24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Winger98]

Not a bad contract for M. Pettersson but I dunno If I'd want to give him 6 years.

$5.5m is a really nice cap hit, though.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Was looking at some of the teams weekes said was in on cozens I really cant see anyone offering up a top prospect

Leafs? Who do they have in the current roster ? Robertson ...meh cant see them moving Cowan or minten

Habs ... dach? 20 pts always injury prone ... prospects maybe mesar

Flames ...sharangovich? Would they move honzek 20 yrs old ,18 pts in 34 ahl games

Wings

Veleno/berggren current roster prob compher to make cap work

Prospects that might be available for cozens?? I'd say plante/mazur/kiiskinen (can afford to do so with danielson,lombardi,nygaard, buchelnikov, finnie waiting ) cleveland/tuomisto

I'd say we have as good as a shot as anyone cause again no ones giving up a top prospect. Canucks is the real to worry about If they move pettersson

 

[Lampedampe]

$5.5m is a really nice cap hit, though.

Yeah that's a steal for sure.

This is why i want Yzerman to trade for a defenseman like Provorov or Pettersson. These defensemen get locked up where they are traded to, just like Hanifin.

I think we need to get realistic about how much space there is on the roster for the current prospects. For example, Wallinder and Buium, where do they fit in?
Even if they're great, i don't see how this team can have AlJo, ASP, Seider, Ed, Buium and Wallinder in the coming 2 years. You need vets on defense, Yzerman knows this.

These kids are assets that should be used a trade, imo.

 

[AlwaysSunnyInDetroit]

Was looking at some of the teams weekes said was in on cozens I really cant see anyone offering up a top prospect

Leafs? Who do they have in the current roster ? Robertson ...meh cant see them moving Cowan or minten

Habs ... dach? 20 pts always injury prone ... prospects maybe mesar

Flames ...sharangovich? Would they move honzek 20 yrs old ,18 pts in 34 ahl games

Wings

Veleno/berggren current roster prob compher to make cap work

Prospects that might be available for cozens?? I'd say plante/mazur/kiiskinen (can afford to do so with danielson,lombardi,nygaard, buchelnikov, finnie waiting ) cleveland/tuomisto

I'd say we have as good as a shot as anyone cause again no ones giving up a top prospect. Canucks is the real to worry about If they move pettersson

we can also afford to give up cossa for pat maroon, that doesn't make it a good trade. cozens sucks and he's expensive for a long time. just because reinhart blew up after getting out of buffalo has zero bearing on cozens potential. there's a reason his name has been involved in trade rumors for months, and it's not because buffalo believes he has 80 point potential

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Ffs nyr won and k'andre miller lead all skaters with 25 minutes of ice time ... think that ship has sailed

Shoulda struck while Drury was thinking of dealing everyone lol

 

[RED WINGS STOMP]

Yeah that's a steal for sure.

This is why i want Yzerman to trade for a defenseman like Provorov or Pettersson. These defensemen get locked up where they are traded to, just like Hanifin.

I think we need to get realistic about how much space there is on the roster for the current prospects. For example, Wallinder and Buium, where do they fit in?
Even if they're great, i don't see how this team can have AlJo, ASP, Seider, Ed, Buium and Wallinder in the coming 2 years. You need vets on defense, Yzerman knows this.

These kids are assets that should be used a trade, imo.

I mean, NHL teams seem terrified to try something like this, a home grown, young defense. But if the Wings wanted to, those six could theoretically be our top six in 26-27. Chia, Gus and Holl will have their contracts expire.

Two righties and another guy who is left but plays well on his off hand. Plus by then, wouldn't Mo pretty much be considered a veteran?

I am not saying they will do it, I am not adverse to the right trade. Just saying, if they are all great like you mentioned, they COULD do it. And why not, show some balls and be innovative? Too many crappy mid vets can really stink up a defense.

 

[Lampedampe]

I mean, NHL teams seem terrified to try something like this, a home grown, young defense. But if the Wings wanted to, those six could theoretically be our top six in 26-27. Chia, Gus and Holl will have their contracts expire.

Two righties and another guy who is left but plays well on his off hand. Plus by then, wouldn't Mo pretty much be considered a veteran?

I am not saying they will do it, I am not adverse to the right trade. Just saying, if they are all great like you mentioned, they COULD do it. And why not, show some balls and be innovative? Too many crappy mid vets can really stink up a defense.

Not saying it can't happen, but Buffalo is conducting this experiment as we speak. I'm not sure that the results are encouraging.

But yeah, Seider can defintetly be put in vet category to be fair.

Considering that the defensive core is young, i'd still argue that this team would be better off using guys like Buium and Wallinder as trade-chips. Keep the draft picks, cause they'll hopefully turn into cheap depth 3-4 years from now.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It’s a bad draft year. I’m all for giving up a 1st for ROR if one of Veleno, Compher or Copp are thrown in.

2022 is looking like a bad draft year too.

I'd take Kasper over a couple years of ROR.

