24/25 Waivers/Rumors/TDL Thread.

[Euro Twins]

Just talk Nashville into letting go of Ryan O'Rielly and get both Him and Luke Schenn.

Ryan O'Rielly and Luke Schenn solve some serious problems currently for our team. Idk what the price would be... 1st round pick and Nate Danielson+ some player contract?

You want to trade Danielson AND. A first + for a 33 year old and a 35 year old? If this was 5 years ago I'd probably agree.

But no absolutely not.

If we're trading Danielson it better be for a top 2 center in their 20's

 

[Snuggs]

ROR is 33. What exactly are you trying to accomplish?

Luke Schenn is 35 and barely playing 15 min a night.

What year do people think it is?

So, what's both of your points since I can't answer your rhetorical questions?

Red Wings are worst with these guys on the roster? 1st rdp + Good prospect like Danielson + cap dump like Veleno/Holl is too much?

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Faulk or Fowler would both be good gets imo. Not long term contracts and with cap going up both are decent cap hits (especially Fowler with some already retained).

Wings and blues have made a lot of moves together in past

I don't see how Fowler matches our window at this point. I want to improve the defense as much as the next guy but it needs to be thoughtful.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

So, what's both of your points since I can't answer your rhetorical questions?

Red Wings are worst with these guys on the roster? 1st rdp + Good prospect like Danielson + cap dump like Veleno/Holl is too much?

RoR is not worth a 1st plus Danielson...come on now

He'll go to Toronto for a bottom 5 1st rd pick and some B level prospect and a cap dump

 

[datsyukfan]

I don't see how Fowler matches our window at this point. I want to improve the defense as much as the next guy but it needs to be thoughtful.

Ferraro from SJ was another I thought could be a nice fit

 

[Snuggs]

You want to trade Danielson AND. A first + for a 33 year old and a 35 year old? If this was 5 years ago I'd probably agree.

But no absolutely not.

If we're trading Danielson it better be for a top 2 center in their 20's

Well maybe someone else but Danielson then, but I figured they'd want a pretty good prospect coming back. Ryan O'Rielly legitmately isn't bad still and very useful as a middle line center.

Schenn would just replace Holl.

 

[SirloinUB]

Well maybe someone else but Danielson then, but I figured they'd want a pretty good prospect coming back. Ryan O'Rielly legitmately isn't bad still and very useful as a middle line center.

Schenn would just replace Holl.

I don't mind the idea of adding those two but if its going to cost me a 1st or Danielson, I simply don't do it. Trading both? Woof, that is terrible.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

I'm watching seravalli on dailyfaceoff doing mock trades and seth jones came up. I'm sure it wont go well with some fans but if hawks are so desperate to get rid of him I'm liking him as a possible option

Hes played on horrible teams his career but I think he'd do better here and can log 25+ minutes a game and is under contract for 5 years. Would allow us to ease pellikka in for 2-3 years and use him as a ppl specialist

I'd only do it if hawks ate 25% though and he'd be at 7.125. Maybe wallinder+2nd rd pick+3rd+veleno+holl... wed have to make the salary work and moving wallinder would be ok with johansson pelikka being big pieces and still ha e buium Cleveland in the system

Wont happen but then also trade gustafsson and a pick for soucy

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson jones
Soucy Johansson

would allow pellikka to play a season in g.r if that's the plan and I think we get in the playoffs and make some possible noise with that dcore

Its alot of moves so no I dont expect this to happen especially Jones but if hes available at around 7 mill I'd make a call

 

[jkutswings]

I don't mind the idea of adding those two but if its going to cost me a 1st or Danielson, I simply don't do it. Trading both? Woof, that is terrible.

I no longer have any attachment to draft picks - I don't see any undrafted prospects developing soon enough to contribute significantly to this core. But I agree that it's not worth dealing those particular assets for essentially rentals.

Now if it's the other extreme and somehow a Tage Thompson or a Clayton Keller become available, I'll send multiple first round picks in a heartbeat. But Detroit's first choice should be to aim high for good players that fit the timeline long term, then to target solid shorter term help without breaking the bank.

 

[SirloinUB]

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I no longer have any attachment to draft picks - I don't see any undrafted prospects developing soon enough to contribute significantly to this core. But I agree that it's not worth dealing those particular assets for essentially rentals.

Now if it's the other extreme and somehow a Tage Thompson or a Clayton Keller become available, I'll send multiple first round picks in a heartbeat. But Detroit's first choice should be to aim high for good players that fit the timeline long term, then to target solid shorter term help without breaking the bank.

Agreed. Those pieces are absolutely available for a mid 20s top 6 forwad/top 3 defender.

They’re not available for 32+ (exact age is somewhat arbitrary but I think you get the idea) year olds looking for one last kick at the can.

 

[19 for president]

Agreed. Those pieces are absolutely available for a mid 20s top 6 forwad/top 3 defender.

