Prospect Info: 33rd overall Roby Jarventie LW FIN

[R2010]

To be fair, Rundblad was doing things no other Swedish prospect had ever done.

Look at how his production compared against other U21 D at the time: Elite Prospects - SHL Stats All-time season

And anyone else remember the Magic Number 7 vids that showed him dangling around professionals like it was nothing?





Lesson to be learned - Good IQ and skating are necessary to develop into a good NHL D. Rundblad had insane talent, but tried way too many low IQ plays that worked at the SEL level but couldn't work at the NHL level, and he simply wasn't a good enough skater to open up space for himself at the highest level. Those two factors, along with his lack of a defensive game, made him outright bust.

Yeah that one was egg on a lot of peoples face. I still can't believe he didn't manage to be even a decent NHLer. I think today he would have had a better chance coming into the league but you're right his IQ in particular was too low.

 

[mianjo]

Jarvente today 1g 1a 2pm's, -- 11gp 5g 5a 10pts

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah that one was egg on a lot of peoples face. I still can't believe he didn't manage to be even a decent NHLer. I think today he would have had a better chance coming into the league but you're right his IQ in particular was too low.

honestly none of the conditions were right for him.. i really beleive he would have turned into a decent layer had he stayed here... he wasnt terrible. but then he goes to arizona under tippett, not too kind to young players, gets bounced around... and then goes to chicago contending with a set top 4.

i think there was a decent nhler there. it just never was realized.

 

[Tuna99]

He loves that right side one timer.

 

[RAFI BOMB]

Roby Jarventie is off to a strong start to the season with the following stats:
11 GP 5 G 5 A 10 PTS

For a bit of comparison. Alexander Barkov in his draft year had the following stats:
53 GP 21 G 27 A 48 PTS

If Jarventie produces at the same rate and plays the same number of games as Barkov his stats are projected to be:
53 GP 24 G 24 A 48 PTS

For another comparison, Roope Hintz 2 seasons after he was drafted had the following stats:
44 GP 19 G 11 A 30 PTS

If Jarventie produces at the same rate and plays the same number of games as Hintz his stats are projected to be:
44 GP 20 G 20 A 40 PTS

It is still very early to tell but so far it is a good sign that he is producing at roughly the same rate as Barkov did in his draft year and outproducing Hintz 2 seasons after he was drafted.

 

[Ippenator]

Jarvente today 1g 1a 2pm's, -- 11gp 5g 5a 10pts

He was also the second star of the game.

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

Roby Jarventie is off to a strong start to the season with the following stats:
11 GP 5 G 5 A 10 PTS

For a bit of comparison. Alexander Barkov in his draft year had the following stats:
53 GP 21 G 27 A 48 PTS

If Jarventie produces at the same rate and plays the same number of games as Barkov his stats are projected to be:
53 GP 24 G 24 A 48 PTS

For another comparison, Roope Hintz 2 seasons after he was drafted had the following stats:
44 GP 19 G 11 A 30 PTS

If Jarventie produces at the same rate and plays the same number of games as Hintz his stats are projected to be:
44 GP 20 G 20 A 40 PTS

It is still very early to tell but so far it is a good sign that he is producing at roughly the same rate as Barkov did in his draft year and outproducing Hintz 2 seasons after he was drafted.

That would also be a similar stat line to what Sebastien Aho did in his draft +1.

Both late birthdays as well.

 

[Zub]

While Roby is producing well you also have to factor the team that he plays with, the Ilves depth is very good and the team is doing very well right now. Maccelli his linemate is insanely good at puck moving/skating/playmaking, while he also plays with him and Juuso Valimaki on the PP and he's kinda benefitting from it. But i'm not taking away anything from Roby, because he's infact producing results which is good.

 

[JD1]

If i have time tomorrow i think I'll create a stats thread to note what's happening with all our guys playing in Europe somewhere

 

[playasRus]

While Roby is producing well you also have to factor the team that he plays with, the Ilves depth is very good and the team is doing very well right now. Maccelli his linemate is insanely good at puck moving/skating/playmaking, while he also plays with him and Juuso Valimaki on the PP and he's kinda benefitting from it. But i'm not taking away anything from Roby, because he's infact producing results which is good.

