Half Clapper
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You’re wrong and we can agree to disagree. The guy put up 20 pts in 27 games in the Khl ffs. I won’t be surprised if he ends up better than bedard
Value of: 5 first round picks vs Bedard
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The team that wins the lottery is getting Bedard. there is no realistic scenario were they trade that pick...
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With that exact package...Bedard.
If you could move 21, 26 and 30 for, say a pick in the 2-4 overall range, then I would consider it. Maybe.
Well if they did and there could be a conversation, I just don't see what team would.
I think in hindsight you could come up with a combination of 5 first round picks (even without a top10 pick) that would make you at least think very hard about trading the 1st OA for them, even when the 1st OA is McDavid, Crosby or Bedard. It would be even more of a sure thing (again in hindsight) if you could include any picks beyond the 1st round.
As an experiment I looked at the Crosby and McDavid drafts and chose 5 1st round picks (2 in the 11-20 range and 3 in the 21-30 range)
McDavid vs. Connor, Chabot (or Barzal), Boeser, Konecny, Beauvillier (or Samsonov)
Crosby vs. Kopitar, Hanzal, Rask, Oshie, Niskanen (or Cogliano)
Problem is, we don't have hindsight before the draft, and the gamble is too risky. Statistically it seems improbable, that a team would hit on enough of the picks to end up with an adequate haul.
If there is a prospect of this level available at 1st OA I would not like my odds in a gamble of quantity over quality, even in a draft that is considered deep.
As an experiment I looked at the Crosby and McDavid drafts and chose 5 1st round picks (2 in the 11-20 range and 3 in the 21-30 range)
McDavid vs. Connor, Chabot (or Barzal), Boeser, Konecny, Beauvillier (or Samsonov)
Crosby vs. Kopitar, Hanzal, Rask, Oshie, Niskanen (or Cogliano)
Problem is, we don't have hindsight before the draft, and the gamble is too risky. Statistically it seems improbable, that a team would hit on enough of the picks to end up with an adequate haul.
If there is a prospect of this level available at 1st OA I would not like my odds in a gamble of quantity over quality, even in a draft that is considered deep.
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Hm probably Bedard, but those lottery tickets are awfully tempting.
Somewhat off topic, but are you talking 5 firsts from them together, or including picks already owned by STL?
Somewhat off topic, but are you talking 5 firsts from them together, or including picks already owned by STL?
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That swings the pendulum the other way easily. Johnson was a pretty damn good player in his prime, I think people forget.
Two superstar centres, one (arguably two) superstar wingers and a decent top pairing d-man... I'd take that over Crosby any day.
The latter group AINEC.
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Isn't he outdoing Ovechkin at the same age? Of course Ovechkin is a physical monster, so it's hard to project Michkov the same way, but what he's doing is not only unusual, it's unprecedented.
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That is a lot more interesting then the OP. There is is bunch of Quality there. What would Michkov's value be if it wasn't for Vlads insatiable lust for destruction and he got play at the WJC? Fantilli is putting up one of the better NCAA freshmen season ever. Leo Carlson is looking great against men in the SHL. Benson & Smith look great as well. That could be most of a very good top 6...
There is a chance he could be a bust.... No one can predict with certainty that he'll flourish the same way he did in the O.
Just putting out the possibility. Everyone here seems to have him headed to stardom without having seeing a single game in the NHL.
Just putting out the possibility. Everyone here seems to have him headed to stardom without having seeing a single game in the NHL.
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Bedard and it doesn't really even come close. It would need to be a couple more top 5 picks included and the rest all top 10 to even pause to think about it.
Every player coming from Juniors - including Gretzky - was subject to the same level of scrutiny.
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Bedard is the answer.
You're also not getting a 1st for Vrana unless you're eating a really bad contract. His performance in St. Louis isn't all that unexpected, the reason he didn't/doesn't have trade value wasn't a lack of production.
You're also not getting a 1st for Vrana unless you're eating a really bad contract. His performance in St. Louis isn't all that unexpected, the reason he didn't/doesn't have trade value wasn't a lack of production.
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Hmmmm,
Potential generational player that could change the fate of a franchise while potentially making the owner 100's of millions of dollars over their career or a bunch of potential depth players?????
Sounds like a tough choice.
The value of the Oilers franchise has doubled since Mcdavid was drafted. There's no amount of players that can provide that value to an owner.
Potential generational player that could change the fate of a franchise while potentially making the owner 100's of millions of dollars over their career or a bunch of potential depth players?????
Sounds like a tough choice.
The value of the Oilers franchise has doubled since Mcdavid was drafted. There's no amount of players that can provide that value to an owner.
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Only futures are involved so if you team is already good its not on him to make the team good he just going to make it much better.
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Such a dumb offer.
It would be the dumbest offer in history with a strong draft like this year.
KingsFan7824
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Of course you take Bedard, and you live with whatever happens.
A more interesting question might be; as one of the bottom teams likeliest to get the top pick, do you trade the pick before the lottery for five 1sts?
But yeah, if you know you're getting Bedard, the only thing that makes you think of trading that pick, in any semi-reality based scenario, would be if you're getting a 26 year old McDavid with 3 years left. Maybe Makar? Even with McDavid though, that's an 8 year difference. That's 3 ELC years, plus potentially an 8 year 2nd contract, so you might have Bedard for 11 years at his best.
A more interesting question might be; as one of the bottom teams likeliest to get the top pick, do you trade the pick before the lottery for five 1sts?
But yeah, if you know you're getting Bedard, the only thing that makes you think of trading that pick, in any semi-reality based scenario, would be if you're getting a 26 year old McDavid with 3 years left. Maybe Makar? Even with McDavid though, that's an 8 year difference. That's 3 ELC years, plus potentially an 8 year 2nd contract, so you might have Bedard for 11 years at his best.
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