4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

[Nac Mac Feegle]

...ummm anyone that loves great hockey? Is this a trick question?

This is a Tkachuk thread, not a let's look at all prospects in the world thread.

 

[2XPRO31]

On the topic of next year.. I think it's best for his development to go back to Boston to play a big role for the Terriers, get another crack at the WJC and hopefully join a Belleville team that makes the playoffs at the end of the season.

 

[Solarion]

This is a Tkachuk thread, not a let's look at all prospects in the world thread.

lol I was looking at the prospect most Sens fans here seemed to favor with that pick actually...not "all prospects in the world", but yeah I know, hyperbole is a thing.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I used to be like you. I used to jump on anyone who criticized a decision made by the team, and I considered myself a good fan for doing so. Time and maturity has changed that.

I'm not going to pretend that Tkachuk was a good pick because we took him. I'd rather be accurate in judgements about the decisions of this hockey club than blindly support anything they do in the name of being a good fan.

I'll voice my concerns when they make a decision I disagree with (like selecting Tkachuk 4th) and offer praise when they do something I agree with (like trading down and getting JBD and Tychonick at 26 and 48).

Fair enough. Personally I think you're trying really hard to back the other guys in spite of what everyone else says. I could hazard a few guesses why you do this, but screw it, you do you, it's all good.

Personally I think BT has the potential to be a franchise player for this team, and I'll take that everyday all day over a good scoring winger.

BT wasn't a good pick because we took him, he's a good pick because he was a consensus top 3-4 pick by all scouting accounts. Having said that, I'm content to be stoked for now and wait for his play to do the talking.
[mod]

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Fair enough. Personally I think you're trying really hard to back the other guys in spite of what everyone else says. I could hazard a few guesses why you do this, but screw it, you do you, it's all good.

Personally I think BT has the potential to be a franchise player for this team, and I'll take that everyday all day over a good scoring winger.

BT wasn't a good pick because we took him, he's a good pick because he was a consensus top 3-4 pick by all scouting accounts. Having said that, I'm content to be stoked for now and wait for his play to do the talking.

By the way, you didn't mature, you just got bitter.

Why in your eyes can't a goal scoring winger be a franchise player? Do you not value goal scoring?

 

[RAFI BOMB]

How would you compare Dylan Larkin to Brady Tkachuk? They have somewhat comparable production.

Brady Tkachuk

PLAYER STATISTICS

S	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-	POST	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2014-15	St. Louis AAA Blues U16	T1EHL U16	30	15	28	43	18		|	Playoffs	4	2	0	2	4
2015-16	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	32	4	4	8	36	-29	|
	U.S. National U17 Team	USDP	55	9	16	25	56		|
	USA U17	WHC-17	5	2	3	5	4		|
2016-17	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	24	12	11	23	73	3	|
	U.S. National U18 Team	USDP	61	25	29	54	129		|
	USA U18 “C”	WJC-18	7	1	6	7	12	5	|
2017-18	Boston Univ.	NCAA	40	8	23	31	61	15	|
	USA U20	WJC-20	7	3	6	9	2	6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Dylan Larkin

PLAYER STATISTICS

S	TEAM	LEAGUE	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-	POST	GP	G	A	TP	PIM	+/-

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

2011-12	Belle Tire U16 “C”	T1EHL U16	20	13	7	20	16		|
2012-13	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	37	7	7	14	40	-21	|
	U.S. National U17 Team	USDP	55	13	14	27	54		|
	USA U17	WHC-17	6	2	5	7	6		|
2013-14	USNTDP Juniors	USHL	26	17	9	26	24	13	|
	U.S. National U18 Team	USDP	60	31	25	56	56		|
	USA U18 “A”	WJC-18	6	2	2	4	2	3	|
2014-15	Univ. of Michigan	NCAA	35	15	32	47	38	18	|
	Grand Rapids Griffins	AHL	0	0	0	0	0	0	|	Playoffs	6	3	2	5	6	-1
	USA U20	WJC-20	5	5	2	7	4	7	|

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

*NOTE: Tkachuk's NCAA and WJC-20 production is prior to being drafted. Dylan Larkin's NCAA and WJC-20 production is the season after he was drafted.

