Post-Game Talk: #3 - 1/19/21 | Devils @ Rangers

[True Blue]

My issue with DQ, is that he was brought in to develop players, make them adapt and improve at the NHL level. Winning was not his top priority, since rebuilding teams are not supposed to compete for a playoff spot in the first couple of years of a rebuild. I'm ok with that, as long as I see the young players getting minutes and improving as the season and years go along.
What I'm seeing is, over usage of veteran players, more ice time for less impactful players and stagnation from our young studs...
I understand that playing in the NHL is a difficult step up for all these first rounders, especially since they never played in the AHL, or North American game (except Chytil), and knowing and learning the defensive responsibilities takes time to learn. You want to give more ice time to young players when you see they are ready to handle them, it's called development.
However, when you have a first overall and a second overall pick in your lineup and they don't get any meaningful PP time, especially after they've shown to be playing well, it doesn't make sense to me. I'll add Chytil in there as well, who gets NO PP time. BTW, has Chytil really improved over 3 years (DQ had him 3 years ago...)? These are offensive players/kids, so I understand that DQ wants to limit their ES ice time, but they need to get PP time, even just to gain some confidence...
When I see Strome getting PP time over Kakko last night, I get infuriated...at least Buch should be there instead of Strome, crazy!
It's evident winning is DQ's TOP priority, not developing and for me, if that's the case, DQ is not the right man for that job!

If you believe that making the playoffs is not important, you have not been paying attention. To that extent, if the PP looks good with vets and is getting results, then Quinn is not really going to be making changes.

With that said, whether or not they make the playoffs or not is not will not be the biggest factor in management's view of Quinn. If the kids continue to develop and not take steps back, will be. To that extent, I think that 3 games is hardly the accurate time to make that determination. Again, unless the Rangers are competing for the lottery and the kids are not developing, he will be back for year 4

 

[Raspewtin]

Johnson has to go next game for TDA. Cannot see any other reasonable choice.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Johnson has to go next game for TDA. Cannot see any other reasonable choice.

Smith is playing RD on that third pairing so I fully expect him to be the one coming out

 

[bl02]

I hope not and I still don’t think it is but if Mika got a concussion from that fall yesterday we really need to think hard about him being here long term.
Maybe as soon as this year.

 

[kovazub94]

Well Trouba was kind of pinned there. Can't play the puck across the ice either. I would put it down to a bad bounce rather than a bad play. He has not been as advertised in his 1+ year, but that was a tricky situation.

Video starts at that goal:

It wasn’t a brain fart... you’re a defenseman, you just got a pass from your partner and it’s in your skates, you have a forward pressuring, what do you do? Hughes made a really good play at a speed trouba wasn’t expecting. That’s not a brain fart.

A. He can make sure to dump the with force toward Devils net. B. He can prepare to engage and tie the oncoming forward into a puck battle - even if he doesn't win it - his partner and a forward would be able to recover.

 

[MysticLeviathan]

Johnson has to go next game for TDA. Cannot see any other reasonable choice.

You know DQ is sitting Miller for TDA. I don’t see DQ making the best or even second best option here.

 

[Ruggs225]

Anybody else think of Major League’s “just a bit outside” call when Jack Johnson took slapshots?

i mean he was nowhere close to the net with the puck. Not even a soccer net would he have scored

 

[kovazub94]

The Rangers scored 2 PP goals last night. 1PP also dominated Devils PK to keep them pinned in the zone for extensive periods of time. They were able to enter and setup. Yes, Strome was pretty much a passenger but you'd be kidding yourself to think an adjustment is coming.

TBH, I PREFER to have Buchnevich on the second unit instead of Strome to make the unit better. Keep Fox with PP1, have ADA run PP2 and put Trouba as RHS in the left circle there.

 

[IDvsEGO]

The Rangers scored 2 PP goals last night. 1PP also dominated Devils PK to keep them pinned in the zone for extensive periods of time. They were able to enter and setup. Yes, Strome was pretty much a passenger but you'd be kidding yourself to think an adjustment is coming.

TBH, I PREFER to have Buchnevich on the second unit instead of Strome to make the unit better. Keep Fox with PP1, have ADA run PP2 and put Trouba as RHS in the left circle there.

I have no problem with buch on the second unit, he’s shown the ability to drive play on his own, and he’s a good mentor for the kids.
But I think most of us want to balance righty vs lefty to some degree, and try and balance ice time. You don’t develop the kids on the pp, if you give the 15 seconds.

 

[True Blue]

Johnson has to go next game for TDA. Cannot see any other reasonable choice.

Who goes may be a question ( I also think it should be Johnson, but who knows?) but there is no way that DeAngelo is not back in on Friday.

 

[JHS]

I get all the coach talk about needing to hustle back, play defense etc. but it shouldn't come at the expense of containing other (more obvious and with more upside) talent on these young guys. And that's exactly what Quinn is doing with Kakko and what he will probably end up doing with Lafreniere too. It's like they're told "don't you f**king dare make a mistake that costs us a goal or your ass is nailed on the bench". Kakko and Chytil have completely stopped challenging defenders and Lafreniere looks timid to do it too. So what are Quinn's intentions - outside of not wanting to lose his job due to rookies making mistakes? Fold every offensively gifted young player into the same mold of Brett Howden / Brendan Lemieux? And more importantly, is this what the organization wants? JD, Gorton?

I totally agree. I’ve been posting negatively about Quinn for seasons. He’s a bad coach on virtually every metric.

 

[kovazub94]

I have no problem with buch on the second unit, he’s shown the ability to drive play on his own, and he’s a good mentor for the kids.
But I think most of us want to balance righty vs lefty to some degree, and try and balance ice time. You don’t develop the kids on the pp, if you give the 15 seconds.

