4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

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Ice-Tray

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Duchene is a high-skill, high-speed, high-offense player. As a prospect, he was much closer to Zadina than Tkachuk, so that comparison doesn't hold up.

We were losing to Toronto 15 years ago, and lost to Anaheim 11 years ago. The league has changed. Gary Roberts would not be the same player today, and our "soft, skilled" teams with Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, etc would thrive.

It's why players like Hischier, Makar, Petersson, Hughes, etc are being drafted so high. Speed and skill are at a premium. Not character.

Besides, there's no guarantee that Tkachuk doesn't get engaged to a girl who ends up feuding with Chabot's future wife, right? Character is such a useless buzzword. If you're North American and over 6'1, you have "character".

Gary Roberts would absolutely dominate this league now. Hehe wouldn't have to deal with the heavy clutchy players anymore.

BT is big, strong, relentless, is fast, good skater, good playmaker, High IQ, soft hands, good puck skills, fearless, strong leader. He wasn't ranked by everyone as a top 5 pick based on intangibles alone.

"not character" lol look what teams make the finals, what team's win the cup. They are choked full of character. Again, BT has speed, skill, AND character.

Haters gonna hate as usual, this is the Sens board after all, it's what we do.
 

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You mean when we drafted players that led the sens to the only cup finals theyve been to? When they made it a couple conference finals? And that was the old nhl. Its all about skill and skating these days. Its a lot easier trading skill for grit then the other way around

People are worried and rightly so bc of lazar cowen and a bunch of other first rounder busts that were drafted because of size or character, while teams like tampa caps and pens draft skill and win.
But Tkachuk is skilled, it says so on every bio I read about him, highly skilled that's what most bios & scouts are saying, he was ranked in the top 5 most of the yr. You can't say he's not skilled when so many "experts" say he is, one of you is wrong. Zibanejad was skilled, Prince was skilled & a ton of other players & they are all gone. Skill & skating are important, no question & Tkachuk has both along with all the intangibles, it's a pick that has something for everyone.
 

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Rome was not built in a day. Every team is in the same boat, some of these guys will pan out & some will not. Every player gets older every yr, every team has veterans who are aging & lots of good older players around the league are on their way out. Some will reach or exceed their potential & some will not. That's just the way it is with every yr & with every draft, some of us prefer to look at the Sens prospect list with a "glass half full" attitude as opposed to a "glass half empty". Who knows what will happen & who will step out or who will not. Why focus on the negative?

For those that keep complaining about not having a first rd pick next yr may be the same people who complained about not having a 2nd rd pick in this draft. Low & behold Ottawa trades down four spots & gets a 2nd rd pick in return. They have an entire yr to acquire a first rd pick for next yr with lots of assets to deal with in the organization to acquire one should they wish to make a deal for one whether it's in the top 10 or later will depend on what they decide to trade. IMO Ottawa has a decent list of prospects at almost every position & while some of them may not be elite, some may surprise & you need players for every line & every pairing & they added to that this weekend. No team has elite players at every position & every team only has a couple or few of them. Ottawa has an opportunity that a couple of theirs have that potential same as everybody else. Tkachuk may never become an elite player but he could push Brown or someone else to be which is every bit as good.

Chabot, Brown, Batherson, Formenton, Chlapik, Tkachuk, Paul, Gagne, Luchuk, Jaros, Wolanin, Harpur, Englund, Lajoie, Docker, Tychonick, Gustavsson, Hogberg & others. That's almost an entire team, I prefer to be optimistic about this group.

I don't think it's really just focusing on the negative, rather than identifying the potential negative in hopes to better the team. I've stopped convincing myself over the years that certain Ottawa players are good (or are going to be good) just because they are on my favorite team and I want them to be good.
 

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You mean when we drafted players that led the sens to the only cup finals theyve been to? When they made it a couple conference finals? And that was the old nhl. Its all about skill and skating these days. Its a lot easier trading skill for grit then the other way around

People are worried and rightly so bc of lazar cowen and a bunch of other first rounder busts that were drafted because of size or character, while teams like tampa caps and pens draft skill and win.

Funny that you used Tampa, Pens, and Caps as your examples.... Hedman, Stamkos, Crosby, Malkin, Ovetchkin, Backstrom, are not exactly players of the same calibre as this year's draft. But you are right, we should have drafted a Hedman instead of Cowen, and a Malkin instead of Zibanejad, and Definitely Stamkos instead of Lazar.

I wish you were the head of scouting for our team, what a team we could have been then we could have also avoid those skilless first rounders like Chabot and Brown, and those later skilled guys like Formenton and Batherson.
 
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Im stoked about this pick now.

if im a betting man I have Zadina busting before Tkachuk. If tkachuk cant score goals he will be a big help in other areas of the game and can be used it any situation

If Zadinas shot doesnt transfer well to the nhl and his nhl hockey IQ isnt there (Yakupov), he becomes close to useless.


My only issue is im not sure if we should take a chance and play him on the big team next year and maybe it will effect his development but we might need him to be competitive because our lack of a first round pick next year

Im willing to bet if we deal Karlsson, hes not gonna play in the NHL next year but if we keep karl our team will definitely need all the help we can get to make the playoffs and Tkachuk will play.
 

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But Tkachuk is skilled, it says so on every bio I read about him, highly skilled that's what most bios & scouts are saying, he was ranked in the top 5 most of the yr. You can't say he's not skilled when so many "experts" say he is, one of you is wrong. Zibanejad was skilled, Prince was skilled & a ton of other players & they are all gone. Skill & skating are important, no question & Tkachuk has both along with all the intangibles, it's a pick that has something for everyone.

“Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”
 

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In the new NHL you win games with top 6 forwards, which Tkachuk is not. Especially playoff games. You need to score goals. Who will score goals in Sens uniform now? "Character" is nothing more but tough upbringing. Any psychologist will tell you this. Sometimes abusive upbringing, when parents are harsh on their kids. Canadian juniors with hazing and initiations made many times news headlines. Fighting in locker rooms is a normal appearance. Coaches sometimes are abusive too. People routinely misjudge character with desensitized behavior. Which Tkachuk is already showing.

This is one of the funniest posts I've ever read
 

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If there were any doubt, Dorion fully seems to want/expect Brady to be in Ottawa next year. Not sure how I feel about that myself.

Want yes as the team needs help now but all of us want that. Expect, Dorion was non-committal when asked the question. I do not expect Tkachuk to make the team next season but instead to play in college or OHL. I think he is one year away and needs time to develop further, particularly goal scoring. He will be given the opportunity to show his game at the prospects camp and possibly training camp unless his college eligibility prevents that.
 

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“Lazar is a gritty and hard-working 200-foot player that also has some high-end offensive ability,” says Ross MacLean, head scout for International Scouting Services. “He’s a very good linear skater with good hands and a strong release on his shot, making him a very dangerous shooting option off the rush. He is intelligent around the net, has good vision and can set up in the perimeter effectively as well. Lazar is an all-situations capable player who has the skill to compete against top opposition and always seems to up his game when the stakes get higher. I would expect him to start putting up some significantly higher offensive numbers the remainder of his junior career.”
What's your point? We could both show examples to support our point of view all day long (Yakopov & Filatov come to mind). Tkachuk played his freshman yr against a lot of players that were much older (20 to 25 yr olds) in the NCAA, in junior the oldest guys are 20 yr olds & he had a good freshman yr by all accounts. I have no idea if he will ever hit 60 pts in the NHL, personally, I doubt it, but I'm quite sure he will help everybody else play better & bigger & help this team win games & IMO that is every bit as important.
 

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Painting a rosy picture on draft day. It seems many teams have this happy-face attitude bordering on smugness at the draft as they “outwit” the other teams with their canny picks.

My preference would be Zadina but Tkachuk was my next preference so the Senators did not stray far from what appears to have been the pre-draft consensus.

It is the second pick that was odd and off the board which I think is likely going to be a mistake. There were other players available that I would have preferred including Veleno, Noel, and Miller. Only hindsight (the future) will determine who is correct. I remember the Senators passing on Mantha and Tolvanen.
 

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What's your point? We could both show examples to support our point of view all day long (Yakopov & Filatov come to mind). Tkachuk played his freshman yr against a lot of players that were much older (20 to 25 yr olds) in the NCAA, in junior the oldest guys are 20 yr olds & he had a good freshman yr by all accounts. I have no idea if he will ever hit 60 pts in the NHL, personally, I doubt it, but I'm quite sure he will help everybody else play better & bigger & help this team win games & IMO that is every bit as important.

Bowers is 4 months older and had the same season. Should we be expecting him to become a great player like tkachuk? lol. this was a bad pick. I don't understand scouts love with size and character.it's high end skill that wins games not character. he also got overrated because of his name.
 
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Hes going to Toronto to work out with Gary Roberts and his bro this summer. The kids gonna make the team the team easily imo, and I dont think it will be a concern because hes going to get to play with good players, and not get buried on the 4th line (Boucher is going to be on an ultra short leash).

He's great buddies with Logan Brown and Colin White too. This management group knows that this team needs a breath of fresh air and some positive vibes. There will be nothing more refreshing for the fans to see then our young prospects smiling and playing for each other out there in meaningful roles.
 

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A very Senators move. Give up a chance to draft Hughes or one of the many top C prospects next year so we can use a 4th overall pick on low ceiling LW.

This will be the type of pick people look back at and either laugh or facepalm, especially with Zadina going after him to a divisional rival who's gonna light us up over his career.

At least we know who our 3rd line LW will be for the next 5 years. Dorion will surely rush him to the show.

I'm glad we have you and your crystal ball here to tell us exactly what will happen in the future.
 

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Agreed that both were good picks. Development and careers will determine who is better. I preferred Zadina who has better offensive potential but am happy with Tkachuk who has a greater physical edge.

All the arguing now is virtually pointless IMO.
 
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I'm glad we have you and your crystal ball here to tell us exactly what will happen in the future.
Well, its not hard at this point. I can pretty much just take the opposite stance of our management and I'll be right 90%+ of the time without even having to put thought into it.
 

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Oddly enough I'm actually super stoked that we finally have our 'Gary Roberts' and he's training in the off season with Gary Roberts! I really feel like this kid is going to instigate a massive culture change around this team along with Duchene and Stone.

Hahaha, honestly though, this is a big player pick for us and I couldn't have been happier. I didn't say much leading up to the draft because I didn't want to be disappointed, but when they called his name I was so stoked. I also wasn't surprised to see Zadina drop a bit, as from many accounts NHL scouts weren't sold on his guaranteed success at the top of the draft. Detroit must also be over the moon at him falling in their lap as well. So many guys that folks thought would go top 5 dropped...

Love the draft, and even more so when we take the guy I wanted badly.
 

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This will be Tkachuk lol
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So we will be trading Tkachuk to Detroit!?
 

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Ahhh yes, the vaunted hockey IQ. Please, explain hockey IQ for me. We all know Chris Kelly has it. So why wasn't he an offensive dynamo? How about Bergeron?

Chris Kelly was a bottom 6 player with limited offensive skills. Therefore he played a strong defensive role using his speed to advantage. Some say that was high hockey IQ. It was not stupid, for sure, but I don’t see high Hockey IQ in that.
 
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