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Post-Game Talk: #5 - 10/13/18 | oilers @ RANGERS | 1:00 - MSG

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ReggieDunlop68 said:
Buch was only losing minutes due to AV’s Russian bias, so now he’s losing minutes because of Quinn’s over-admiration for New Zealanders.

Some people were even saying Ruff was sabotoging now that AV’s Russian bias is no longer applicable.
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Well at least that nonsense is gone, if AV had a problem with Russians.

Namestnikov will get more minutes, I like his game.
 
"Why is the coach playing Tanner Glass? He is awful."

"WHY ARE WE ALWAYS BLAMING THE COACH AND NEVER THE ROSTER???"

"Tanner Glass is awful. He should not be on the roster."

"WHY COMPLAIN ABOUT THE ROSTER WHEN THERE ARE SO MANY OTHER PROBLEMS???"

"I think if we identify a problem we should want to see it fixed."

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To cite an overused phrase, Trust the Process.

Regardless of whether or not this front office has given you enough confidence that they can successfully complete a rebuild, at least they recognized that it needed to happen, and are doing something about it. Saying management is terrible and that they will screw up decisions before they even make them is a great way to completely ruin hockey for yourself. Sit back, relax, enjoy not having to schedule things around Rangers hockey for a while.

Either trust the process, or be miserable. Your choice.


also its 5 games in with a new coach. There really aren't any conclusions to be gained yet that we didn't already know
 
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Regarding Buch, he's clearly very talented and is still finding his game. He's shown flashes but I'm still waiting for him to produce when he's not with Kreider and Zibby. We're still only 5 games into his 3rd career NHL season though.. I'm not concerned about him at all. At WORST he ends up a 2nd/3rd line winger and PP specialist. He still has high end potential IMO and we could still see him breakout this year. He has 3 points in 5 games where he hasn't looked too good. How many points will he have when he hits his stride and goes on a streak? Patience.
 
Amazing Kreiderman said:
I just have a problem with people claiming players aren't trying hard enough. That's BS. At this level, players always give everything they can otherwise they won't be in the NHL. But with 15-20 shifts a game, you have to pick and choose when to go all out and when to preserve your energy a bit. Every smart player does this.
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There are tons of players who haven't tried enough. They flame out or fail to meet their potential, get benched, scratched, demoted, traded, etc. We aren't saying every shift has to be all out, that's a bit of a strawman you're making. We're saying that we've seen too much lackadaisical play and too many flaws that are flat out not improving. There's an acceptable level of energy preservation. There's also an unacceptable level of preserving energy. There's an acceptable level of invisible shifts, there's also an unacceptable level of way too many shifts without making anything happen.

He's borderline. I hope he starts being much more noticeable in all the little ways while continuing to find the score sheet.

Vinny DeAngelo said:
Buch being what he is for a 3rd round pick is amazing. You people need to calm down.
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No one really seems all that over-reactionary about this. Unless saying a player could do better is now considered a massive overreaction.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
When two coaches who cannot be more different both have problems with the compete level of a player, the point becomes clear as day. Open your eyes. Hopefully Buchnevich isn’t ignoring the issue like you.
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This is a point that is fair but you did miss the other point when you thought it was about legitimately comparing buch to all time talents.

chosen said:
The idea that EVERY fanbase rails about...the refs .
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Everyone has their biases. Depending on which bias it is, some people are better at hiding it and being objective than others.

I don't disagree necessarily with the thought but I think back to last week when you made excuses for the refs and crapped on people for commenting on the refs when they legitimately sucked. So it devalues this statement a bit.

Some coaches also legitimately deserve to get criticized. I hope that you are not suggesting that the fanbase was wrong to criticize AV just bc all coaches get criticized. Some coaches are unfairly criticized, others fairly, just like with refs.
 
True Blue said:
Under Bettman, even if the Rangers finish with the worse record in the league, they will be as far removed from the top pick as possible.
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I'd be shocked if the Rangers win even with the worst record.

What division rival gets a shot at a top pick this year? NJ, Philly and Carolina all had their turn. I think the Isles are due for another franchise center.
 
Claxton said:
I'd be shocked if the Rangers win even with the worst record.

What division rival gets a shot at a top pick this year? NJ, Philly and Carolina all had their turn. I think the Isles are due for another franchise center.
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That all depends on how quickly they are moving to Quebec, which hinges on when Seattle gets a team.
 
shinchanuuhh said:
This is a point that is fair but you did miss the other point when you thought it was about legitimately comparing buch to all time talents.



Everyone has their biases. Depending on which bias it is, some people are better at hiding it and being objective than others.

I don't disagree necessarily with the thought but I think back to last week when you made excuses for the refs and crapped on people for commenting on the refs when they legitimately sucked. So it devalues this statement a bit.

Some coaches also legitimately deserve to get criticized. I hope that you are not suggesting that the fanbase was wrong to criticize AV just bc all coaches get criticized. Some coaches are unfairly criticized, others fairly, just like with refs.
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I wrote a statement.

There are a batallion of posters throughout the fanbases here that believe their team is being jobbed by the refs and that their current coach blows.

