Post-Game Talk: #4 - 01/22/21 | RANGERS @ penguins | 7:00 - MSG

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No words to describe how impressive Miller’s been so far. Seeing him making the plays all over the ice by someone with this size and speed invoke references in my head to some of the top defensemen from the last 20 years.

Im telling you if Quinn sticks with a Miller-Trouba pairing by game 15-20 we’ll be watching a very good, big, mobile, shutdown pairing. Miller has the wheels and quick decision making and trouba brings some nasty. Trouba is an underrated outlet passer while K’Andre can skate it out of trouble. Both guys have no problem moving the puck. I like the one poster who compared Miller to Vlad Malakov. They both are big men that have that silky smooth stride when they skate. Also, it let’s Lindgren-Fox continue their great play history goin back to their team USA days. They are very comfortable together. That can be a pretty good top 4. Main problem is the third pairing. I think smith-DeAngelo would be fine at 5 & 6 but the hard on to play Jack Johnson looks like it’s going to last a while....
 
Im telling you if Quinn sticks with a Miller-Trouba pairing by game 15-20 we’ll be watching a very good, big, mobile, shutdown pairing. Miller has the wheels and quick decision making and trouba brings some nasty. Trouba is an underrated outlet passer while K’Andre can skate it out of trouble. Both guys have no problem moving the puck. I like the one poster who compared Miller to Vlad Malakov. They both are big men that have that silky smooth stride when they skate. Also, it let’s Lindgren-Fox continue their great play history goin back to their team USA days. They are very comfortable together. That can be a pretty good top 4. Main problem is the third pairing. I think smith-DeAngelo would be fine at 5 & 6 but the hard on to play Jack Johnson looks like it’s going to last a while....
Yea the 4th leading scoring dman in the NHL last year while being 5 years younger than anyone ahead of him might be a fine 5/6th dman
 
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But, Joe told me last night that while the analytics aren't kind to Johnson, he brings others things to the table.
This type of water carrying by Joe is just ridiculous. It’s not just JJ’s analytics. Just watch him and he’s horrible. Constant turnovers, out of position, poor skating, getting beat 1 on 1. He’s objectively bad and you tell just watching him, the stats just back up the eye test.

So it’s not like he’s doing anything well.
 
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The Good:
- DiGi - Gave the kid a bit of flack for being used on a the 3rd line, but damn what a game he had tonight. He was extremely noticeable. We will ignore whatever that spin pass was in OT however..
- Kakko - Shocking, more ice time seems to help the young kids who wants to impress...
- Chytil - "See Above"
- Miller - What a f***ing stud. Completely shocked of how he started the season, thought it would take him awhile to adjust. I was wrong.
- Fox - 26 minutes of ice time, wow...completely deserved. Will be considered a legit #1 dman in the league by the end of the season (already is in most of our eyes but the league will know it).

The Bad:
- Panarin - Worst game as a Ranger. Not sure what was wrong with him but he couldn't do anything. Skating was off too.
- Mika - Terrible game as well. Maybe still feeling affects of the injury?
- Kreider - Earth to Kreider, the season started.
- Lindgren - Yikes, what were you thinking on that goal?

The Ugly:
Jack Johnson - Completely to blame for goals #1 and #3. On #3 I guess he forgot what side he was playing because he was on the complete wrong side of the ice.
Strome - Really? Another terrible performance. Why is he getting time in OT?
Quinn - For playing Strome in OT and strapping our insanely talented 1st overall pick on he bench when he could have thrived with that much ice in OT.

completely agree on just about everything aside from the kids ice time. its not a function of any of the kids deliberately being played less, its not just us...around the league teams have 12 forwards that can play for the most part. ice time will typically skew towards the guys going on any given night. some teams have more established trios - we're still finding ours. at times some of the kids are put on a line that doesn't give them the best chance to shine...but i don't know how else you get there or why theres any complaints about shuffling now. this game wasn't quinn going into the game thinking ok going to make a point to get kakko/chytil/pdg more ice time. it was them going out and playing well and forcing quinn to play them more. agree or disagree with the lines he comes up with - he's been pretty open about saying he doesn't have the answers, its a constant discussion, they're looking for the best combinations. and yes, while its tough to stomach, its universal, kids to have to earn that ice time while guys who's struggled early in mika/kreider/strome - vets with some history - do get a longer leash. mika just looks a bit off but kreider/strome have been absolutely useless and have to imagine they probably have 3-5 more games at most to start making a difference and contributing anywhere before their roles are up in the air...and if the kids keep playing like this, that happens naturally. forcing it is what perpetually mediocre teams like edmomton do.

separately there is the case of jack johnson, who is among the worst players i've ever seen. as you noted, even being on the correct half of the ice is beyond his grasp. 4 games is in almost all cases too soon to draw any hard conclusions. but his case is an exception. how he hasn't been scratched is nothing short of negligence at best. his dressing and getting minutes is disrespectful to everyone else that has to make up for him when he's out there, the spirit of meritocracy, and a guy like smith who's played well sitting in the box while he singlehandedly costs at least 1 goal a night.
 
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That's what I was thinking too. What the hell kind of system is Quinn deploying? There is no cohesion at all between the players. It's like throw them together see what we get.

They have played a total of 7 games in 10 months. It takes time to gel especially with the system they like to play. I sound like a broken record but it's going to take a minimum of 10 games to play the way they want to and have in the past. They also were the better team last night and against the devils.
 
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Panarin is playing with the worst player on our team. Not sure what more people want from him
 
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