4th Overall the Senators Take Brady Tkachuk

[Face Of Bear]

Leaf fan chiming in,

Tkachuk will definitely be a contributor for the Sens one day. I expect him to be a key character in the battle of Ontario for years to come.

That said - high end skill is so hard to come by these days. I can see why some fans are upset to leave some on the table in Zadina. And without a 1st in 2019, it will be a while before you get another opportunity to pick this high

 

[Icelevel]

Leaf fan chiming in,

Tkachuk will definitely be a contributor for the Sens one day. I expect him to be a key character in the battle of Ontario for years to come.

That said - high end skill is so hard to come by these days. I can see why some fans are upset to leave some on the table in Zadina. And without a 1st in 2019, it will be a while before you get another opportunity to pick this high

We can’t acquire a 2019 first within the next year???
Yeah you guys are f***ed. Prepare to be physically dominated.

 

[robsenz]

Well I guess if were going by potential. Anyone can score anything. Just a very optimistic outlook.
Duchene, Stone, Karlsson and maybe Dzingel Chabot will hit those totals on a good year.

Ryan is on his way out of the league.
I'm not seeing any of this offensive hype for White at all
Tkachuk, should be a 20 goal guy I hope at 4th overall
Brown, Batherson, Gagne...all need to make an NHL team first, and if they do, still seems very optimisic.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

He's passing to the puck to Dzingel who can score, he's passing the puck to stone who can score, he's passing the puck to Duchene who can score.. Shall I go on?

You can't go on because that's literally the only guys on the team who can score...hence why we need some skill up front.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Leaf fan chiming in,

Tkachuk will definitely be a contributor for the Sens one day. I expect him to be a key character in the battle of Ontario for years to come.

That said - high end skill is so hard to come by these days. I can see why some fans are upset to leave some on the table in Zadina. And without a 1st in 2019, it will be a while before you get another opportunity to pick this high

3 teams passed on zadina after 2nd overall... so that super high end skill may not be there at the next level. He said not a sure thing.

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Realistic potential
Duchene 25 goals
stone 25 goals
Ryan 20 goals
Dzingel 20 goals
Brown 20 goals
Batherson 20 goals
Tkachuk 20 goals
White 20 goals
Gagne 15 goals
Karlsson 15 goals
Chabot 15 goals

We will have enough goals

Come on man. That's almost impossibly optimistic projecting.

We have a top 6 scoring problem (among many others)

 

[topshelf15]

3 teams passed on zadina after 2nd overall... so that super high end skill may not be there at the next level. He said not a sure thing.

So many of these kids rack up huge numbers,and it never translates...Not saying Zadina wont become a great player,but to base everything on how much a kid scores in junior..Just doesnt seem to be prudent

 

[coladin]

Eight goals. You can talk all the intangibles and bloodlines you want, but eight goals is eight goals.

And at 17 or 18, that will be as good as he gets. Lol

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Leaf fan chiming in,

Tkachuk will definitely be a contributor for the Sens one day. I expect him to be a key character in the battle of Ontario for years to come.

That said - high end skill is so hard to come by these days. I can see why some fans are upset to leave some on the table in Zadina. And without a 1st in 2019, it will be a while before you get another opportunity to pick this high

Not sure I've ever said this, but I agree with a leaf fan

 

[NyQuil]

We can’t acquire a 2019 first within the next year???
Yeah you guys are ****ed. Prepare to be physically dominated.

 

[NyQuil]

And at 17 or 18, that will be as good as he gets. Lol

We'll see.

I'm a big believer in the trend that if a guy doesn't score goals at any level, he's not going to miraculously start scoring goals in the NHL where the defences are goaltenders are better.

Prove me wrong Brady.

 

[DylanSensFan]

if he turns out as a 3rd liner or 4th liner his fans will still sing his praises because "powerforwards are so rare"

It is kind of like that infamous hockey IQ... I mean it ranges from Chris Kelley to Patrice Bergeron.

 

[Sensinitis]

We'll see.

I'm a big believer in the trend that if a guy doesn't score goals at any level, he's not going to miraculously start scoring goals in the NHL where the defences are goaltenders are better.

Prove me wrong Brady.

Say that to Zibanejad and his 27 goals in 72 games. And countless other counter-examples.

Nothing against you obviously, but I hate that philosophy. It’s basically saying « your past defines you », and that couldn’t be further from the truth for an 18 year old, or anybody for that matter.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I would have preferred Zadina, Dobson or Hughes. It's concerning when the words Dorion uses to describe a 4th overall pick are "character and size" and not "speed and skill".

Hopefully Tkachuk proves me wrong, but I see him topping out as a 2nd LWer who scores 15-20 goals and 40-45 points. Not bad, but you want more from a pick this high.

I can't even remember the last time a "big power forward" was drafted with a top 4 pick. You probably have to go back to Landeskog, but even he had a much better offensive track record.

My fear is that we also throw him in the NHL next year to sell some tickets, when he should be going to London to be their first offensive option.

Let's see what happens.

