Fair enough, but I'm seeing in-game changes and the team started outplaying the opponent. PP's gave some momentum, but I thought Lemeuix did a real good job of drawing a couple of penalties with his hustle. He did his job last night. They also seem like they are using that PP2 unit as a reward for good 5v5 play, and that's a good way to pad the stats and get that leverage when it comes to contract time again.
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Fair enough, but I'm seeing in-game changes and the team started outplaying the opponent. PP's gave some momentum, but I thought Lemeuix did a real good job of drawing a couple of penalties with his hustle. He did his job last night. They also seem like they are using that PP2 unit as a reward for good 5v5 play, and that's a good way to pad the stats and get that leverage when it comes to contract time again.
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I don't think you need both Strome and Kreider on that 1st PP Unit. One of them is enough. Neither is a great passer. Lafreniere and Kakko are way better passers in open space - which they would have on a PP. Kakko's 1st pre-season game last year he played with Panarin and Mika on the PP and they moved the puck beatifully. Kakko hit the post like 2 or 3 times.
Is this not some awesome puck movement?
From 1:30 onwards:
Is this not some awesome puck movement?
From 1:30 onwards:
so so tired of the weak starts and giving up a goal in the first minute...that is squarely on Quinn not having the troops ready for a rival...happens alot with Devils and Piles, we are like sleepy joe to start the games
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Lemieux lost his backchecking mark on the first goal and received a penalty (I might be misremembering this part) but he had a great game. He did well for his role on PP2 but I'd prefer him off it. If Strome is left on PP1 my second unit would be Buch, ADA, Trouba, Chytil and Lafreniere / Kakko.
They had the top PP in the league starting last January through season' send. The were looking good last night and had several goals. What Strome is or is not is secondary to the fact that no coach in the league would have started to fix what was not broken.
I understand that and it is a very valid point. But again, I know of no coach that would have started to fix what was not broken.
You seem to be more concerned about your opinion being right than the Rangers.
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Kreider is a great net front guy and a great guy to get the puck back down low when they lose it. He's also underrated in finding open space and rotating and making little support plays to keep plays alive. He should not come off the PP.
Strome definitely could (maybe should). Decent passer but he doesn't provide much else. He's almost there due to a lack of someone else taking it than really being a key part of it.
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Weird game. Cannot understate how important Shesty was. You know Georgy would've given up another one. Kid looked real calm. Love to see it.
K'Andre is going to be such a special player. Buch and Kakko looked good together at the end, maybe Quinn tries that again?
Buchnevich stepping up has been such a revelation, hope the kid smashes it.
K'Andre is going to be such a special player. Buch and Kakko looked good together at the end, maybe Quinn tries that again?
Buchnevich stepping up has been such a revelation, hope the kid smashes it.
Overreacting is fun, cathartic and relaxing.
Being told to relax is annoying and stupid
SA16
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Someone should probably compile the numbers about these "weak starts" the last three years because I bet a lot of teams fanbases think the same way because they are memorable. Is it actually true?
YEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeees!!!!!!!
Something I regret not saying is I thought kakko had a great 1st period and that maybe with so many young guys + COvid of course things may be a bit chaotic to start the season. We absolutely should be patient.
It's just hard when it's the same exact issues we've seen for years now. It's also hard when a lot of the things we see have less to do with working out the kinks and more to do with being unprepared and (to me) put together poorly by Gorton. Or bc Quinn is driving the top 6 into the ground. Or quickly giving the hook to young guys but not giving a hook to certain vets, ever, when they're way worse.
But that doesn't take away from the stagnation, dysfunction, poor cap allocation, bad contracts, seemingly haphazard team construction, general sense that the roster is directionless and the coach is clueless
Then we have what looks like clear dysfunction last season with whatever the f*** happened to kravtsov and Lias in the first few months. That shit was very abnormal and exceedingly worrying. This is THE season. We are supposed to be seeing the common mistakes of the past go away. So far. No dice.
Like I asked so many questions about what specifically it is Gorton or Quinn are doing system wise in that rant and no one can (or at least no one did) answer them.
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Seemed to me like Blackwood was pretty good, the team in front of him also did a lot of collapsing and shot blocking. They seemed to have a game plan, like a rope a dope sort of thing.
Not sure why the Rangers are giving up a scoring chance like that so early in the game, it was a good read by Subban yet that was a odd line change being made.
I actually don't think Geo was terrible, yet he was not great either.
Seems to me like the Rangers are unprepared to start games and are somewhat disorganized throughout. The players beyond the top line do not seem to have much continuity. I feel like much of that falls on coaching, yet I also sort of have to take into account that I expected the Rangers to be a mixed bad of inconsistency, yet I do not think what appear to me to be panic coaching is going to help much in that regard. To put it another way, the Devils looked like they had a game plan, the Rangers not so much.
Not sure why the Rangers are giving up a scoring chance like that so early in the game, it was a good read by Subban yet that was a odd line change being made.
I actually don't think Geo was terrible, yet he was not great either.
Seems to me like the Rangers are unprepared to start games and are somewhat disorganized throughout. The players beyond the top line do not seem to have much continuity. I feel like much of that falls on coaching, yet I also sort of have to take into account that I expected the Rangers to be a mixed bad of inconsistency, yet I do not think what appear to me to be panic coaching is going to help much in that regard. To put it another way, the Devils looked like they had a game plan, the Rangers not so much.
Thinking best thing this year with this youth and coach especially the latter best to keep expectations at like a 2 out of 10. Sucks but that’s the reality.
Blackwood was good enough. He stopped everything he was supposed to stop (unlike Geo), stopped a few that maybe he wasn't supposed to stop and got help from the iron.
Geo was terrible. The first 2 goals were completely on him and no one else. I'll never place blame on a goalie for a break away goal against and he slid himself out of position on the 4th goal but I won't put that one on him either, our PK was running around like a bunch of morons.
It was a weird game where the analytics didn't really match the eye test. Trouba and Lindgren had sterling numbers, but I thought both had a pretty rough night at the office.
Wait, the youngest team in the league that has had a two week camp and no exhibition games AND is learning a new defensive system looks disjointed on the ice at times? Shocker that.
And now Gorton has poorly constructed the team? We ALL know that this is FAR from a finished product. But tell me, where has the construction of the roster gone awry? What should been done?
There is ZERO evidence that the top 6 are being ground into dust. And who should Kakko and Lafreniere be playing more than? The kids get hooks for accountability reasons. As well they should. Who are the vets that are getting away with murder? You're not just going to list Johnson here, are you?
The team does not appear to be dysfunctional. At all. Stagnation is lack of progress. 3 games in. NO preseason. No exhibition games. And the whole team is not growing. Who is on a bad contract?
And what does it mean to have a directionless roster?
Who is clueless and who is a genius seems to vary from game to game.
THAT is your example of a franchise in dysfunction? Really?
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Our resident analyst @eyjee ran the numbers on this and...it's not true. Over the last 3 years the Rangers have allowed 17 goals in the first two minutes. That's tied for 17th most in the league. Basically dead average. The Islanders have allowed the 3rd most. Detroit, who is awful, has allowed the 4th least. It's randomness. It's just selective memory remembering bad events more often than neutral events.
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The 1st goal, if we want to say the rebound was the issue, okay and I agree he should have just caught the puck and play ends there. Yet since he did not, the coverage coming back on Zajac was a water skier. He stopped two really good chances before the 2nd goal. On the 2nd goal I can't tell if the Smith shot deflected on the way in or not, if not, yes he should have absorbed/caught it, if deflected I am not sure that would be on him.