Not going to get an argument from me but if you actually watch them play (I'm not saying you don't) - it's hard to remove Panarin and Zibanejad off the ice - the puck is usually in the offensive zone for the whole time while these two are there, but also usually after losing 30 seconds at the start because they lose the puck off the face-off, so there are only 1:30 of PP time to allocate.

 

[Leonardo87]

So if Mika is out, Strome is our 1C? God help us!

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Well Trouba was kind of pinned there. Can't play the puck across the ice either. I would put it down to a bad bounce rather than a bad play. He has not been as advertised in his 1+ year, but that was a tricky situation.

Video starts at that goal:

Looks like a cross corner dump is the play there. That's a dumb play. If you shoot from way outside the dotline flatfooted, you better be 100% the puck gets through. If not, the whole middle of the ice is open, like it was. He shot it into shinpads

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

So if Mika is out, Strome is our 1C? God help us!

They went with K-C-B last year when Mika missed time, that trio kicked ass.

They used Howden in camp though. That probably makes more sense as I don't think the other line are going to be f***ed with.

 

[Rangers in 7]

If you believe that making the playoffs is not important, you have not been paying attention. To that extent, if the PP looks good with vets and is getting results, then Quinn is not really going to be making changes.

With that said, whether or not they make the playoffs or not is not will not be the biggest factor in management's view of Quinn. If the kids continue to develop and not take steps back, will be. To that extent, I think that 3 games is hardly the accurate time to make that determination. Again, unless the Rangers are competing for the lottery and the kids are not developing, he will be back for year 4

listen there is a difference between the powerplay looking good and its continued success, the devils shaded panarin heavily and left strome wide open because hes a f***ing blackhole

 

[Shesterkybomb]

They went with K-C-B last year when Mika missed time, that trio kicked ass.

They used Howden in camp though. That probably makes more sense as I don't think the other line are going to be f***ed with.

I think its Howden, but for me if Strome doesn't start connecting some passes he needs to be dropped down a spot too, it makes for a weird top 6 though with Howden and Chytil.

 

[True Blue]

listen there is a difference between the powerplay looking good and its continued success, the devils shaded panarin heavily and left strome wide open because hes a f***ing blackhole

It was successful, looked good and he stuck with it. I am not sure that any other coach would have started shifting things around at that point.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

It was successful, looked good and he stuck with it. I am not sure that any other coach would have started shifting things around at that point.

Its been really successful over the last year but for me i still want a lefty on the right side and since Lafreniere is eventually gonna be that guy you may as well put him there now. Making cross ice passes or to the point with your stick on the wall side is tough and shooting is even tougher.

 

[Rangers in 7]

It was successful, looked good and he stuck with it. I am not sure that any other coach would have started shifting things around at that point.

obviously our powerplay was successful tonight, but you can not sit there and tell me that strome is being productive on that half wall, it needs a left handed shot. he was downright horrible last night. regardless of the fact that we scored twice on the man advantage

 

[Leonardo87]

They went with K-C-B last year when Mika missed time, that trio kicked ass.

They used Howden in camp though. That probably makes more sense as I don't think the other line are going to be f***ed with.

Yeah I remember that. Missing Mika though, is going to hurt not just our ES play, but the PP, and PK as well. I mean being obvious here, lol. Hopefully he is just a little banged up and nothing serious.

 

[Mikos87]

The Rangers scored 2 PP goals last night. 1PP also dominated Devils PK to keep them pinned in the zone for extensive periods of time. They were able to enter and setup. Yes, Strome was pretty much a passenger but you'd be kidding yourself to think an adjustment is coming.

TBH, I PREFER to have Buchnevich on the second unit instead of Strome to make the unit better. Keep Fox with PP1, have ADA run PP2 and put Trouba as RHS in the left circle there.

I'm with @Mac n Gs on this. 3 RH, 2 LH, you have the one-timer option from the off-wing. 2nd Unit is a shooting one, same set up, LH on the off-wing, cannon at the top, RH shot on the off-wing, two net front options. That should wear down their PKers and cause plenty of confusion. Would also get the shot volume to create rebounds. If you dig one of those loose, and get it to an open man, it's a tap in. When a goalie's running hot, that might be the trick. Throw it at his shins, and get an open puck to an open area or in the net from the scramble.

 

[TC82]

Looks like a cross corner dump is the play there. That's a dumb play. If you shoot from way outside the dotline flatfooted, you better be 100% the puck gets through. If not, the whole middle of the ice is open, like it was. He shot it into shinpads

Maybe, but nevertheless it's a split second decision. At 3:27 Hughes has his stick to the wide side so if Trouba shoots or dumps it cross corner and Hughes gets his stick on it, it's Trouba's fault too. All in all a shitty sequence. Lindgren was also very wide.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Id also be open to instead of running our pp1 for a min 30 or 2 mins to maybe keep Panarin and Zib on longer if they are fresh and swap the other 3 for half of the pp. Gives you some legs while keeping your two pp specialists on the ice, might confuse some teams as well.

 

[kovazub94]

I'm with @Mac n Gs on this. 3 RH, 2 LH, you have the one-timer option from the off-wing. 2nd Unit is a shooting one, same set up, LH on the off-wing, cannon at the top, RH shot on the off-wing, two net front options. That should wear down their PKers and cause plenty of confusion. Would also get the shot volume to create rebounds. If you dig one of those loose, and get it to an open man, it's a tap in. When a goalie's running hot, that might be the trick. Throw it at his shins, and get an open puck to an open area or in the net from the scramble.

I agree too, just saying Quinn is unlikely to modify 1PP set up that worked last year and so far this season.

Edit: Aren't @Mikos87 and @Mac n Gs the same guy I usually agree with