Post-Game Talk: #5 - 10/13/18 | oilers @ RANGERS | 1:00 - MSG

[ReggieDunlop68]

Point is Buch doesn't show any improvement from last year, when he was benched a lot under AV. And this seems to continue with Quinn.

Brooks is calling him out, and I have to agree.

Buch was only losing minutes due to AV’s Russian bias, so now he’s losing minutes because of Quinn’s over-admiration for New Zealanders.

Some people were even saying Ruff was sabotoging now that AV’s Russian bias is no longer applicable.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Does it make you feel better to put Buchnevich in the same sentence as generational talents like Crosby and Jagr?

You know, I heard Buchnevich and Gretzky have the same barber

You're completely missing the point, which isn't the first time

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Different players have different styles. Jagr was never the fastest player, nor the player with the most energy/hustle etc. But he still made it work. Buchnevich to a lesser degree is similar in the way he moves. There are certain players like Hagelin for instance, who made a career out of being the fastest player on the team. Great for him, but that doesn't apply to every player.

I just have a problem with people claiming players aren't trying hard enough. That's BS. At this level, players always give everything they can otherwise they won't be in the NHL. But with 15-20 shifts a game, you have to pick and choose when to go all out and when to preserve your energy a bit. Every smart player does this.

I see no similarities between Jagr and him.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Yeah, so, I’d be more inclined to accept such an answer without the 100+ games of inconsistency already under his belt

More like 100 games of Russian bias under his belt+5 more with a coach who doesnt have a Russian bias just as annoyed at him as the coach with a Russian bias.

 

[TheDirtyH]

They can't connect on East-West passes.

If I was Quinn, I'd drill the **** out of this. The showing the first 5 games from a passing perspective has been crap.

I was initially excited by Quinn because I watched a fair amount of his BU teams' games and I liked how they usually aimed to make shorter passes to gain the neutral zone, occasionally stretching it out if they weren't under pressure.

I haven't seen the structure from this team except with regard to boxing out the crease. They don't make passes to relieve pressure. They don't support the puck up or down the ice.

Certainly, we're just a bad team. But Montreal is a good comparable — four middle-six lines, and a pretty uninspiring blueline. Difference is those guys seem to know what they are. Hayes, Spooner, Buchnevich, and many on this team have a lot to work on with the kinds of passes they expect to receive and how to support their teammates.

 

[Synergy27]

I see no similarities between Jagr and him.

I mean, Jagr played at like 230 pounds or something like that. Buchevich isn't a little guy, but he's not even close to Jagr's size so I hope he has no plans of trying to play a Jagr style game.

I understand people's pro-Buchnevich bias around here. Prior to these last couple of drafts, this team was seriously starved for young talent. Buchnevich, a 3rd round pick, gave people hope that we might have lucked out for once and drafted our homegrown superstar. We didn't, but I understand the on-going hope.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

You're completely missing the point, which isn't the first time

When two coaches who cannot be more different both have problems with the compete level of a player, the point becomes clear as day. Open your eyes. Hopefully Buchnevich isn’t ignoring the issue like you.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I mean, Jagr played at like 230 pounds or something like that. Buchevich isn't a little guy, but he's not even close to Jagr's size so I hope he has no plans of trying to play a Jagr style game.

I understand people's pro-Buchnevich bias around here. Prior to these last couple of drafts, this team was seriously starved for young talent. Buchnevich, a 3rd round pick, gave people hope that we might have lucked out for once and drafted our homegrown superstar. We didn't, but I understand the on-going hope.

A pro-Buchnevich bias?

Sir if such a thing existed, then that opens up a whole can of worms about a plethora of other bullshit that was stated to reinforce an ANTI-Buch bias [aka AV’s Russian bias].

Now I’m not so sure Ruff is sabotoging this team.

 

[Synergy27]

A pro-Buchnevich bias?

Sir if such a thing existed, then that opens up a whole can of worms about a plethora of other bull**** that was stated to reinforce an ANTI-Buch bias [aka AV’s Russian bias].

Now I’m not so sure Ruff is sabotoging this team.

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Isn't "AV's Russian bias" a defense of Buchnevich, i.e., a pro-Buchnevich stance?

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Does it make you feel better to put Buchnevich in the same sentence as generational talents like Crosby and Jagr?

You know, I heard Buchnevich and Gretzky have the same barber

Is that similar to when a reach prospect shows “flashes of a young Lindros” while taking warmup shots into the boards before the game?

Also, a player who is in the state of “showing flashes” is ONLY allowed to be compared to a player woth a similar body type and most importantly the same nationality .

For example, if a prospect who was Russian did a Gretzky-like pass, he would be showing “flashes of Fedorov” even if it looked both if it looked liked a Fedorov pass.