They’re not available for 32+ (exact age is somewhat arbitrary but I think you get the idea) year olds looking for one last kick at the can.

Yeah if we are talking long term contributor I am 100% ok dealing a 1st. I maybe consider Danielson in the deal only if we are getting an established young center back. He is what I consider our only true top 6 center prospect. I love Kasper but I strongly feel his offensive game is much better suited to the wing long term (he may still prove me wrong here). At some point Larkin isn't going to be a #1 center and we need to prepare for that or end up as a team with a massive hole in its lineup.

If we are dealing for any other position besides young center I would deal any other prospect (incl ASP & Cossa) before Danielson. I wouldn't rank him higher than ASP or Cossa, but we have Ed & Seider at D and we have Augustine in goal. Ammo is the only maybe top 6 center, and I still lean wing for him at the NHL level.

I am not dealing a 1st for anyone that won't be core contributor here for at least 4 seasons. Needs to at least be a DBC level deal (maybe not here for our hopeful cup years, but someone who legitimately helps carry the play).

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I'm watching seravalli on dailyfaceoff doing mock trades and seth jones came up. I'm sure it wont go well with some fans but if hawks are so desperate to get rid of him I'm liking him as a possible option

Hes played on horrible teams his career but I think he'd do better here and can log 25+ minutes a game and is under contract for 5 years. Would allow us to ease pellikka in for 2-3 years and use him as a ppl specialist

I'd only do it if hawks ate 25% though and he'd be at 7.125. Maybe wallinder+2nd rd pick+3rd+veleno+holl... wed have to make the salary work and moving wallinder would be ok with johansson pelikka being big pieces and still ha e buium Cleveland in the system

Wont happen but then also trade gustafsson and a pick for soucy

Chiarot seider
Edvinsson jones
Soucy Johansson

would allow pellikka to play a season in g.r if that's the plan and I think we get in the playoffs and make some possible noise with that dcore

Its alot of moves so no I dont expect this to happen especially Jones but if hes available at around 7 mill I'd make a call

Seth jones is only worth it at 5 mill.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Seth jones is only worth it at 5 mill.

I cant see hawks retaining 50% of 9.5 x5 ... I do think hes had the misfortune of playing for cbj and hawks back to back and he'd be way better off on our team

Can log in 25+ mins a night, caps going up ... a bunch of cheap contracts coming for our team for years I think we'd be able to manage him at 7 for 5 years with larkin raymond seider locked up and I'd expect edvinsson at 7-7.5 to join them soon

I understand why you some fans would be against it. I just think he'd be good here but I would rather target hague,miller,oleksiak before him

Left side would be my preference

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

I cant see hawks retaining 50% of 9.5 x5 ... I do think hes had the misfortune of playing for cbj and hawks back to back and he'd be way better off on our team

Can log in 25+ mins a night, caps going up ... a bunch of cheap contracts coming for our team for years I think we'd be able to manage him at 7 for 5 years with larkin raymond seider locked up and I'd expect edvinsson at 7-7.5 to join them soon

I understand why you some fans would be against it. I just think he'd be good here but I would rather target hague,miller,oleksiak before him

Left side would be my preference

Yeah there’s no way they retain that much, so the point is moot. Because Seth jones at 7 mill doesn’t move the needle for our team. Especially when edvinsson is about to get paid too. In a couple seasons he would be bottom pair here. You’re comfortable with giving a bottom pair guy 7 million?

 

[SirloinUB]

Cozens rumours continue to circulate…

I like the idea but have been uncomfortable with the risk.

Arguably his worst season this year. 2nd year of decline, big contract and Buffalo probably wants a haul, especially in division.

The upside is real but so is the risk.

Tough decision imo

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Yeah there’s no way they retain that much, so the point is moot. Because Seth jones at 7 mill doesn’t move the needle for our team. Especially when edvinsson is about to get paid too. In a couple seasons he would be bottom pair here. You’re comfortable with giving a bottom pair guy 7 million?

Like I said I think the left side is a priority but with the way johansson has performed he can go back and dare I say maybe pair with seider if we made this deal??

Like I said depends if the plan is to see pellikka play a year in g.r. I'd rather that it's not the case but if he does then when he comes we can make him a ppl specialist and ease him in for 2 years and then switch jones on the 3rd pair for years 4 and 5

At that point your right would be alot of $ but I'm thinking our core group of guys will be signed longterm and the caps going up so we should be ok

If by then our 3rd pair is Johansson Jones or buium Jones I think wed be looking at a really stacked roster contending for cups with kasper danielson etc.. in and only better

Jones coming here and being a 30-45 pt dman playing a ton of minutes would instantly make us better

If we can get a 3rd team involved to eat a further 1+ and make him a 5.75 dman even better. Think in 2-3 years we'd have seider edvinsson Jones pellikka all capable of putting 40+ pts

It's all fantasy talk and like I said the left side is more important and I'd be really happy with k'andre miller so hopefully rangers miss the playoffs and then is have np if we get in to throw a 1st + wallinder + somethin extra to New York

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

Cozens rumours continue to circulate…

I like the idea but have been uncomfortable with the risk.

