GDT: #5: NJ Onis at Calgary Honos; 9pm; MSG+2

[Devils Trap]

Solid article by Chere
http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/..._with_winless_start.html#incart_flyout_sports

It sounded like it Friday monring when he was askeds after the team’s morning skate in Scotiabank Saddledome about getting the first victory of the season.

 

[Better Call Sal]

Chere is on the early morning sauce.

Fayne is out again??

 

[Bleedred]

I'm pretty sure Marty had another bad game in here the time before last. That 5-2 loss right after the olympics.

He had a 1-0 shutout in OT on an Elias goal the time before that, which was in 07.

 

[Marshal Rochambeau]

I'm sorry Fayne, but your just not bad enough to be an overachiever, or old enough to complain about being scratched. Same with you Loki. You get physical and make good plays, but Ryane Clowe and Zajac just have bigger contracts. Sorry, but we don't care about the score.

 

[Bleedred]

I'm sorry Fayne, but your just not bad enough to be an overachiever, or old enough to complain about being scratched. Same with you Loki. You get physical and make good plays, but Ryane Clowe and Zajac just have bigger contracts. Sorry, but we don't care about the score.

You really think Clowe and Zajac should be sat? Try Harrold and Gionta.

 

[SeidoN]

You really think Clowe and Zajac should be sat? Try Harrold and Gionta.

Zajac should sit a game and have a long hard thing about what he wants to bring to the team. Clowe can play, hes pretty much doing as advertised

 

[1989]

No Brodeur has not been playing well IMO. Had an absolutely atrocious game against the Islanders last week, and an okay game against Edmonton. Schneider had a whatever game in Pittsburgh, and a damn good game in Vancouver.

I wouldn't be surprised if Brodeur is the difference in tonight's game. In a good way for Calgary.

I'm surprised to hear that. Would you guys say his downward spiral is primarily due to age, overall team, or DeBoer's system?

You can get insight all you want, I do it too. I don't go over and call their team atrocious and I'm coming in peace or whatever you guys opened with. Best part is this is coming from Calgary fans of all people. Random matchup with a team with little history.

Look, I'll clarify - Didn't call the team atrocious, I called the record atrocious. The team itself (on paper) seems OK, heck before today's GDT I wouldn't have guessed that they hadn't won in regulation. It's easy as a fan to be defensive about the team especially when they're not doing well or projected to be in 30th place team when all is said and done which is what we Flames fans have heard the entire offseason by other fans and pundits and what have you so I get where you're coming from.
Although I understand the Devils have had their own problems this offseason, from most accounts I would say both team's records have not matched anybody's realistic expectations thus far.

As for little history, there's not much one can do about that other than the Flames becoming the WCF winners and the Devils winning the East and both teams meeting in the SCF for the next three out of five years. At least both teams are seeing each other at least twice in the next few years, instead of perhaps not playing each other at all.

Not trying to be a jerk but this all came about from one of your posters reporting on how he viewed the HFFlames GDT and it's been dumb since that. Let's just talk hockey.

 

[Colin226]

Anyone with Comcast know if MSG+2 comes in HD?

I know it didn't for FiOS but I am hoping it does for Comcast.. I mean I always have my Hockeystreams.com account to get an HD feed, but I'd prefer to avoid that as it isn't quite full HD

 

[Emperoreddy]

Downward spiral? Marty isn't on some downward spiral. His defense hung him out to dry his two games, same way the D left Cory out to dry.

 

[R8Devs]

lol did Lokti seriously get scratched over poor defensive play. Even when the defenseman played it worse than he did?

I still can't believe Gionta is a regular over JJ and Lokti. Oh well Pete will be Pete.

 

[Since1989]

I've been to ~105 NHL games in 13 different NHL cities. This will be the first time I get to see New Jersey and Martin Brodeur play live. Good luck tonight guys.

 

[Devils Trap]

lol did Lokti seriously get scratched over poor defensive play. Even when the defenseman played it worse than he did?

I still can't believe Gionta is a regular over JJ and Lokti. Oh well Pete will be Pete.

Yes he did and he should. About time Josefson is in

 

[ajdevjet]

Anyone with Comcast know if MSG+2 comes in HD?

I know it didn't for FiOS but I am hoping it does for Comcast.. I mean I always have my Hockeystreams.com account to get an HD feed, but I'd prefer to avoid that as it isn't quite full HD

pretty sure it's in the 700's maybe 710 ? good luck

 

[Czech Trio]

No me gusta Deboer.

Might as well reaquire Foster and sit both Larsson and Fayne

Foster-Greene
Salvador-Harrold
Volchenkov-Zidlicky

 

[ajdevjet]

I'm pretty sure Marty had another bad game in here the time before last. That 5-2 loss right after the olympics.

He had a 1-0 shutout in OT on an Elias goal the time before that, which was in 07.

worst coach in the NHL ? c'mon man

 

[Bleedred]

Downward spiral? Marty isn't on some downward spiral. His defense hung him out to dry his two games, same way the D left Cory out to dry.