 

[19 for president]

I mean, NHL teams seem terrified to try something like this, a home grown, young defense. But if the Wings wanted to, those six could theoretically be our top six in 26-27. Chia, Gus and Holl will have their contracts expire.

Two righties and another guy who is left but plays well on his off hand. Plus by then, wouldn't Mo pretty much be considered a veteran?

I am not saying they will do it, I am not adverse to the right trade. Just saying, if they are all great like you mentioned, they COULD do it. And why not, show some balls and be innovative? Too many crappy mid vets can really stink up a defense.

I get what you are saying but I think the mental factor makes this unlikely. I mean if any team could do it I would lean towards this team because Yzerman/Draper really prioritize the mental aspect when drafting. Seider would also be like 25 by this point, but again I think there is a reason you almost never see super young teams do well in the playoffs. Hockey is definitely a mental grind and it is very easy for young teams to spiral.

It should also be noted that we will overall be a very young team overall not just on D, so I think that makes it even less likely. More than half our lineup could be under 25 at that point.

Buffalo and Edm (of the pre-McDavid era) tried very young teams and it never really worked out for them.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

2022 is looking like a bad draft year too.

I'd take Kasper over a couple years of ROR.

We’re not drafting 8th this year, my dude. Wings are going to pick 14th to 18th. There’s a HUGE drop from 1-10 and 11-32. Unless Bear falls to Detroit in that range (he won’t) then I want to trade that pick for an upgrade. Also adding ROR will likely turn that 14-18 pick into a 20-24 pick.

The wings have so many former 1sts on the team with 4 more coming. Not to mention guys like Buium, Mazur, Augustine. ROR fills the 2C spot today better than anyone we have, and in 1 or 2 seasons fills the 3C role. I’d take that over a potential Kemell or Rutger McGroarty at the draft. But I don’t think 2025 is deep enough to have those types in the teens.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

We’re not drafting 8th this year, my dude. Wings are going to pick 14th to 18th. There’s a HUGE drop from 1-10 and 11-32. Unless Bear falls to Detroit in that range (he won’t) then I want to trade that pick for an upgrade. Also adding ROR will likely turn that 14-18 pick into a 20-24 pick.

The wings have so many former 1sts on the team with 4 more coming. Not to mention guys like Buium, Mazur, Augustine. ROR fills the 2C spot today better than anyone we have, and in 1 or 2 seasons fills the 3C role. I’d take that over a potential Kemell or Rutger McGroarty at the draft. But I don’t think 2025 is deep enough to have those types in the teens.

We've been good enough with our 1sts that I'm cool keeping it.

I'd also take ASP and MBN over ROR. (All the initials!)

 

[GarlicbreadTB]

We’re not drafting 8th this year, my dude. Wings are going to pick 14th to 18th. There’s a HUGE drop from 1-10 and 11-32. Unless Bear falls to Detroit in that range (he won’t) then I want to trade that pick for an upgrade. Also adding ROR will likely turn that 14-18 pick into a 20-24 pick.

The wings have so many former 1sts on the team with 4 more coming. Not to mention guys like Buium, Mazur, Augustine. ROR fills the 2C spot today better than anyone we have, and in 1 or 2 seasons fills the 3C role. I’d take that over a potential Kemell or Rutger McGroarty at the draft. But I don’t think 2025 is deep enough to have those types in the teens.

In my mind I'm hoping we get a short term 2C like a ROR who can play C and we can have Danielson on his wing like we're doing with Kasper for a year or 2 as he grows into the league.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

We’re not drafting 8th this year, my dude. Wings are going to pick 14th to 18th. There’s a HUGE drop from 1-10 and 11-32. Unless Bear falls to Detroit in that range (he won’t) then I want to trade that pick for an upgrade. Also adding ROR will likely turn that 14-18 pick into a 20-24 pick.

The wings have so many former 1sts on the team with 4 more coming. Not to mention guys like Buium, Mazur, Augustine. ROR fills the 2C spot today better than anyone we have, and in 1 or 2 seasons fills the 3C role. I’d take that over a potential Kemell or Rutger McGroarty at the draft. But I don’t think 2025 is deep enough to have those types in the teens.

Sorry not giving up a 1st for a 34 year old, rather give that pick up in a deal for k'andre miller/cozens/zegras etc...

Someone who'd be big part of the future not another future copp/compher bottom 6 guy

Worse case scenario if we keep the pick and we draft 18 be aggressive and add the 2nd + wallinder or whatever and move up 6 spots and get o'brien/Bear or whomever is available there we like

 

[FMichael]

I'm not sure the blues are interested in trading Fowler. This article ( With Nick Leddy back, will Blues move any veteran defensemen before NHL trade deadline? ) lists Leddy, Faulk and Krug as potential trades. The blues writer lists them all as "hard to move" so not sure we should have a lot of interest in Faulk. In fact the writer suggest he (faulk) is a borderline negative value asset.

We should have been in on Fowler in the first place. Blues gave up a future 2nd and a 22 year old ECHL/AHL tweener. Big time missed opportunity there.