Yeah, I'm not putting either player down or any poster down, but it's weird to shit on Logan Brown who was PPG over 70 games in the AHL but hasn't had a chance in the NHL yet, but get excited by PPG in 10 games in the SM-liiga. (For the record I hope both players make it). I think as fans, we really have way too much shiny new toy syndrome and debbie downer for guys who haven't established themselves by D+3 season. (See Chlapik thread).

 

[Ippenator]

While Roby is producing well you also have to factor the team that he plays with, the Ilves depth is very good and the team is doing very well right now. Maccelli his linemate is insanely good at puck moving/skating/playmaking, while he also plays with him and Juuso Valimaki on the PP and he's kinda benefitting from it. But i'm not taking away anything from Roby, because he's infact producing results which is good.

He has been helping also those other players reach better results with his high hockey IQ plays and great positioning in the offence. And it’s also good to remember that he has been doing his results with about 2,5 minutes less icetime per game than for example his linemate Maccelli. and yet he is only one point behind Maccelli in total points for the season so far. And also it’s good to notice that Järventie hasn’t been really that much feasting on the power play. He has 1+2 on the power play, while Maccelli has 2+2.

I also don’t agree completely with your estimation on Macelli. Well, with his skating I do, but he definitely isn’t an insanely good passer. In fact his great connection with Järventie and how Roby has the great talent of finding very well open space in the offence, has clearly helped Maccelli get better and clearer passing chances. He has definitely been better with his passing than for example last season, but a big reason is really also how Roby clearly offers better passing situations to him.

Maccelli has in fact pretty much the speedster’s syndrome of hanging too easily and too long to the puck and then getting to a too difficult situation to make any quick and accurate passes, and thus losing the puck too often and too easily. But as I already said, his passing has been this season visibly better than last season, especially when he gets to play offence with Järventie getting well open for passes.

Maccelli might have also developed himself with this a bit from last season, but I’m practically sure that if he didn’t have Järventie in his line, his passing options wouldn’t be as often so clear, and he would have more of the problems of hanging too often and too long to the puck. But anyway in general I like them playing together, and both of them definitely benefit from playing with each others in the same line. Their connection is really fun to watch right now.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

He has been helping also those other players reach better results with his high hockey IQ plays and great positioningn in the offence. And it’s also good to remember that he has been doing his results with about 2,5 minutes less icetime per game than for example his linemate Maccelli. and yet he is only one point behind Maccelli in total points for the season so far. And also it’s good to notice that Järventie hasn’t been really that much feasting on the power play. He has 1+2 on the power play, while Maccelli has 2+2.

I also don’t agree completely with your estimation on Macelli. Well, with his skating I do, but he definitely isn’t an insanely good passer. In fact his great connection with Järventie and how Roby has the great talent of finding very well open space in the offence, has clearly helped Maccelli get better and clearer passing chances. He has definitely been better with his passing than for example last season, But a big reason is really also how Roby clearly offers better passing situations to him.

Maccelli has in fact pretty much the speedster’s syndrome of hanging too easily and too long to the puck and then getting to a too difficult situation to make any quick and accurate passes, and thus losing the puck too often and too easily. But as I already said, his passing has been this season visibly better than last season, especially when he gets to play offence with Järventie getting well open for passes.

Maccelli might have also developed with this a bit from last season, But I’m practically sure that if he didn’t have Järventie in his line, his passing options wouldn’t be as often so clear, and he would have more of the problems of hanging too much and too long to the puck. But anyway in general I like them playing together, and both of them definitely benefit from playing with each others in the same line. Their connection is really fun to watch right now.

Pretty crazy to see a line with an 18 year old and 19 year old doing so well in one the world's top leagues.

Thanks for the insight!

 

[HSF]

No idea how rundblad didn’t make it but definitely stLouis and Ottawa knew something cause they traded him

 

[God Flower]

I remember the Kaigorodov days. We were all believers.

The Coyotes were believers too; they gave us Mike Comrie straight up for Kaigorodov and we got our 2nd line center in the long run.

 

[Phenomenon]

Pretty crazy to see a line with an 18 year old and 19 year old doing so well in one the world's top leagues.

