4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

[topshelf15]

Right so if that is a tangible skill, how is it measured?[/QUOTE]By winning???

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Could you point me to where someone said otherwise? ...I missed it.

Do you believe that Brady Tkachuk will routinely challenge for the Art Ross or Rocket Richard trophies? Do you believe that he's more likely to do so than Filip Zadina? I certainly do not, though surely Brady could excel in other areas and thereby become more valuable to his team. Trouble is, those things are nearly impossible to predict, where scoring touch is not. Most guys either have the skill to score in bunches or they do not.

Vanek never chased those trophies either and put up 40+ twice .. Its not like Zadina lit the Q on fire like its never been done, not even close. He'll be lucky to be similar to Vanek.. very good inside the blue line, very good on the PP. He has great edges , but lacks speed. He will need to correct the way he skates to change that.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Winning what? Hearts and minds? He won the U18. That's nice but it's pretty disappointing for the USNDTP to not win that tournament in most years.

So is the argument that forechecking is a tangible stat because of U18 gold?

 

[Solarion]

Vanek never chased those trophies either and put up 40+ twice .. Its not like Zadina lit the Q on fire like its never been done, not even close. He'll be lucky to be similar to Vanek.. very good inside the blue line, very good on the PP. He has great edges , but lacks speed. He will need to correct the way he skates to change that.

True. Zadina is not without warts, otherwise he'd have been taken off the boards 1 or 2. He is IMO the best pure goal scorer of the draft though and shouldn't have been on the board at #6.

Again, time will tell. If I'm a team that has trouble putting up goals and just lost a primary gun slinger(Hoffman), I'm drafting the guy that's most NHL ready and has the elite shot.

 

[topshelf15]

Winning what? Hearts and minds? He won the U18. That's nice but it's pretty disappointing for the USNDTP to not win that tournament in most years.

Well what exactly has been the one thing this team has been terrible at for the past few seasons???We are always outshot,and outscored,wonder how we can change this??

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

True. Zadina is not without warts, otherwise he'd have been taken off the boards 1 or 2. He is IMO the best pure goal scorer of the draft though and shouldn't have been on the board at #6.

Again, time will tell.

Tell us what exactly? That Zadina is a monumentally better goal scorer than Brady Tkachuk? We don't need time to tell us that, that's just a fact in the present.

 

[Solarion]

I agree, it is a fact and not opinion. All this intangibles/character talk seems like a way to justify taking a guy that should have been drafted later.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Well what exactly has been the one thing this team has been terrible at for the past few seasons???We are always outshot,and outscored,wonder how we can change this??

By not having a ton of big old and slow players up and down our line up who have few hockey skills. Putting more guys on the ice with speed and skill. Having a coach that values having the puck instead of handing it to the opposition so we can play more defense. Its not too complicated.

 

[coladin]

True. Zadina is not without warts, otherwise he'd have been taken off the boards 1 or 2. He is IMO the best pure goal scorer of the draft though and shouldn't have been on the board at #6.

Again, time will tell. If I'm a team that has trouble putting up goals and just lost a primary gun slinger(Hoffman), I'm taking the guy that's most NHL ready and has the elite shot.

Hossa went 12th, Karlsson 15th , Havlat can't recall...there is no guarantee that your pick will pan out, even for the likes of Svech and Dahlin. Time will certainly tell. It's just a draft and many factors will go into the development of these prized possessions.

Personally, super happy we skipped on Zadina, but he may turn out to be better, but still too early to say. Clearly his comments following the draft perhaps opened a few eyes to how he may have interviewed.

 

[topshelf15]

Meh,give me the possession driving winger that will keep oppositions pinned in their zone while generating scoring chances for...Rather than another Hoffman style winger

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Meh,give me the possession driving winger that will keep oppositions pinned in their zone while generating scoring chances for...Rather than another Hoffman style winger

Do you actually believe Zadina is a Hoffman style player? Because I'll tell you that is an awful comparison and you've obviously haven't watched him much. I think you can make a pretty good argument for Zadina being the better possession player too. He's better at almost everything. Well besides having a famous dad. Bradys got him beat there.