 

[Icelevel]

It's not shocking that Tkachuk isn't much of a goal scorer - kid doesn't have a great shot. Can't beat goalies clean like a Zadina-type sniper. Scores most of his goals within a few feet of the net.

He'll definitely score at least 10-20G a year in the NHL because of how much time he spends around the net, but don't expect 30G a year from him or anything like that.

10 goals would be extremely disappointing. Id guess more like 20-30

 

[Langdon Alger]

10 goals would be extremely disappointing. Id guess more like 20-30

I’ll go 15-25. I see him being a 45-55 point kind of guy, but hopefully he can do better than that. 60-70 points would be great while adding some nastiness. No doubt he’s going to be a pain to play against.

 

[Icelevel]

Another interesting question would be,
Who is more likely to be an nhl captain, tkachuk or zadina?

Why? And...is this relevant?

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Fair enough. Personally I think you're trying really hard to back the other guys in spite of what everyone else says. I could hazard a few guesses why you do this, but screw it, you do you, it's all good.

Personally I think BT has the potential to be a franchise player for this team, and I'll take that everyday all day over a good scoring winger.

BT wasn't a good pick because we took him, he's a good pick because he was a consensus top 3-4 pick by all scouting accounts. Having said that, I'm content to be stoked for now and wait for his play to do the talking.
[mod]

Sigh, I miss the days when our franshise players were elite level talents. And not just really good complimentary guys.

 

[bert]

So? Who the hell cares about that kid now?

Considering he is in the division and the sens passed on him when he was the obvious choice were likely gonna have to care about Zadina quite a bit.

 

[bert]

Another interesting question would be,
Who is more likely to be an nhl captain, tkachuk or zadina?

Why? And...is this relevant?

Chances of either of them being an NHL captain are both highly unlikely... I dont really understand your point here. Trying to scout 18 year olds based on the idea they might be an NHL captain over pure skill is probably the worst idea i have heard in a long time as one is so much easier to identify.

 

[Viletho]

Another interesting question would be,
Who is more likely to be an nhl captain, tkachuk or zadina?

Why? And...is this relevant?

I cannot say who is most likely but it seems Tkachuk as been a leader everywhere he went.

It was Pierre Mcguire who said that at draft day, he met Shane Bowers. He talk to him and ask him why was he in Dallas. Bowers told him that he was there to cheer for is great teammate and friend BT. I guess Tkachuk is a great leader.

But, you don't draft someone because he his captain material.

If both player are close in skill, which the Sens believe it seems,( at least, that's what Trent Mann said ) then i think it can become relevant.

 

[NyQuil]

The "Curtis Lazar Experience" (sounds like a progressive rock band from the 70's) really soured me on evaluating players based on their personalities or how they conduct themselves in an interview or how likeable they are.

That being said, Tkachuk certainly has more talent than Curtis and was ranked substantially higher.

 

[stempniaksen]

If EM is still the owner, he’s for sure returning to Boston this year, why would he want to be part of this mess? He basically be the only “improvement” the 30th place team made.

$$$

 

[topshelf15]

Hope we sign him,and play him with Brown in the ahl ,and let those two wreck that league

 

[Tuna99]

I don't like how this is playing out - an 18 year old is dictating to the NHL club what he is doing and it should be the other way around. Ottawa seems to be an observer in the most important player they have drafted since EK and he seems to be telling them what he is doing instead of Ottawa dictating his development.

Not a fan of this optics wise, seems Brady Tkachuk is a big deal for an 18 year old.

 

[Cat Herder]

I don't like how this is playing out - an 18 year old is dictating to the NHL club what he is doing and it should be the other way around. Ottawa seems to be an observer in the most important player they have drafted since EK and he seems to be telling them what he is doing instead of Ottawa dictating his development.

Not a fan of this optics wise, seems Brady Tkachuk is a big deal for an 18 year old.

WHAT???