Thanks for the insight!

Tonight they will be accompanied by Barrett Hayton (Arizona Coyotes), so the combined age of the trio is 57 years.

Thomson is also back in the roster after missing yesterday´s game (healthy scratch). He has lost something in his game and has not been able to use his shot effectively. However, his defensive game has been better than year ago.

 

[mianjo]

If i have time tomorrow i think I'll create a stats thread to note what's happening with all our guys playing in Europe somewhere

You mean like this

Ottawa Senators at eliteprospects.com

 

[NyQuil]

Tonight they will be accompanied by Barrett Hayton (Arizona Coyotes), so the combined age of the trio is 57 years.

Hayton put together one hell of a performance (helmet shenanigans aside) at the WJCs last year.

Very impressed with his overall skillset.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Tonight they will be accompanied by Barrett Hayton (Arizona Coyotes), so the combined age of the trio is 57 years.

Thomson is also back in the roster after missing yesterday´s game (healthy scratch). He has lost something in his game and has not been able to use his shot effectively. However, his defensive game has been better than year ago.

That line should do some damage.

 

[Xspyrit]

Tonight they will be accompanied by Barrett Hayton (Arizona Coyotes), so the combined age of the trio is 57 years.

Thomson is also back in the roster after missing yesterday´s game (healthy scratch). He has lost something in his game and has not been able to use his shot effectively. However, his defensive game has been better than year ago.

Interesting, I keep hearing that his hockey IQ is quite bad... What would you say on that? And what about his decision making? Is he good at identifying quick exit options or he hesitates too much?

Also, do you think he might be "out of shape" after a long pause? Surely, there's going to be players that trained harder than others... Maybe he spent a lot of time on video games which can't be good.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

Interesting, I keep hearing that his hockey IQ is quite bad... What would you say on that? And what about his decision making? Is he good at identifying quick exit options or he hesitates too much?

Also, do you think he might be "out of shape" after a long pause? Surely, there's going to be players that trained harder than others... Maybe he spent a lot of time on video games which can't be good.

They’re not going to give him lots of leeway given he’s just going to bolt for the nhl in a few months. I’m not surprised they haven’t been using him much.

 

[JD1]

You mean like this

Ottawa Senators at eliteprospects.com

Exactly like that. Cool. Didn't know you could do that on that site

 

[Icelevel]

Helge Grans (taken #35) also doing quite well so far statistically with 2g 4a 10gp

(I hadnt heard of jarventie at the draft and was interested in grans. One of those time will tell deals. Jarventie definitely holding his own so far)

 

[God Says No]

Mr. Laine, who happens to be from the same city

Or Mr. Hoffman.

Yeah, on that particular goal he "looked" like Laine. Now, most likely he won't be even close to Laine, but a girl can dream.

 

[Phenomenon]

Interesting, I keep hearing that his hockey IQ is quite bad... What would you say on that? And what about his decision making? Is he good at identifying quick exit options or he hesitates too much?

Also, do you think he might be "out of shape" after a long pause? Surely, there's going to be players that trained harder than others... Maybe he spent a lot of time on video games which can't be good.

I think that he wasn´t physically ready to play against men last year. This year he has been physically more ready and played more mature game, but has not shown any special in the attack zone. He hasn´t had so many opportunities in PP units after Välimäki joined the team and the overall role has been 6.-9. D.

I have seen him regurlarly on the local golf course and he seems to be in a good shape. He still needs to bulk up and what I have heard, his attitude is excellent. He tries to be an athlete - not an e-sports professional.

Development into an NHL top 4 D-man or a player in NHL at all will, however, take some time.

 

[DJB]

While Roby is producing well you also have to factor the team that he plays with, the Ilves depth is very good and the team is doing very well right now. Maccelli his linemate is insanely good at puck moving/skating/playmaking, while he also plays with him and Juuso Valimaki on the PP and he's kinda benefitting from it. But i'm not taking away anything from Roby, because he's infact producing results which is good.

Pipe down with your sensible and rational take.

We are hyping Roby like irrational Leaf and Hab fans.

Allow us to enjoy the moment.