GDT: #5: NJ Onis at Calgary Honos; 9pm; MSG+2

[Bleedred]

I give Pete until Christmas....if we are under .500 and still blowing 3 goal leads in the 3rd then Lou will be behind the bench again

I'd give him the axe earlier than that if we're struggling. As long as Stevens doesn't take over. I doubt we'll ever see Lou behind the bench again. I really would like him to last the whole year.

Do not want him back next year. This is probably a contract year for him, and he does not deserve an extension. With the way he handles younger players. Wait until Gelinas is up here.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Being forechecked to death hasn't really been a problem for us yet, but we did spend a lot of time in our own end against Vancouver.

We've been giving up a lot of odd man breaks though. There hasn't been a game yet they've we given up less than 2 breakaways I don't think. We've been averaging 3-4 per game.

Keeping leads has been a big problem. That game against Edmonton was such a pissing away of 2 points. Blown leads have been a constant problem with Deboer. We've blown about eight 3 goal leads since he's been here. Including 2 in the playoffs. We have wound up winning almost half those games though. We've also blown too many 2 goal leads to count since he's been coach. A 2 goal lead blown is a little more understandable, but it's happened too much.

Are there actual stats that the majority of games we blow leads, and that this isn't a case of selective memory over the two games this year, and the Florida weekend. I definitely remember the problem last year being we couldn't GET a lead, not about holding one. We pretty much never scored first, if at all and were constantly chasing leads.

Someone have a stat that shows this is a historical problem, and not just a recent (last two games) problem please do.

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

It's sad that I can't even get excited for games based on the fact that we are playing Kremlin Kone.

 

[glenwo2]

So.....


Will we win a friggin' game tonight or escape once again with just one point?

 

[Blender]

Fayne out again, yet Volch(and Harrold even) still in. The double standard this team has for certain players is crazy...

 

[onefatsurfer]

Wait, people are actually suggesting benching Zajac? Wow.

 

[glenwo2]

Wait, people are actually suggesting benching Zajac? Wow.

That's more like than anything else.


Considering how bad the Devils are on 'D' right now with all the odd-man rushes, why would we want to bench one of our best defensive forwards?

 

[Bleedred]

Are there actual stats that the majority of games we blow leads, and that this isn't a case of selective memory over the two games this year, and the Florida weekend. I definitely remember the problem last year being we couldn't GET a lead, not about holding one. We pretty much never scored first, if at all and were constantly chasing leads.

Someone have a stat that shows this is a historical problem, and not just a recent (last two games) problem please do.

Off the top of my head, and I remember these ones because I was three of these four games in person.


http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS020295.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS020509.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS030315.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS030133.HTM

There's a couple I'm forgetting. We wound up squeaking out a win in 2 of those games. One game I remember off the top of my head was a weekend matinee in Philly in 2012. We were up 6-0 going into the 3rd, and barely held on to win 6-4. Not to mention we blew a lot of 2 goal leads in the 2012 playoffs. Game 1 vs Florida we were up 3-0 halfway through the 2nd, and were lucky enough to squeak out 3-2. We also blew 2 goal leads in the last 2 games of that Panthers series as well.

Blowing leads has been a constant problem under Deboer. We don't always lose the games we blow these leads, but they do happen more than they should, and make games a lot more harder than they have to be.

 

[onefatsurfer]

We blew leads under Sutter, too. Remember the Hurricanes?

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

Tedenby is our Tomas Hertl...

 

[captainscott]

You really think Clowe and Zajac should be sat? Try Harrold and Gionta.

I don't get not playing loktionov. I understand Fayne because he can only play 3 righties And he loves zids and Harold

 

[Bleedred]

We blew leads under Sutter, too. Remember the Hurricanes?

Not nearly as many as under Deboer.

I can't remember us ever blowing a 3-0 lead and losing 4-3, or holding on to win in the shootout. Aside from under PDB. Might have happened, but I don't remember it.

The TSN crew the other night on NHL Network said our 3 goal blown lead against the Oilers was only the third time that's happened and we wound up losing since 1991. I'm not sure how true that is, but I can tell you it's the second time we've done it under Deboer. Third if you count playoffs.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

Have mercy on the Devils, God.

 

[Chessarmy]

So when we lose Mark Fayne to free agency this summer, this defense is going to be ****ed.

Lou's going to have to do some upgrading to the blueline

 

[Devils Trap]

So when we lose Mark Fayne to free agency this summer, this defense is going to be ****ed.

Lou's going to have to do some upgrading to the blueline

What upgrading are you talking about ??? Im sorry but did you not know we have 2 ready prospects in the AHL

 

[Emperoreddy]

Off the top of my head, and I remember these ones because I was three of these four games in person.


http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS020295.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS020509.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS030315.HTM

http://www.nhl.com/scores/htmlreports/20112012/GS030133.HTM

There's a couple I'm forgetting. We wound up squeaking out a win in 2 of those games. One game I remember off the top of my head was a weekend matinee in Philly in 2012. We were up 6-0 going into the 3rd, and barely held on to win 6-4. Not to mention we blew a lot of 2 goal leads in the 2012 playoffs. Game 1 vs Florida we were up 3-0 halfway through the 2nd, and were lucky enough to squeak out 3-2. We also blew 2 goal leads in the last 2 games of that Panthers series as well.