Or if a 10 foot Canadian player who was very soft,yet had the snipe of Brett Hull, he would be showing “flashes of Lindros” or another power forward who is Canadian , so even if he played like Keith Tkachuk, he couldnt show flashe of Keith because Keith is an American.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Maybe I'm just misunderstanding? Isn't "AV's Russian bias" a defense of Buchnevich, i.e., a pro-Buchnevich stance?

Right.

AV’s Russian bias was the ANTI-Buch bias used to explain why AV played him less than 60 regulation minutes per game since he had an “expected” points per 60 of 198.

 

[Synergy27]

Right.

AV’s Russian bias was the ANTI-Buch bias used to explain why AV played him less than 60 regulation minutes per game since he had an “expected” points per 60 of 198.

You are making my head hurt tonight.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

You are making my head hurt tonight.

Ok sista child. gonna lay it out.

There was never a Russian bias, and every related notion to that bias in regard to Buch’s playtime or anything else that was extrapolated from that percieved bias in regard to other personel decisons or the inner monologue of AV were complete bullshit.

The can of worms I was refering to are at least 30,000 combined posts of lunacy over the course of the last 15 months just on HF boards alone let alone the rest of the sports web.

Luckily for many who would have their internet privaleges revoked [not just on HF boards; complete internet revokation due to spreading nonsense quicker than the swine flu], credibility doesnt seem to be an issue anymore, so it’s just who is screaming the loudest about whatever is trending that specific week.

 

[TheTakedown]

Sounds like a good thing with a developing team. They are on par with a team that had McDonagh, Nash, Miller, Grabner, etc while only in the first year of a rebuild.

Totally agreed. If they're going to be this "bad" of a team, I'd rather it be with some young developing guys rather than over the hill vets.

Rangers are in a position to get another 3-4 first round picks this upcoming draft. Hayes, Zucc are worth 1sts on their own. Names/Spooner/Vesey/McQuaid are worth mid round picks. Don't think shattenkirk is traded but it's a possibility

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Totally agreed. If they're going to be this "bad" of a team, I'd rather it be with some young developing guys rather than over the hill vets.

Rangers are in a position to get another 3-4 first round picks this upcoming draft. Hayes, Zucc are worth 1sts on their own. Names/Spooner/Vesey/McQuaid are worth mid round picks. Don't think shattenkirk is traded but it's a possibility

Better move them before the October 17th trade deadline.

 

[TheTakedown]

Outshot, outchanced, can't generate ****.

Not sure what's different.

I'd be more willing to put up with this "rebuild" if the team hadn't been a suppository to watch since the start of the 15-16 season.

No doubt, I agree with that. Could have sold for a f***ing boatload then

 

[chosen]

If Quinn doesn't call out the officials I'll lose all my respect for him.

Quinn quivers.

 

[chosen]

After 5 games. There is not much to be excited about this coach. Same old BS. Playing soft, no physicality, terrible offense, offensive players not producing. Where is the puck possession that was promised? Terrible puck possession. Cowardly healthy scratches of rookie Dmen, going with all 6 veteran Dmen that is some serious rebuild.

Now It's Quinn's fault. Why is it never about the personnel?

If AV leaves, the sun will rise and the world will glow.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Now It's Quinn's fault. Why is it never about the personnel?

If AV leaves, the sun will rise and the world will glow.

Look at who you're talking to haha

 

[chosen]

The Hayes missed call was not a regular split-second decision. That was blatant and around the puck. That was the worst non-call I can remember.

There is no gray.

 

[True Blue]

They formed a Huey Lewis and the News cover band.

Don't make fun of Huey. If this is it......

 

[True Blue]

They've put forth a great effort every game, often against top competition, usually led by the youth.

Agreed. The effort has been there.

Things that I like so far about Quinn is that unlike AV, he seems to be able to make adjustments to try to put his team into a better position to win games.

I have noticed that there is a lack of aggression in the offensive zone. Which leads to few PP opportunities. Not sure if it is by design or more of AV malaise left over.

 

[True Blue]

We need/deserve Jack Hughes

Under Bettman, even if the Rangers finish with the worse record in the league, they will be as far removed from the top pick as possible.

 

[chosen]

Look at who you're talking haha

I am talking that fans ALWAYS find fault with the coach even after those same fans rejoice that the team sucks so a rebuild can begin.

An awful lot of fans are not that consistent or bright.

The idea that EVERY fanbase rails about the coach and the refs when their team loses is an indictment of the logic of fans.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Now It's Quinn's fault. Why is it never about the personnel?

If AV leaves, the sun will rise and the world will glow.

It's amazing isn't it. What's worse this season is this roster isn't some rotting core that could be mistaken for good. The team stinks to high heaven on paper. There isn't a position player that sniffs the top 50 (or perhaps top 100) in the league.