 

[Cosmix]

Yes indeed! I think the Senators made a BIG mistake not taking Veleno when they could. Boooooooooo!

 

[Master Kush]

Using the 4th pick, the best the sens have had since spezza, for a character and intangible pick is a prime example how far this team has fallen. I miss the days when we drafted for skill.

Zadina looks like a potential 40 goal guy. He has a lethal shot. Scoring goals wins you games and cups. Kane kessel ovi helped their teams win cups because they can score in bunches and not because of their character or size.

This team badly needed top end skill especially with hoffman gone. When a dman leads the team in scoring for how many years now just proves that point. When do you think we have the chance to draft a 40 goal guy?

I used to like dorion but that interview with the head scout is cringe worthy. He seemed way to giddy/cocky with the pick. And his answer when asked why brady is not the first thing you want to hear with a top 5 pick. You want him to say a gamebreaker with high end skill. And his reliance on pedigree is also alarming.

Im not saying brady is trash or anything. He looks like he can be a good top 6 guy.

 

[aragorn]

Well I guess if were going by potential. Anyone can score anything. Just a very optimistic outlook.
Duchene, Stone, Karlsson and maybe Dzingel Chabot will hit those totals on a good year.

Ryan is on his way out of the league.
I'm not seeing any of this offensive hype for White at all
Tkachuk, should be a 20 goal guy I hope at 4th overall
Brown, Batherson, Gagne...all need to make an NHL team first, and if they do, still seems very optimisic.

Rome was not built in a day. Every team is in the same boat, some of these guys will pan out & some will not. Every player gets older every yr, every team has veterans who are aging & lots of good older players around the league are on their way out. Some will reach or exceed their potential & some will not. That's just the way it is with every yr & with every draft, some of us prefer to look at the Sens prospect list with a "glass half full" attitude as opposed to a "glass half empty". Who knows what will happen & who will step out or who will not. Why focus on the negative?

For those that keep complaining about not having a first rd pick next yr may be the same people who complained about not having a 2nd rd pick in this draft. Low & behold Ottawa trades down four spots & gets a 2nd rd pick in return. They have an entire yr to acquire a first rd pick for next yr with lots of assets to deal with in the organization to acquire one should they wish to make a deal for one whether it's in the top 10 or later will depend on what they decide to trade. IMO Ottawa has a decent list of prospects at almost every position & while some of them may not be elite, some may surprise & you need players for every line & every pairing & they added to that this weekend. No team has elite players at every position & every team only has a couple or few of them. Ottawa has an opportunity that a couple of theirs have that potential same as everybody else. Tkachuk may never become an elite player but he could push Brown or someone else to be which is every bit as good.

Chabot, Brown, Batherson, Formenton, Chlapik, Tkachuk, Paul, Gagne, Luchuk, Jaros, Wolanin, Harpur, Englund, Lajoie, Docker, Tychonick, Gustavsson, Hogberg & others. That's almost an entire team, I prefer to be optimistic about this group.

 

[SensFactor]

You can't go on because that's literally the only guys on the team who can score...hence why we need some skill up front.

You saying that Bobby Ryan can't score or pageau? Or guys like batherson? Brown or white?..i think I made my point

 

[sens13]

Tkachuk will be a decent player but Zadina will be much better.

Thackuk will be lucky if he ever hits 50 points.

I am baffled on how this idiot thought this was a good pick. Just compare tkachuk's stats to bowers. Bowers was picked 27 and he finished with 1 more point than tkachuk on the same team. tkachuk is only 4 months younger. So basically same age and same production. And this guy goes top 5? Ridiculous.

After the garbage season we had, all the karlsson hoffman drama, hoffman getting traded for scraps, and the uncertainty with karlsson resigning this pick was the one good thing to come from this season and he wastes it on a scrub.

People can try to defend tkachuk but he will NEVER be anywhere close to Zadina's level. Zadina has 40++ goal potential. Tkachuk will barely score 40 points. Just listen to dorion. Character and size? You don't pick a player for character and size in the top 5? You go for high end skill. What is this buffoon going on about?

This management is completely stupid from top to bottom. I've been a sens fan for almost 15 years but I have never been more pissed then I was yesterday. This team is not going anywhere. We have 2 top 6 forwards, and once karlsson leaves only chabot. ceci is trash. 2 top 6 forwards and 1 good dman. dzingel has good potential but that's it. You don't win games with barely one line. Sakic must be getting so excited at the prospect of picking Hughes.

 

[Ice-Tray]

BT is a scrub and Zadina is a 40 goal scorer... lol

As some have already pointed out "character" and "intangibles" trigger some folks around here. What people are forgetting is that he's also described as skilled, he's fast, has a good shot. Character and intangibles is what separates him from a guy like Zadina.

