gifts from God this franchise has ever seen, or they’re unaware of it, is completely bananas.
3. If a coach is actually screwing with a player, everyone knows exactly how and why; Nothing ambiguous about it. But on here, we have people complaining Lafreniere is getting too much TOI, Lafreniere isn’t getting enough TOI, Lafreniere needs better teammates, Lafreniere needs weaker competition, this line sucks stop juggling lines, this line sucks stop playing it, etc.; and all in the same GDT.
   
4. Do you guys think Quinn right now is making Lafreniere rank the worth ethic of his teammates, and then Quinn is sharing this with his teammates afterwards?