 

[Solarion]

Hossa went 12th, Karlsson 15th , Havlat can't recall...there is no guarantee that your pick will pan out, even for the likes of Svech and Dahlin. Time will certainly tell. It's just a draft and many factors will go into the development of these prized possessions.

Personally, super happy we skipped on Zadina, but he may turn out to be better, but still too early to say. Clearly his comments following the draft perhaps opened a few eyes to how he may have interviewed.

Come on man, there's no reason to state the obvious. We all know anyone can bust, just as we all know elite shooters are rare.

I think both Tkachuk and Zadina are likely to stick in the NHL. Both seem to have the skill and mental game to make it, the question is simply whose ceiling is higher. To me that seems pretty clear, but I respect those that disagree. Particularly those that can back up their opinion with something other than "intangibles/character" arguments.

 

[topshelf15]

By not having a ton of big old and slow players up and down our line up who have few hockey skills. Putting more guys on the ice with speed and skill. Having a coach that values having the puck instead of handing it to the opposition so we can play more defense. Its not too complicated.

Speed is nice ,but having players that actually use it and forecheck effectively is another...Skill are something all these top end players possess,BT included....Just because Brady,s defer over Zadina doesnt make him worth less

 

[topshelf15]

Di you actually believe Zadina is a Hoffman style player? Because I'll tell you that is an awful comparison and you've obviously haven't watched him much. I think you can make a pretty good argument for Zadina being the better possession player too. He's better at almost everything. Well besides having a famous dad. Bradys got him beat there.

Meh ,dont care but i wonder how much you overvalue junior numbers over other just as important skills

 

[Solarion]

Brady is worth less IMO because he's not as good at ice hockey as Filip Zadina. It's really really not that complicated.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Meh ,dont care but i wonder how much you overvalue junior numbers over other just as important skills

And I wonder if you've actually seen any of these players play hockey games.

 

[topshelf15]

Brady is worth less IMO because he's not as good at ice hockey as Filip Zadina. It's really really not that complicated.

Really???last time i checked it a contact sport...Lets see how good he is when he gets crushed or bullied out of the slot by an actual defender...Scoring goals in junior is far far different than scoring them in the pros

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Brady is worth less IMO because he's not as good at ice hockey as Filip Zadina. It's really really not that complicated.

Not to mention the 2019 class. So many better players than Tkachuk.

 

[topshelf15]

And I wonder if you've actually seen any of these players play hockey games.

Pro hockey games??Because as of right now i can see BT as being far closer to this than Zadina

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Do you actually believe Zadina is a Hoffman style player? Because I'll tell you that is an awful comparison and you've obviously haven't watched him much. I think you can make a pretty good argument for Zadina being the better possession player too. He's better at almost everything. Well besides having a famous dad. Bradys got him beat there.

Have you met Mr. Zadina?

 

[Solarion]

Really???last time i checked it a contact sport...Lets see how good he is when he gets crushed or bullied out of the slot by an actual defender...Scoring goals in junior is far far different than scoring them in the pros

Think I'm with FQL here...I don't think you've seen Zadina tape at all...he's not a soft perimeter sniper.

 

[topshelf15]

Think I'm with FQL here...I don't think you've seen Zadina tape at all...he's not a soft perimeter sniper.

Oh so he is a hard one, that will be willing to grind it out to make something happen??Or take a punch in the face to establish position in front of the net???

 

[Masked]

According to Mike Morreale, Tkachuk will decide between returning to Boston or signing with the Senators by August 12th.

Since he previously stated he'd be staying in college, he's probably going pro.

 

[topshelf15]

Dont know why people are so dont on him,yes yes Zadina is a nice prospect,but we needed mean, skilled and willing to drive the forwards to the net....And we drafted him

 

[Solarion]

Oh so he is a hard one, that will be willing to grind it out to make something happen??Or take a punch in the face to establish position in front of the net???

Yes actually. He didn't rack up 20 goals in international tournaments by being afraid to get his nose dirty. lol

Seriously, go watch tape of Zadina play. You're clearly unfamiliar with his game.

Dont know why people are so dont on him,yes yes Zadina is a nice prospect,but we needed mean, skilled and willing to drive the forwards to the net....And we drafted him

I'm not down on him(Brady) at all. I'm a little miffed at Dorion for not taking the BPA with a #4 overall. That's no reflection on BT.