I'd take another Duchene over another Hoffman every day of the week. The general consensus of the type of player BT is, is exactly the type of player you win games with. If we want a pure scorer we can pick up a Grabner some day as a UFA, or trade a 2nd and a couple of late picks for a Hoffman... lol

I love the comment on getting back to the good old days of drafting skill. The days where we were great in the regular season and got embarrassed 4 years straight by Toronto, followed by being crushed by Anaheim. Every year we were begging for 'Gary Roberts' to put us over the top, and every year we passed and had our hearts broken.

I for one am glad to see us move away from being a weak, soft, without the desire to forecheck or cycle, to a team that pushes the game into the offensive zone and isn't afraid to engage in physical hockey. That's how you win in the playoffs, and that's how you build a team that plays together and for each other.

I have no doubt that BT will change everyone's mind when he hits the ice, it's just a drag that we'll have to wait at the very least all summer listening to people whine. It would be nice if folks would maybe wait until Zadina scores 40 while BT languishes on the third line before making us all suffer through hearing about it endlessly.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

A very Senators move. Give up a chance to draft Hughes or one of the many top C prospects next year so we can use a 4th overall pick on low ceiling LW.

This will be the type of pick people look back at and either laugh or facepalm, especially with Zadina going after him to a divisional rival who's gonna light us up over his career.

At least we know who our 3rd line LW will be for the next 5 years. Dorion will surely rush him to the show.

Given that you have been such a vocal critic of Tkachuk, what kind of performance will he need to have in the NHL for you to admit that you were wrong? And will you admit that you were wrong if he achieves it?

What is your humble pie criteria?

 

[Mr Hat]

Come on man. That's almost impossibly optimistic projecting.

We have a top 6 scoring problem (among many others)

No no you are being pessimisic! I'm sure all of our prospects will all break out at once under Guy Boucher who is so amazing at getting the most of young players.

All joking aside, if Batherson and white score 20g combined this year I will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[DaveMatthew]

I'd take another Duchene over another Hoffman every day of the week. The general consensus of the type of player BT is, is exactly the type of player you win games with. If we want a pure scorer we can pick up a Grabner some day as a UFA, or trade a 2nd and a couple of late picks for a Hoffman... lol

I love the comment on getting back to the good old days of drafting skill. The days where we were great in the regular season and got embarrassed 4 years straight by Toronto, followed by being crushed by Anaheim. Every year we were begging for 'Gary Roberts' to put us over the top, and every year we passed and had our hearts broken.

Duchene is a high-skill, high-speed, high-offense player. As a prospect, he was much closer to Zadina than Tkachuk, so that comparison doesn't hold up.

We were losing to Toronto 15 years ago, and lost to Anaheim 11 years ago. The league has changed. Gary Roberts would not be the same player today, and our "soft, skilled" teams with Alfredsson, Hossa, Havlat, etc would thrive.

It's why players like Hischier, Makar, Petersson, Hughes, etc are being drafted so high. Speed and skill are at a premium. Not character.

Besides, there's no guarantee that Tkachuk doesn't get engaged to a girl who ends up feuding with Chabot's future wife, right? Character is such a useless buzzword. If you're North American and over 6'1, you have "character".

 

[Master Kush]

BT is a scrub and Zadina is a 40 goal scorer... lol

As some have already pointed out "character" and "intangibles" trigger some folks around here. What people are forgetting is that he's also described as skilled, he's fast, has a good shot. Character and intangibles is what separates him from a guy like Zadina.

I'd take another Duchene over another Hoffman every day of the week. The general consensus of the type of player BT is, is exactly the type of player you win games with. If we want a pure scorer we can pick up a Grabner some day as a UFA, or trade a 2nd and a couple of late picks for a Hoffman... lol

I love the comment on getting back to the good old days of drafting skill. The days where we were great in the regular season and got embarrassed 4 years straight by Toronto, followed by being crushed by Anaheim. Every year we were begging for 'Gary Roberts' to put us over the top, and every year we passed and had our hearts broken.

I for one am glad to see us move away from being a weak, soft, without the desire to forecheck or cycle, to a team that pushes the game into the offensive zone and isn't afraid to engage in physical hockey. That's how you win in the playoffs, and that's how you build a team that plays together and for each other.

I have no doubt that BT will change everyone's mind when he hits the ice, it's just a drag that we'll have to wait at the very least all summer listening to people whine. It would be nice if folks would maybe wait until Zadina scores 40 while BT languishes on the third line before making us all suffer through hearing about it endlessly.

You mean when we drafted players that led the sens to the only cup finals theyve been to? When they made it a couple conference finals? And that was the old nhl. Its all about skill and skating these days. Its a lot easier trading skill for grit then the other way around

People are worried and rightly so bc of lazar cowen and a bunch of other first rounder busts that were drafted because of size or character, while teams like tampa caps and pens draft skill and win.

 

[Daffy]

Leaf fan chiming in,

Tkachuk will definitely be a contributor for the Sens one day. I expect him to be a key character in the battle of Ontario for years to come.

That said - high end skill is so hard to come by these days. I can see why some fans are upset to leave some on the table in Zadina. And without a 1st in 2019, it will be a while before you get another opportunity to pick this high

Lol gtfo of here