Every college prospect chooses where they will play during college eligibility

 

[Sensung]

I don't like how this is playing out - an 18 year old is dictating to the NHL club what he is doing and it should be the other way around. Ottawa seems to be an observer in the most important player they have drafted since EK and he seems to be telling them what he is doing instead of Ottawa dictating his development.

Not a fan of this optics wise, seems Brady Tkachuk is a big deal for an 18 year old.

Brady is 100% within his rights to make this decision based on the advice he gets from all parties, including the Sens.

 

[topshelf15]

I don't like how this is playing out - an 18 year old is dictating to the NHL club what he is doing and it should be the other way around. Ottawa seems to be an observer in the most important player they have drafted since EK and he seems to be telling them what he is doing instead of Ottawa dictating his development.

Not a fan of this optics wise, seems Brady Tkachuk is a big deal for an 18 year old.

TBH him playing in junior would be a step back from the NCAA,so its 3 options..Go back to school, or sign his ELC ,and play either in the NHL or the AHL...The latter seems to be the best choice,if we are going to actually ice a decent team in Belleville that is

 

[Solarion]

The "Curtis Lazar Experience" (sounds like a progressive rock band from the 70's) really soured me on evaluating players based on their personalities or how they conduct themselves in an interview or how likeable they are.

That being said, Tkachuk certainly has more talent than Curtis and was ranked substantially higher.

All true, and I said the same a few posts back. Lazar was a bust and BT is very unlikely to bust...heck I'm a fan of Brady's game...just not a fan of drafting him 4th overall. Brady's game looks like an easy translation to the NHL to me...just not with elite production.

There's a comparison to Dylan Larkin above, which is somewhat fair...though Larkin was drafted 15th overall not 4th. If Tkachuk turns into Dylan Larkin 2.0 as far as production and team leadership attributes are concerned I'd be happy, but even then he'll likely not be as valuable to his team...being on the wing.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

Would prefer him to sign and play in London but ultimately, its reasonable for him to leverage his college eligibility into a trade over the next few years if he doesn't wanna play here.

He doesn't have a ton of upside so whatever happens will be a big old helping of meh. Gets dealt for a 2nd + prospect a year from now? Meh. Plays in Belleville and becomes a 2nd line playmaking winger? Meh.

Would be funny though if he got dealt. Dorion sold out the future to take him and if he leaves that'd really be icing on the cake of his legacy as one of the all time worst GMs.

 

[Solarion]

If BT translates into a 2nd and a prospect a year from now...then that's a fail...unless the prospect in question is truly amazing...and that's not going to happen.

For me, watching Brady's development will be fun, but expectations should be tempered. He's not likely to light the NHL ablaze, but watching kids that work their tail off and pot some greasy goals as a result can be just as entertaining(to me).

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Would prefer him to sign and play in London but ultimately, its reasonable for him to leverage his college eligibility into a trade over the next few years if he doesn't wanna play here.

He doesn't have a ton of upside so whatever happens will be a big old helping of meh. Gets dealt for a 2nd + prospect a year from now? Meh. Plays in Belleville and becomes a 2nd line playmaking winger? Meh.

Would be funny though if he got dealt. Dorion sold out the future to take him and if he leaves that'd really be icing on the cake of his legacy as one of the all time worst GMs.

If this was 2010 and someone asked me if we wanted out top pick/prospect playing in London in his draft+1 year, it would be an enthusiastic yes before you could finish the sentence. But the last couple of seasons...we're starting to see a subtle shift. More and more top kids are staying in Jr A and going the NCAA route. College is getting stronger, while the CHL feels like it's starting to fall behind a bit.

I'm not sure what the solution is, but the super teams like London aren't quite the slam dunk they used to be.

 

[slamigo]

I don't like how this is playing out - an 18 year old is dictating to the NHL club what he is doing and it should be the other way around. Ottawa seems to be an observer in the most important player they have drafted since EK and he seems to be telling them what he is doing instead of Ottawa dictating his development.

Not a fan of this optics wise, seems Brady Tkachuk is a big deal for an 18 year old.

Huh? He has no contract. He has every right to decide his development route. The moment he signs a contract and accepts money, then the club can tell him what to do.