Prospect Info: 5th Overall Pick 2020: Who Do The Sens Draft

[JungleBeat]

You just said that cup winning forwards are harder to find than d men. I just gave two examples of the Blues forwards being easy to aquire.

St louis is built from the back end out. Its easier to get scoring wingers it just is. Centermen and top end D men are harder to aquire.

Tkachuk is tracking to be just as good as both Tarasenko and ORielly. He is kind of a mix of both of those players. Lots of intangibles like Orielly but position of tarsenko. Similar production to Orielly but more goals like tarasenko.

The sens are getting one of Stutzle or Byfield who also project to be in that tier if not better.

Chabot is a top end dman.

What top end forward do the Sens currently have that are on par with previous cup team? What intangibles are you speaking of for Brady and O’Reilly? Or, are you referring to his defensive play that you can surely think they’re in the same level. They’re three different players that all play much different styles.

You're contradicting yourself saying that the Blues’ duo is easy to acquire but then go on to say that centres are hard to get. FYI, O’Reilly is a centre.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Forget about positions.

Ottawa needs high-end everything.

 

[JD1]

You just said that cup winning forwards are harder to find than d men. I just gave two examples of the Blues forwards being easy to aquire.

St louis is built from the back end out. Its easier to get scoring wingers it just is. Centermen and top end D men are harder to aquire.

Tkachuk is tracking to be just as good as both Tarasenko and ORielly. He is kind of a mix of both of those players. Lots of intangibles like Orielly but position of tarsenko. Similar production to Orielly but more goals like tarasenko.

The sens are getting one of Stutzle or Byfield who also project to be in that tier if not better.

Definitely harder to get the D and the 1C. The Ws are almost interchangeable parts ifcyou have the Ds and the C.

Seems lots of people want to compare Tkachuk to other players based on talent. That's not easy to do imo and it sells Tkachuk short. He is a unique player and the testimony to that will be by the time he is on is RFA deal, teams and scouts will be looking for the next Brady Tkachuk. Book that.

 

[JD1]

Chabot is a top end dman.

What top end forward do the Sens currently have that are on par with previous cup team? What intangibles are you speaking of for Brady and O’Reilly? Or, are you referring to his defensive play that you can surely think they’re in the same level. They’re three different players that all play much different styles.

You're contradicting yourself saying that the Blues’ duo is easy to acquire but then go on to say that centres are hard to get. FYI, O’Reilly is a centre.

I think your original premise is wrong, unless you missed a word.

You said 2nd and 3rd defenceman. Did you mean 2nd and 3rd pair? If you meant a team's 2nd and 3rd best d men i think you're dead wrong.

 

[JungleBeat]

I think your original premise is wrong, unless you missed a word.

You said 2nd and 3rd defenceman. Did you mean 2nd and 3rd pair? If you meant a team's 2nd and 3rd best d men i think you're dead wrong.

Niskanen, Dumoulin, Greene Boychuck/Kaberle and Seabrook are harder to get than Kuznetsov, Kessel, Tarasenko, and Toews?

 

[JD1]

Niskanen, Dumoulin, Greene Boychuck/Kaberle and Seabrook are harder to get than Kuznetsov, Kessel, Tarasenko, and Toews?

You're mixing forwards and centers. Centers no, forwards yes. The wingers or forwards are the easiest pieces to find

 

[JungleBeat]

You're mixing forwards and centers. Centers no, forwards yes. The wingers or forwards are the easiest pieces to find

I think you’re being deliberately obtuse. I’ll be moving on!

 

[Que]

What if we draft as 3-5, Jamie Drysdale and Jake Sanderson. Our defence will be ridiculously good. Arguably in the future, top pair - team Canada. Team USA and Sweden.

If we miss out on Byfield and/or Laf then I’d consider it (worried about Stützle). Defencemen take longer to develop and we’re still a few years out.

It all depends on how you view the rest of the prospects after that. They’re all very close (more or less) in terms of potential.

 

[Six Assets]

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

I don't buy that many d-men next year have move upside than Drysdale. The draft next year is weaker. The projected #1 pick might not even be top 5 this year.

 

[BondraTime]

I don't buy that many d-men next year have move upside than Drysdale. The draft next year is weaker. The projected #1 pick might not even be top 5 this year.

I’d imagine Power would be the top D, or in the conversation at the very least, among scouts if he was eligible for the draft this year, he’s an extremely rare blend of size, speed, skill and IQ. I do think his numbers may be a bit inflated this year being on Chicago, though he was still the best D in the USHL by a very large amount.

Haven’t seen any of Clarke or Lambos personally, but I’d imagine they would be in the same conversation as Drysdale and Sanderson as well.

 

[ijif]

I prefer the forwards in that range too, I think one of those D could slip to 33 or someone like Walinder who would be a nice choice with our 2nd imo.

Wallinder would be a solid pick in the second round.

The three CHL defenders could drop, but I still would not select Schnieder or Barron at #33. I'd consider Guhle, but I don't think he would be the highest-ranked guy on my list that is available at pick #33, so I would probably pass.

If I am targeting defenders in the second, I am looking at Jurmo and O'Rourke.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

perhaps an ottawa scout?