I know you and I will never agree on this, but I thought he was very bad in the Islanders game. I'm gonna say he was worse that game than he was in pretty much any game last year. I'd sooner see him not making that ridiculous save late in the game than letting in softies. Goal 2 was extremely weak. Goal 3 was bad too, but I could let that go a little bit since he just missed the poke check. Let in one goal I didn't like vs Edmonton, but was hung out to dry pretty badly that game.

I'm surprised to hear that. Would you guys say his downward spiral is primarily due to age, overall team, or DeBoer's system?

I think it's a little bit of both. Brodeur is historically not good in October. Even the young Brodeur struggled in October when compared to every other month of the season. His lowest save percentage and highest GAA in his career splits are in the month of October.

Deboer's system hasn't really helped though. There are a lot of odd man rushes in Deboer's system because of forechecking.

 

[Bleedred]

worst coach in the NHL ? c'mon man

I honestly don't think he's the worst coach in the NHL. That's a mock at people who've said he's ''One of the best coaches in the NHL''

I however do believe that he's probably in the bottom 10, possibly even bottom 7.

I also believe he wasn't really that good in 11-12 (But he didn't make as many bad decisions that year) I think he just rode the coattails of Zach, Kovy, and Marty.

 

[1989]

Deboer's system hasn't really helped though. There are a lot of odd man rushes in Deboer's system because of forechecking.

If you've watched (though I don't expect that many would) any Flames games this young season - if what you say is true about DeBoer's system, the Flames and Devils will have a very back-and-forth contest providing the Flames can keep their energy levels up.
Calgary's team game is entertaining: fast transition and forecheck, priority on team defence, but I can't imagine that it's not incredibly taxing on the energy levels and it's why the Flames can go up 3 - 0 on teams like Vancouver and Montreal but have difficulty of guaranteeing a win at the end of the third.

Heart attacks for all.

 

[Bleedred]

If you've watched (though I don't expect that many would) any Flames games this young season - if what you say is true about DeBoer's system, the Flames and Devils will have a very back-and-forth contest providing the Flames can keep their energy levels up.
Calgary's team game is entertaining: fast transition and forecheck, priority on team defence, but I can't imagine that it's not incredibly taxing on the energy levels and it's why the Flames can go up 3 - 0 on teams like Vancouver and Montreal but have difficulty of guaranteeing a win at the end of the third.

Heart attacks for all.

Being forechecked to death hasn't really been a problem for us yet, but we did spend a lot of time in our own end against Vancouver.

We've been giving up a lot of odd man breaks though. There hasn't been a game yet they've we given up less than 2 breakaways I don't think. We've been averaging 3-4 per game.

Keeping leads has been a big problem. That game against Edmonton was such a pissing away of 2 points. Blown leads have been a constant problem with Deboer. We've blown about eight 3 goal leads since he's been here. Including 2 in the playoffs. We have wound up winning almost half those games though. We've also blown too many 2 goal leads to count since he's been coach. A 2 goal lead blown is a little more understandable, but it's happened too much.

 

[NJDevs26]

lol at Fayne being out after playing 20 minutes the other night (though one big mistake). I guess Fayne better start learning how to be a lefty to get in the lineup.

 

[I Hate Tie DOMI]

Oh no he didn't....


RG destroy him with the photoshop skillz.

 

[ajdevjet]

I honestly don't think he's the worst coach in the NHL. That's a mock at people who've said he's ''One of the best coaches in the NHL''

I however do believe that he's probably in the bottom 10, possibly even bottom 7.

I also believe he wasn't really that good in 11-12 (But he didn't make as many bad decisions that year) I think he just rode the coattails of Zach, Kovy, and Marty.

I give Pete until Christmas....if we are under .500 and still blowing 3 goal leads in the 3rd then Lou will be behind the bench again

 

[Emperoreddy]

lol did Lokti seriously get scratched over poor defensive play. Even when the defenseman played it worse than he did?

I still can't believe Gionta is a regular over JJ and Lokti. Oh well Pete will be Pete.

No he got scratched because Henrique moved back to center. So you have three centers, Elias, Zajac, Henrique. You wont play him on the 4th line and he can't play wing. That is why JJ is in and Loki is out.

 

[ajdevjet]

Being forechecked to death hasn't really been a problem for us yet, but we did spend a lot of time in our own end against Vancouver.

Keeping leads has been a big problem. That game against Edmonton was such a pissing away of 2 points. Blown leads have been a constant problem with Deboer. We've blown about eight 3 goal leads since he's been here. Including 2 in the playoffs. We have wound up winning almost half those games though. We've also blown too many 2 goal leads to count since he's been coach. A 2 goal lead blown is a little more understandable, but it's happened too much.[/QUOTE



Panthers also blew quite a few 2 and 3 goal leads when PDB was there....a very alarming trend......devs nuetral zone play has been embarassing at times this year especially vs the Isles

 

[SteveCangialosi123]

So a few mistakes that were partially other players' fault coupled with very good play other than that is benchworthy? I'd rather that than Henrique or zajac's invisibility. Lokti has been better than those 2. And Fayne out? Moronic.