Blowing leads has been a constant problem under Deboer. We don't always lose the games we blow these leads, but they do happen more than they should, and make games a lot more harder than they have to be.

We also played very poorly in the Panthers series in general. Still he has coached over 100 games here, and that is about 6 or 7. That does not make a trend. If you tell me the league average for blowing leads over the past two years is something like 30%, and we are coughing up 2 goal leads 50% of the time or something like that. Then that is a trend.

Otherwise I think this is frustration over the past two games being combined with selective memory.

I also don't understand why its so hard to grasp why Loki is sitting. Both Henrique and Elias are playing center. We aren't benching Zajac, and Loki isn't going to play on the 4th line or play wing, something that has been discussed to death all offseason. So unless Henrique or Elias move back to wing...Loki sits.

 

[Bleedred]

The reason we went to half the shootouts we went to in 11-12 was because we couldn't hold a damn lead in the 3rd period. It wasn't always huge leads, but it was to the point where if we even had just a one goal lead going into the 3rd, I rarely felt confident we could win it without getting to a shootout. Constantly in the 3rd periods in games in 11-12 we would get outshot and spend a lot of time in our own end.

Don't even get me started on how many games have ended in the shootout under Deboer. About 70 percent of games we've went to OT since he's been here, we've wound up needing a shootout.

We're 4-6 in games that have ended in the overtime period since he's been here. Now that number in the loss column isn't too bad, but it tells me we tighten up defensively, but back off the gas offensively.

 

[Bleedred]

Our goal differential in the 3rd period in 11-12 was hideous from what I remember. I'm not sure how to find fast stats on that one. I'm pretty sure it was bad in 12-13 too, but I remember it being particularly bad in the 3rd in 11-12.

I've also found 6 other games in 11-12 in which we had a 2 goal lead at one point in the game, but it wound up going to overtime anyway. We won a couple of them still.

I'm willing to bet we've blown close to the most 3 goal leads in the league since 11-12. Not sure about 2 goal leads. the blowing of 2 goal leads might be a little more common around the league than it appears.

 

[Status Quo*]

Fayne plays one game, gets benched lol

I'm sick of Harrold/Volch. It's almost as if they have something on DeBoer.

 

[Bleedred]

Fayne plays one game, gets benched lol

I'm sick of Harrold/Volch. It's almost as if they have something on DeBoer.

Volchenkov-Harrold is the pairing of a lottery team, plain and simple. They're THAT bad together.

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

So when we lose Mark Fayne to free agency this summer, this defense is going to be ****ed.

Lou's going to have to do some upgrading to the blueline

This post outlines my nightmare scenario. Fayne walks, Lou signs more garbage D-men like Tallinder and Volchenkov and we are back at square one.

 

[Bleedred]

This post outlines my nightmare scenario. Fayne walks, Lou signs more garbage D-men like Tallinder and Volchenkov and we are back at square one.

Lou might be forced to sign a d man like that if Dumbeor is still around. You know he's gonna sit Gelinas.

My biggest fear of Fayne walking is that we keep the Kremlin Kone around, so we don't have to go with 2 rookie defensemen.

 

[Emperoreddy]

Our goal differential in the 3rd period in 11-12 was hideous from what I remember. I'm not sure how to find fast stats on that one. I'm pretty sure it was bad in 12-13 too, but I remember it being particularly bad in the 3rd in 11-12.

I've also found 6 other games in 11-12 in which we had a 2 goal lead at one point in the game, but it wound up going to overtime anyway. We won a couple of them still.

I'm willing to bet we've blown close to the most 3 goal leads in the league since 11-12. Not sure about 2 goal leads. the blowing of 2 goal leads might be a little more common around the league than it appears.

We were 16th in the league 2011-2012 in winning percentage after leading the game for 2 periods. The difference between 16th and 8th is .050%. It was worse last year, but so was every stat. Our real downfall were games in which we were trailing after the first. We were .172 in games were trailing after 1 period.

We barely ever had a lead last year.

 

[CerebralGenesis]

I'd give him the axe earlier than that if we're struggling. As long as Stevens doesn't take over. I doubt we'll ever see Lou behind the bench again. I really would like him to last the whole year.

Do not want him back next year. This is probably a contract year for him, and he does not deserve an extension. With the way he handles younger players. Wait until Gelinas is up here.

coaches rarely go into the year with no years left after the current one. I think that is why you see them get random 1 year extensions despite it not being the last year.

 

[Holtz My Bahls]

So let me get this straight, DeBoer thinks Larsson's issues are confidence related so he ****ing scratches him? Yeah that'll help his confidence.