 

[Micklebot]

Wallinder would be a solid pick in the second round.

The three CHL defenders could drop, but I still would not select Schnieder or Barron at #33. I'd consider Guhle, but I don't think he would be the highest-ranked guy on my list that is available at pick #33, so I would probably pass.

If I am targeting defenders in the second, I am looking at Jurmo and O'Rourke.

I like Walinder quite a bit and if it weren't for the depth of this draft I'd likely be considering him at 21.

Going deeper than the 1st round into the draft though, i simply don't have the viewings to warrant being much higher on one guy or another so i just look at guys i like as late firsts that might slip.

 

[GCK]

I’d imagine Power would be the top D, or in the conversation at the very least, among scouts if he was eligible for the draft this year, he’s an extremely rare blend of size, speed, skill and IQ. I do think his numbers may be a bit inflated this year being on Chicago, though he was still the best D in the USHL by a very large amount.

Haven’t seen any of Clarke or Lambos personally, but I’d imagine they would be in the same conversation as Drysdale and Sanderson as well.

Hard to say with different development curves but Clarke is way ahead of Drysdale at this point. Clarke has shown more offence and has more size and is still quite competent defensively.

 

[JungleBeat]

Smart scout. I hope he’s with the Sens!

 

[Sens Vader]

Raymond is who I'd prefer with 5, would be happy with a few guys though

Stutzle/Byfield + Raymond would put a stamp on our top 6 moving forward

 

[Sweatred]

Hard to say with different development curves but Clarke is way ahead of Drysdale at this point. Clarke has shown more offence and has more size and is still quite competent defensively.

What are you using to justify that he is “way ahead”...? their D-1 stat lines look pretty similar .

 

[Sweatred]

Raymond is who I'd prefer with 5, would be happy with a few guys though

Stutzle/Byfield + Raymond would put a stamp on our top 6 moving forward

Agreed... and I think I think the idea of Byfield and Raymond. Gives us a combo of size and dynamic play.

 

[bert]

I don't buy that many d-men next year have move upside than Drysdale. The draft next year is weaker. The projected #1 pick might not even be top 5 this year.

Exactly, lets see if any of these d men play on the WJC team and log big minutes. Thats what Drysdale did, its simply not common.

 

[bert]

Hard to say with different development curves but Clarke is way ahead of Drysdale at this point. Clarke has shown more offence and has more size and is still quite competent defensively.

This is absolutely not true. They scored at an almost identical clip as 16 year olds. If you want to talk about development curves Drysdale is ahead of any 17 year old draft eligible canadian defenseman in 20 years.

I have never seen more illegitimate slander of a prospect than Drysdale than on the sens board. Its unbelievable.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

This is absolutely not true. They scored at an almost identical clip as 16 year olds. If you want to talk about development curves Drysdale is ahead of any 17 year old draft eligible canadian defenseman in 20 years.

I have never seen more illegitimate slander of a prospect than Drysdale than on the sens board. Its unbelievable.

The main board is way more critical of Drysdale.

Also, we are picking between Drysdale, a future top pairing/number 1 defender or Raymond, a future franchise winger. It's not like we selling Drysdale short here. Raymond would be fighting for top 2-3 overall if he was a bit more mature physically and handled the SHL season a bit better. The guy is prolific.

 

[GCK]

What are you using to justify that he is “way ahead”...? their D-1 stat lines look pretty similar .

Clarke is far better defensively this year than Drysdale was last year. Clarke was an absolute offensive dynamo playing in the GTHL, he blew away Drysdales numbers.

 

[GCK]

This is absolutely not true. They scored at an almost identical clip as 16 year olds. If you want to talk about development curves Drysdale is ahead of any 17 year old draft eligible canadian defenseman in 20 years.

I have never seen more illegitimate slander of a prospect than Drysdale than on the sens board. Its unbelievable.

That is flat out wrong. Check out their comparable midget year in the GTHL. Clarke was 113 points in 78 games. His defensive play is as good in his rookie season as Drysdale was this year. He is far more physical and bigger but is still an elite skater. Drysdale is good but you keep calling him the best D prospect in 20 years is absolute nonsense. He has benefitted from a terrible Canadian D crop for 2001s and 2002s. You mention the role he played at the WJC as a 17 year old, but you fail to put in the context that he would not have made the team most years as a 17 yo D.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The main board is way more critical of Drysdale.

Also, we are picking between Drysdale, a future top pairing/number 1 defender or Raymond, a future franchise winger. It's not like we selling Drysdale short here. Raymond would be fighting for top 2-3 overall if he was a bit more mature physically and handled the SHL season a bit better. The guy is prolific.

Who the wings pick will be a factor. IF LA stayed at 4 I am pretty sure they take Drysdale.

At 5 we could have Drysdale, Sanderson, Perfetti, Raymond or Rossi ( my self imposed limits) , no implied order
I do not see a bad option there. Anyone can argue for this player over that player but imo they are all good options. I like everyone of them. I have my preference and but if we take Stutzle or Byfield , I expect LA to take Byfield and any one of those players I'm good with it. I expect a wide variation on how teams have those players ranked.