Arguably his worst season this year. 2nd year of decline, big contract and Buffalo probably wants a haul, especially in division.

The upside is real but so is the risk.

Tough decision imo

I would love cozens ... buffalo is where players go to die .... I think hed bounce back here bigtime

And if kane comes back next season

Kasper Larkin raymond
Debrincat cozens kane
Soderblom danielson berggren
Rasmussen copp mazur

I'd say we'd be ready to take the league by storm ... add k'andre Miller somehow,replace chiarot with soucy next season

Miller seider
Edvinsson johansson
soucy pellikka

K I'm getting too excited now and thinking cups lol

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Ferraro from SJ was another I thought could be a nice fit

I like Ferraro a lot, but question how much room we now have for undersized defensemen

 

[Coach Reggie Dunlop]

Cozens rumours continue to circulate…

I like the idea but have been uncomfortable with the risk.

Arguably his worst season this year. 2nd year of decline, big contract and Buffalo probably wants a haul, especially in division.

The upside is real but so is the risk.

Tough decision imo

It’s an easy decision. You don’t trade for him. They’d want players like kasper and danielson, in no way am I comfortable with trading for a guy who is overpaid by like 2 million while using our best assets. I think people are obsessed with making a trade just to make it. There’s no reason for us to move any of our impact prospects right now unless it’s a deal you can’t pass up.

 

[redwingsfannn9191]

It’s an easy decision. You don’t trade for him. They’d want players like kasper and danielson, in no way am I comfortable with trading for a guy who is overpaid by like 2 million while using our best assets. I think people are obsessed with making a trade just to make it. There’s no reason for us to move any of our impact prospects right now unless it’s a deal you can’t pass up.

This is the buffalo sabres we're talking about ... awfully run organization we see players leave and perform better elsewhere

I went and check for the fun of it and reinhart got dealt for a 1st and levi and had 25 goals and 40 pts in just over 50 games. With cozens currently struggling and his contract I do think it can be to our advantage

I'd 100% not include our top prospects ... wed have to make the salary work so maybe something like veleno+ Compher+ 1st rd pick + tuomisto or a kiiskinen(not all our prospects will make it)

I can't see any teams offering a top prospect only thing that might get in our way is if the canucks decide to just be done with pettersson

And if we really wanted to we can ask the hawks to take a 1 mill cap hit for 5 yrs for a 3rd and viro/hanas type deal since they're rebuilding And want picks and have cozens at 6 if some fans are weary

I think it's a good bet to make , if he was playing like this in like colorado I wouldn't make the trade. Buffalo?no hesitation

 

[RedHawkDown]

I still have time for Cozens. I don't think he would take that much to get, given his salary and real questions about his upside moving forward. It's not a zero-risk move for us.

Buffalo needs competent veterans, not more prospects, as they have those out the ass.

I'd offer something like Compher + Veleno/Berggren + Wallinder + 2025 2nd, and I think that gets it done.

 

[SirloinUB]

This is the buffalo sabres we're talking about ... awfully run organization we see players leave and perform better elsewhere

I went and check for the fun of it and reinhart got dealt for a 1st and levi and had 25 goals and 40 pts in just over 50 games. With cozens currently struggling and his contract I do think it can be to our advantage

I'd 100% not include our top prospects ... wed have to make the salary work so maybe something like veleno+ Compher+ 1st rd pick + tuomisto or a kiiskinen(not all our prospects will make it)

I can't see any teams offering a top prospect only thing that might get in our way is if the canucks decide to just be done with pettersson

And if we really wanted to we can ask the hawks to take a 1 mill cap hit for 5 yrs for a 3rd and viro/hanas type deal since they're rebuilding And want picks and have cozens at 6 if some fans are weary

I think it's a good bet to make , if he was playing like this in like colorado I wouldn't make the trade. Buffalo?no hesitation

The thing is Buffalo can't afford to lose this trade, especially to a divisional rival. You'd have to expect to move a top prospect. Your proposal is a no brainer for Detroit but I don't see it being enough. If a 1st, Compher Veleno and a B level prospect is enough they will probably find a dance partner that isn't within their division.

Reinhart is also a poor comparison because he was a year or two way from Free Agency.

 

[KJoe88]

I just want Stevie to make a trade to help this team.

Surpassing the Sens (who are insufferable) would make it worth it.

f*** it. Get EP40, Cozens, Soucy, all of ‘em.

 

[Ricelund]

I don't think the Cozens thing will materialize... maybe it made sense to shake things up when the team was struggling but why do it now?

 

[schuelma24]

I don't think the Cozens thing will materialize... maybe it made sense to shake things up when the team was struggling but why do it now?

Yeah, unless the Sabres are extremely desperate and the deal is futures and vets, I don't see the need.