Prospect Info: 33rd overall Roby Jarventie LW FIN

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Didn't Bobby go undrafted ?

Completely different scenario.

Yes, Muray signed him out of college, he was heavily sought after.

But don't see why bringing Butler in Jarventie's case. Roby is also just 18 y/o. What he is doing in Finland's best league is certainly great. If he gets "overhyped" because of it, so be it.

He also seems to have fundamentals that Butler didn't have, so maybe he won't be just a flash in the pan
 
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I'd say Brandon Bochenski or Alexei Kaigorodov ended up as the most over-hyped players.

The former because of his godly pre-season numbers and the latter because he was written in as the 2C solution before he even played a game.
 
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Järventie has all the tools to become an NHL player. I am not sure are they enough for Top 6 or something else. There is so much else than personal qualities involved in transition. We have seen great prospects lost in bad coaching and mediocre prospects shining in great coaching.
 

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Also Bobby Butler was a great prospect at some point. He absolutely "baked" the NCAA in 2009-10, did pretty good in the AHL (22 goals in 47 games) then started pretty well in the NHL with 21 pts (10 goals) in 36 games (48 pts/82 games)


Not sure what happened with him, maybe it was just a flash in the pan

Not really Butler never touched pro until 22 and was highly regarded for being accredited with 12 different ncaa awards even though some were team awards.

He also was in running iirc for hobey baker award in ncaa and only produced on Spezza wing really in nhl.
 

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Other options would be Petr Schastlivy and David Rundblad.
I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that. I remember trying to get a David Rundblad jersey but they were actually out of stock at the time so I settled for a Jared Cowen jersey.

Woof.
 

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Not really Butler never touched pro until 22 and was highly regarded for being accredited with 12 different ncaa awards even though some were team awards.

He also was in running iirc for hobey baker award in ncaa and only produced on Spezza wing really in nhl.

Not really what? The Butler hype started before signing with the Sens during his 2009-10 NCAA season. It was Gilroy or Geoffrion year but yes, he came close to winning the Hobey Baker

And regarding producing with Spezza... Not a lot of players can produce numbers in the NHL without playing with good players. He showed he was capable of scoring as a fresh rookie. But like I said, flash in the pan.

I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that.

It's not really just Sens fans though. Rundblad dominated the SHL so much that he was considered the best prospect in the world at some point...

We traded for him before he broke out, and then traded him for Turris before he broke down. Pretty nice flip.
 

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Not really what? The Butler hype started before signing with the Sens during his 2009-10 NCAA season. It was Gilroy or Geoffrion year but yes, he came close to winning the Hobey Baker

And regarding producing with Spezza... Not a lot of players can produce numbers in the NHL without playing with good players. He showed he was capable of scoring as a fresh rookie. But like I said, flash in the pan.



It's not really just Sens fans though. Rundblad dominated the SHL so much that he was considered the best prospect in the world at some point...

We traded for him before he broke out, and then traded him for Turris before he broke down. Pretty nice flip.

I just meant more I don't think they are very comparable. Like one plays liiga one played ncaa. Maybe i misunderstood the convo. But yeah I also don't know much about jarventie so I didn't want to argue to hard either tbh.
 

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I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that. I remember trying to get a David Rundblad jersey but they were actually out of stock at the time so I settled for a Jared Cowen jersey.

Woof.

I remember. So many ppl changed their profile pic to him, live updates on his games, streaming links, etc.

It was a good life lesson for me, never get caught up in this prospect crap. Dude was traded within a couple months lol
 

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I just meant more I don't think they are very comparable. Like one plays liiga one played ncaa. Maybe i misunderstood the convo. But yeah I also don't know much about jarventie so I didn't want to argue to hard either tbh.

Something got lost in translation. I was not comparing Butler and Jarventie in any way, shape or form.

I was just commenting on Butler as a prospect because someone suddenly mentionned him out of nowhere :

"For sure right now our most overhyped prospect. He’s approaching Bobby Butler territory."

I remember. So many ppl changed their profile pic to him, live updates on his games, streaming links, etc.

It was a good life lesson for me, never get caught up in this prospect crap. Dude was traded within a couple months lol

Why not? Did you go into depression because of it? I mean, don't prevent yourself from enjoying that part of hockey. The prospects world is one of the most interesting facet of hockey. Success and disappointments are part of it, like about anything else in life.

And all this "overhype" stuff is what makes some prospects better than others, and why they end up being drafted higher in the end. It's far from a perfect science but normally, the higher you pick, the higher chance the prospect has to be a good player, depending if teams did a great scouting job of course.

When a prospect is widely considered like a future good/great NHL player, like Rundblad was, most of the time it happens, but there's some exceptions and Rundblad didn't pan out. He was a 17th OA pick (so he was already seen as a good prospect) the year before breaking out in a MAJOR way... So yeah, he became a TOP prospect for the whole hockey planet, not just Sens fans.
 
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I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that. I remember trying to get a David Rundblad jersey but they were actually out of stock at the time so I settled for a Jared Cowen jersey.

Woof.

To be fair, Rundblad was doing things no other Swedish prospect had ever done.

Look at how his production compared against other U21 D at the time: Elite Prospects - SHL Stats All-time season

And anyone else remember the Magic Number 7 vids that showed him dangling around professionals like it was nothing?





Lesson to be learned - Good IQ and skating are necessary to develop into a good NHL D. Rundblad had insane talent, but tried way too many low IQ plays that worked at the SEL level but couldn't work at the NHL level, and he simply wasn't a good enough skater to open up space for himself at the highest level. Those two factors, along with his lack of a defensive game, made him outright bust.
 

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It was his hitting that really got me excited for him to come over along with his puck skills.

Then there was THIS...and we all believed!



Man we had 2 of the most anticipated Swedish prospects over a few years when you consider how Silfverberg dominated after we drafted him as well.
 

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I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that. I remember trying to get a David Rundblad jersey but they were actually out of stock at the time so I settled for a Jared Cowen jersey.

Woof.

I remember it too. And he certainly looked like he was a lock to be at least a top 4.

There was one poster back then who was sure that Rundblad was going to be better than Karlsson.
 

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It was his hitting that really got me excited for him to come over along with his puck skills.

Then there was THIS...and we all believed!



Man we had 2 of the most anticipated Swedish prospects over a few years when you consider how Silfverberg dominated after we drafted him as well.

Well
If jarventie ends up as sikfverberg I think everyone will
Be very very happy
 
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I don't think people remember how incredibly hyped David Rundblad was on here. I know because I was very much apart of that. I remember trying to get a David Rundblad jersey but they were actually out of stock at the time so I settled for a Jared Cowen jersey.

Woof.
When I bought my two heritage jerseys in black and white I almost put Ceci on one and lazar on the other.
 
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Who does he remind you guys of on this goal??


Roby Jarventie's main criticism pre-draft has been his play away from the puck and in his defensive zone game. Those are areas of improvement that can be taught, wonder how he has looked defensively in the 9 games played in Liiga thus far (for those watching live games). He is kind of like a bigger version of Hoffman in that regard (perhaps not stylistically).
 

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