Is it me, or has our previous trades with the Blues more or less crapped out?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

We've been good enough with our 1sts that I'm cool keeping it.

I'd also take ASP and MBN over ROR. (All the initials!)

You’re not finding an MBN or ASP in the teens this year. That’s 2026.

 

[RRhoads]

It is not the the time where we give up 1sts for aging vets. That is what you do when you are hopeful of being a contender and making a run for the cup.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You’re not finding an MBN or ASP in the teens this year. That’s 2026.

You can find good players in a bad draft if you're good at drafting/developing lol.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

It is not the the time where we give up 1sts for aging vets. That is what you do when you are hopeful of being a contender and making a run for the cup.

This is where Ottawa's rebuild went off the rails.

And they weren't doing it for aging vets, but when its guys who don't want to be with your team, it's the same effect. You lose both in the long haul.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

It is not the the time where we give up 1sts for aging vets. That is what you do when you are hopeful of being a contender and making a run for the cup.

Even there we have to be careful not to give up 1sts for aging vets every year like we did before just to make the playoffs etc...

I'd hate to go through another 10+ year rebuild lol... no saying never to do it, just have to be the years we really think we can win

Be nice to have some prospects coming up every few seasons ,or we can use the 1st to get a teams young asset like a future zegras, Cozens that seems to have fallen out of favor over a pure rental

Again not saying not to do it just dont want to be the next penguins again and redo this all over again in my lifetime lol

 

[norrisnick]

Pining for ROR is just insanity.
Pining for ROR AND tossing young assets/1st rounders is just f***ing stupid.
You go down that road, you fully deserve the shitshow that follows. I want no part of it.
Everyone can see how well it's working for Nashville and that's a place he chose to go to.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

With so many teams after cozens as much as I'd like to get him I dont think the sabres will redo the reinhart trade and deal him in the division and constantly be haunted

It would have to be a much better deal than everyone else. What about the ducks ?? I would take zegras but I suspect yzerman wouldnt ... what about mctavish?????

Anaheim Ducks 2024-25 roster and scoring statistics at hockeydb.com

Ducks team as a whole have been underwhelming. Mctavish's numbers have been meh for 3 yrs now,carlsson and zegras 2. I think theyll make changes

Dont think itll be mctavish and verbeek wont be easy to deal with but can we make it so its hard for verbeek to say no?? Hes someone who'd show up in the post season

Off the top of my head 1st + nygaard + compher ??? Too much ? What could be an offer?

Preference would be cozens and I dont think mctavish would be moved but he could be someone worth targeting

 

[Euro Twins]

We’re not drafting 8th this year, my dude. Wings are going to pick 14th to 18th. There’s a HUGE drop from 1-10 and 11-32. Unless Bear falls to Detroit in that range (he won’t) then I want to trade that pick for an upgrade. Also adding ROR will likely turn that 14-18 pick into a 20-24 pick.

The wings have so many former 1sts on the team with 4 more coming. Not to mention guys like Buium, Mazur, Augustine. ROR fills the 2C spot today better than anyone we have, and in 1 or 2 seasons fills the 3C role. I’d take that over a potential Kemell or Rutger McGroarty at the draft. But I don’t think 2025 is deep enough to have those types in the teens.

And we drafted buchelnikov at 52 in a weak draft class. What's your point?

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

You can find good players in a bad draft if you're good at drafting/developing lol.

If only it were that simple this team would look like a dynasty instead of a bubble team.

You’re not guaranteed a hit every draft. If your 1st rounder is much more likely to unearth your next 3rd line winger in 4-5 years you’re better off trading it today for a 2nd liner that can help the team over the next 3.

This team can take the next step but they need vets that can pull their weight. Complain about ROR’s age all you want, he’s still better than Copp, Compher and Veleno by a wide margin.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

If only it were that simple this team would look like a dynasty instead of a bubble team.

You’re not guaranteed a hit every draft. If your 1st rounder is much more likely to unearth your next 3rd line winger in 4-5 years you’re better off trading it today for a 2nd liner that can help the team over the next 3.

This team can take the next step but they need vets that can pull their weight. Complain about ROR’s age all you want, he’s still better than Copp, Compher and Veleno by a wide margin.

Which first rounder under Yzerman's run hasn't been a hit so far?

I don't have a problem with ROR at all, BTW. I have a problem with not being a Cup contender, but trading 1sts for guys who aren't going to be here when we are a Cup contender.

 

[JohanFranzenstein]

They are too old for our competitive window. People need to bury this desire to make a trade simply to chase a playoff spot this year. Any trade needs to make us better when we are expected to be competitive in the playoffs. Making a trade simply to make the playoffs as an 8 seed is foolish.

I'd rather make the playoffs as an 8 seed than not make it at all and get another 13-16 overall draft pick. The kids need to see what the playoffs are like. This way, they're better prepared when the time comes for a deep run.

Schenn is an upgrade over Holl, only signed until 2026, is a champion, and would likely cost a 3rd to get. I see no harm in making a trade for him.