Many here criticized every Rangers coach. Now that AV is gone, Quinn sucks. Before AV, Torts and Renney sucked. Note a pattern, here?

AV took the team to the finals, no matter the opinions of Rangers fans. Does that prove he is a great coach? No. Does it mean he's a bad coach? Absolutely not.

The coach isn't very important in hockey other than as a temporary culture change. At least he is worth a little. In baseball, a manager is worth nothing. Literally. Yet management keeps paying millions to managers who effect zero change in performance.

Rangers fans were upset about the way AV treated Buch. Now Quinn is being berated for the way he treats Buch. At what point does it become a possibility that Buch's performance might be a problem of his and not the coach?
 
Buchnevich is obviously the problem when two coaches with a very different style can't get him going.

Quinn mentioned he still has lauguage problems. If he only understands parts of what's being said during practice it would definitely be a major issue.
 
chosen said:
I wrote a statement.

There are a batallion of posters throughout the fanbases here that believe their team is being jobbed by the refs and that their current coach blows.

Many here criticized every Rangers coach. Now that AV is gone, Quinn sucks. Before AV, Torts and Renney sucked. Note a pattern, here?

AV took the team to the finals, no matter the opinions of Rangers fans. Does that prove he is a great coach? No. Does it mean he's a bad coach? Absolutely not.

The coach isn't very important in hockey other than as a temporary culture change. At least he is worth a little. In baseball, a manager is worth nothing. Literally. Yet management keeps paying millions to managers who effect zero change in performance.

Rangers fans were upset about the way AV treated Buch. Now Quinn is being berated for the way he treats Buch. At what point does it become a possibility that Buch's performance might be a problem of his and not the coach?
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You've just been brainwashed by AV.
 
Webster said:
Buchnevich is obviously the problem when two coaches with a very different style can't get him going.

Quinn mentioned he still has lauguage problems. If he only understands parts of what's being said during practice it would definitely be a major issue.
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I've heard† Quinn is fluent in Swahili, so why not Russian?

Russian bias maybe?




†He's not.
 
Quinn took Rosetta Stone.

Is there a hockey Rosetta Stone?

Universal words for forecheck, back check, work hard, avoid too many men changes, and toe drag to stay on side, and stop floating?
 
shinchanuuhh said:
That's a nice sentiment that I agree with to a degree. In ANY walk of life there are limits to how much people will tolerate when an individual behaves ridiculously
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This is a hockey board that's sole purpose is to talk hockey.
It intentionally provokes opinions of every kind so whether or not you're looking to bitch, whine or completely blow sunshine up people's asses, it's all relevant by design so that should never be a problem IMO.
If you dislike a poster for whatever reason and choose not to use the ignore feature then you're doing so by your own free will.
What may be ridiculous to one, may not be ridiculous to another...As crazy as that me be lol
 
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NYR said:
This is a hockey board that's sole purpose is to talk hockey.
It intentionally provokes opinions of every kind so whether or not you're looking to *****, whine or completely blow sunshine up people's asses, it's all relevant by design so that should never be a problem IMO.
If you dislike a poster for whatever reason and choose not to use the ignore feature then you're doing so by your own free will.
What may be ridiculous to one, may not be ridiculous to another...As crazy as that me be lol
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I agree with you to a point. There's commonly accepted limits. If one individual constantly pushes those limits then everyone will react negatively. If that person dislikes the constant negative reactions, it'd be on them to tone it down or put almost everyone on ignore.
 
shinchanuuhh said:
Why aren't you considering that they had the option to try and maintain a contender while still allowing themselves to easily extricate themselves from a failing situation? They did exactly that, using pieces of that contender to kick start the rebuild. This is a positive and yet you frame it as a negative.


I strongly suspect that the method you used to reach this conclusion is fundamentally flawed to a massive degree. I also suspect your definition of high end talent is flawed and I think it's wrong to ignore trades talent that becomes high end as well. The goal is to build a winner that contends for the cup, not find a gem at pick 26.
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The players didn't fail, management failed to bring in the right support in order to push them over the top.
They didn't even get rid of a coach that was completely tuned out and had no voice in the room.
Instead he brought in all the wrong players and that's more than evident by failing to even beat the worst teams in the league.
JG is a complete fkn clown in my eyes..
 
NYR said:
The players didn't fail, management failed to bring in the right support in order to push them over the top.
They didn't even get rid of a coach that was completely tuned out and had no voice in the room.
Instead he brought in all the wrong players and that's more than evident by failing to even beat the worst teams in the league.
JG is a complete fkn clown in my eyes..
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In regard to being Tort's Kinda Guys or AV's system?
 
shinchanuuhh said:
I agree with you to a point. There's commonly accepted limits. If one individual constantly pushes those limits then everyone will react negatively. If that person dislikes the constant negative reactions, it'd be on them to tone it down or put almost everyone on ignore.
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No offense to you, I like you as a poster but not everyone is going to feel all rosy after a loss or after a trade, especially after you look at in the age range on here.
There are some kids that view this team like they're playing EA Sports so not everyone is going to agree on everything all the time.
If you dislike content, choose to ignore.
It is what it is and to each is own IMO..
 
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