4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

[Cosmix]

Not meaning any disrespect to Kelly, but his biggest contribution to the Sens was lending Alfie his skates.

Minus 1 to credibility
Plus 1 to entertainment value

 

[Ice-Tray]

Minus 1 to credibility
Plus 1 to entertainment value

Hey now, those skates changed Alfie's career path and led to some our best years! Also, that wasn't meant to be knock on Battleship Kelly

 

[aragorn]

Bowers is 4 months older and had the same season. Should we be expecting him to become a great player like tkachuk? lol. this was a bad pick. I don't understand scouts love with size and character.it's high end skill that wins games not character. he also got overrated because of his name.

Who is to say Bowers was a bad pick? They used it to acquire Duchene so Col must have seen something in him to want him & he was ranked as a late 1st rder right around where Ottawa picked him.

Tkachuk has skill, every bio on him says so which is another reason he was ranked so high. If all he had was character & size he would have been much lower in the rankings. Just because they didn't pick the guy you wanted doesn't mean Tkachuk won't be a productive player for Ottawa. Sour grapes is all it is.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Sens brass needs to realize size and toughness matter less and less in the new NHL. Tired of seeing us waste 1st round picks.

 

[aragorn]

Zadina on Canadiens, Senators: 'I’m going to fill their nets with pucks' - Sportsnet.ca

Detroit also took Anthony Mantha after Ottawa selected Lazar were you upset about that too? I was.

 

[Deku]

So we will be trading Tkachuk to Detroit!?

For Zadina

 

[Uchiha]

Interesting to see if he’s in the NHL next season. Does he put up more points than Mathew?

 

[Cosmix]

Hey now, those skates changed Alfie's career path and led to some our best years! Also, that wasn't meant to be knock on Battleship Kelly

I know.

I never refer to Chris Kelly as “Battleship” because I remember another Kelly nicknamed Battleship:

Legends of Hockey -- NHL Player Search -- Player -- Bob Kelly

 

[OttawaSenators11]

Detroit also took Anthony Mantha after Ottawa selected Lazar were you upset about that too? I was.

I was mad about that as well and was told i am not a scout and to shut my mouth.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Who is to say Bowers was a bad pick? They used it to acquire Duchene so Col must have seen something in him to want him & he was ranked as a late 1st rder right around where Ottawa picked him.

Tkachuk has skill, every bio on him says so which is another reason he was ranked so high. If all he had was character & size he would have been much lower in the rankings. Just because they didn't pick the guy you wanted doesn't mean Tkachuk won't be a productive player for Ottawa. Sour grapes is all it is.

No one is denying that Tkachuk isn't skilled. It's just that there are different tiers of skill. Tkachuk isn't of the skill level to be the driver on his line. His game is best suited if he was ideally the third best player on his line. Where he can make space and wreck chaos without slowing his linemates down. He is smart, skilled, complimentary and diverse enough that he could play with any play style.

So I love Tkachuk as a piece, he is the type of player you need to insulate your stars with.

But with the 4th overall pick you try to get a star not a Tkachuk.

Any line where Tkachuk is the best offensive player isn't going to be a line that can score consistently.

 

[aragorn]

Sens brass needs to realize size and toughness matter less and less in the new NHL. Tired of seeing us waste 1st round picks.

Tired of reading posts like this when it's clear on every scouting report & every article that you read about him that Tkachuk has a high skill set that people seem to want to ignore as well as having the intangibles. Even the guru of hockey around here Bobby Mac says so. Isn't that better to be a complete well rounded hockey player & not just known as a one dimensional skilled player? Hoffman was a one dimensional goal scoring sniper & people wanted him moved because he sucked defensively before the nonsense was reported.

Zadina looks like he can play a 200' game & will probably become a good NHL player, they are both good & Ottawa would do well with either of them. One may get slightly more pts while the other will make the players around him better & they should be better for it. For some it's all about pts it seems & the intangibles of the game are not important to them at all.

All the praise goes to the guy scoring the goal & the guy who took the punishment in front of the net screening the goalie making that goal possible gets nothing for it on here. It's interesting how people view things. How many times have we seen a winning faceoff lead to a GWG or digging the puck out of the corner lead to a GWG. Intangibles lead to winning games too & it's just not the guy who scores the goal. It should never be all about pts but about the BPA judged on all their qualities.

 

[aragorn]

No one is denying that Tkachuk isn't skilled. It's just that there are different tiers of skill. Tkachuk isn't of the skill level to be the driver on his line. His game is best suited if he was ideally the third best player on his line. Where he can make space and wreck chaos without slowing his linemates down. He is smart, skilled, complimentary and diverse enough that he could play with any play style.

So I love Tkachuk as a piece, he is the type of player you need to insulate your stars with.

But with the 4th overall pick you try to get a star not a Tkachuk.

Any line where Tkachuk is the best offensive player isn't going to be a line that can score consistently.

Actually almost everybody is denying that Tkachuk is skilled & that he was drafted for character, name recognition, size & toughness. Look I agree that he probably won't put up the amount of pts that Zadina could, that's possible. Where I disagree with you is that what Tkachuk brings to the table could very well help the other players on his line be better than they would be without him. It doesn't matter if he isn't the best player on his line, it would be a great line if that were the case, it's more important that he helps the players on his line be better than they would be without him. This is still a team game & not about individuals, Tkachuk is the kind of player that makes everyone around him play better & bigger.

IMO he will help a player like Brown be more aggressive than he normally would, he will go to the dirty areas & get him the puck more & help him to produce more. While Tkachuk himself may not get "the numbers" himself people are crying about, IMO he will help everyone else increase their numbers & be a complete team player & a much better all around player. For me it's not about the numbers as it is for you & so many on here, it's about making the players around him better & making the team better & winning more games. IMO he will do this much better than Zadina will but it's possible Zadina will out score him, I accept that & don't care.

 

[aragorn]

Hoffman scored more goals that Stone has but Stone makes everyone he plays with better & is more important to the team. Hoffman is a goal scoring sniper but he sucks defensively, doesn't seem like a team player & could be more concerned about his own achievements than that of the team. Stone seems like a consummate team player & leads in a number of intangible qualities like take-aways, playmaking, & defensive reliability. Other aspects of the game that are important & help teams to win games. It's not just about the pts as so many on here think it is & keep bringing up as being more important.

 

[albator71]

I was mad about that as well and was told i am not a scout and to shut my mouth.

But really who cares if you mad, you are not the scout, you are just a fan, you're not in charge of scouting? why are you mad all the time bro?

 

[albator71]

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[HF Reader]

Hoffman - 0.67ppg 0.31gpg

Stone - 0.81ppg 0.31gpg

Stone is the better offensive player, it's not his intangibles, his offense is better along with every other part of his game. He makes everyone better because of his I.Q and offensive ability, not his character and intangibles.

How do you know Stone's role in the dressing room, motivating others, etc.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

How do you know Stone's role in the dressing room, motivating others, etc.

Who is claiming to? He said Stone is a good offensive player because of his skills and hockey IQ.

 

[BK201]

Guys i just have to say the idea Tkachuk was drafted on name is crazy. Nhl central scouting mid term ranks had 1)Svechnikov 2)Zadina 3) Tkachuk 4) Hughes 5) Bouchard for top 5 NA skaters.

He was litterally picked at the consensus ranking if you look across most published scouting lists.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Hoffman - 0.67ppg 0.31gpg

Stone - 0.81ppg 0.31gpg

Stone is the better offensive player, it's not his intangibles, his offense is better along with every other part of his game. He makes everyone better because of his I.Q and offensive ability, not his character and intangibles.

Come on now, his character is important to the team, you know it, we all know it. Let's not confuse intangibles to mean stuff that doesn't happen on the ice, intangibles include his motor, his drive, his infectious excitement, all of which affects his teammates' play.

On it's own it has value of course, but the real value of intangibles is when you add them to impressive skills, it's what sets two players with a similar levels of skills apart. If you add in that Stone is apparently a vocal leader on the team and you have to admit that it starts to matter even more. It's not the only thing that matters, but we all know it matters.

 

[aragorn]

Interesting to see if he’s in the NHL next season. Does he put up more points than Mathew?

I'd be surprised if Brady played in the NHL next yr, not saying it's not possible I just think it might be better for him to either go back to college to play or play a yr with the London Knights to further along his development.

I would also think that maybe Brown plays in the AHL for either parts of next yr or the full season for the same reason to further along his develop. The following yr they could both be in a better position to help the team together along with maybe Batherson & Formenton. Also at that point Ottawa could have cleared some space from their roster to fit in a few young guys.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

NHL Scout from a Western Conference team said the following about Tkachuk:


Scouting 2018 NHL draft prospect Brady Tkachuk

Man, I hope they can convince him to go to London. It'd be really fun to see him play with Formenton and get used to the grind of a long season.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Could have drafted Galchenyuk, but chose Max Domi .

 

[slamigo]

I've been filled with hope and a good mood since this pick.

 

[Micklebot]

Man, I hope they can convince him to go to London. It'd be really fun to see him play with Formenton and get used to the grind of a long season.

I'd like to see him in London too, though it would probably exaggerate the comparisson to Mathew, and people will contrast their respective seasons which would be a bit of apples and oranges with Brady a year older, and Mathew likely having higher talent linemates.