Ulf5
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I checked more into the tweet I posted about EP not being in the lineup last night. Turns out he was a game time decision and not in the lineup. As opposed to healthy and not in the lineup as I presumed.
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Salary Cap: '24-'25 Salary Thread: Crosbicles Volume MMXXV - Poolman and Poolparty?!?
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pistolpete11
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I know, but Google "Elias Pettersson trade". There's rumors....I might even go as far to say reports....that there's trouble in paradise between he and Miller. And that the Canucks might be forced to trade one and could end up trading Pettersson because he's younger, less baggage, and doesn't have trade protection, so they could get more for him.
AuroraBorealis
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How'd you not have an adblocker all this time lol
Andy pls
Le Magnifique 66
Let's Go Pens
The way he is going right now, I'd be really curious to see what could be acquired if we moved a guy like Rakell!! On pace for 35+ goals
I would honestly expect something around the Zucker return. 1st, prospect, cap dump. With some flex between a 1st and 2nd pending the prospect.
Say it's the Oilers - Sam O'Reilly, 2nd, Kane is something I could see.
McGroarty2
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Darren McCord
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Ulf5
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Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
That is the Marcus Pettersson deal, right there. I think Edmonton wants him, and that is more or less the return. Jeff Skinner does not want to move and he has a full NMC. Evander Kane is in the same boat, but perhaps he would be more willing. Either way, that should be what we ask for in a Pettersson deal.
Personally, I would like Matt Savoie over Sam O'Reilly but O'Reilly is probably more likely to stick at center with Mike Sullivan, and even though that should NOT be a factor it probably is.
chethejet
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Malkin is skating but still has wrist issues. Not sure what the injury is but maybe a week or so is about the time missed from here. One thing Hextall did was not extend Geno for more than 4 years. He was a player I could see injuries past and present becoming an issue. I keep Rakell until the off season but my first move is Karlsson, then Rust in the off season.
He literally resigned Letang for 6 years after he's had two strokes...
Empoleon8771
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Unpopular opinion: what Rakell is doing at L1 LW just reinforces how unnecessary it would have been to re-sign Guentzel to play him with Crosby. Rakell isn't Guentzel but you're not getting much of a production downgrade by replacing Guentzel with Rakell on L1.
That said, they desperately need to get Malkin someone on par with Guentzel or better because Malkin just isn't capable of carrying a line like Crosby anymore. Bunting is a nice complementary L2 LW and net front guy, but they need an actual play driver on L2. Signing Marner and running with this top-6 is such a no brainer if Marner would actually come here:
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Marner
My stance on the tradeable big names on this team (Rust, Rakell, Bunting and Karlsson) has become pretty firm: I'm only trading them if they're bringing back great returns. I'm not trading them for the sake of trading them if the return doesn't justify it.
That said, they desperately need to get Malkin someone on par with Guentzel or better because Malkin just isn't capable of carrying a line like Crosby anymore. Bunting is a nice complementary L2 LW and net front guy, but they need an actual play driver on L2. Signing Marner and running with this top-6 is such a no brainer if Marner would actually come here:
Rakell-Crosby-Rust
Bunting-Malkin-Marner
My stance on the tradeable big names on this team (Rust, Rakell, Bunting and Karlsson) has become pretty firm: I'm only trading them if they're bringing back great returns. I'm not trading them for the sake of trading them if the return doesn't justify it.
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Ragamuffin Gunner
Lost in the Flood
Dman and Goalies really rely on the system in front of them to succeed. Graves was good in COL and NJ but sucks here. No goalie has looked good under Sully for years. You might not get a lot fo them but they're movable.I think both Jarry and Graves are tradeable. There's always some team desperate for a goalie. The Avs just traded for Wedgewood and gave him the Jarry contract more or less.
With the cap going up, I don't think either guy really has an untradeable contract.
The bigger issue is that this team probably wants too much in return, which is anything more than future considerations tbh. Both guys are addition by subtraction. Which, to be fair, can be said about like half this roster.
Just look at Blackwood or Kuemper. Mid-goalies on bad teams to great goalies on good teams. How about when we paid VGK to take MAF and he won the Vezina in year 2?
Also, people need to start thinking about players with time left on their deals as positive assets and not as a negative. With the cap going up, and years on deals signed when the cap was low will be great when it jumps next summer.
Gurglesons
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I'd honestly rather acquire JT Miller. I want someone that adds more aggression both on the ice and off. We need more swagger on this team.
And who would we give up for him...
Empoleon8771
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I'd rather acquire Miller as well especially because it moves Malkin to RW, which I think he needs to do. Issue is you're paying to acquire Miller while you could get Marner for nothing beyond a huge UFA deal.
To me, a better middle ground to the Marner or Miller discussion would be Bennett, assuming he makes it to FA.
We need a center badly. Miller costs assets, Marner will be uber expensive. I think Bennett will cash in but certainly not at the level Marner will. You can probably get him for what Miller is making.
Raks-Sid-Rust
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We need a center badly. Miller costs assets, Marner will be uber expensive. I think Bennett will cash in but certainly not at the level Marner will. You can probably get him for what Miller is making.
Raks-Sid-Rust
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Gurglesons
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I think the trade would be built around Marcus Pettersson and him re-signing.
"Jake is unnecessary" & "Malkin needs a Jake caliber winger" seem like contradicting points.
I agree that there isn't a point to trade guys just to trade them though, especially with the team in contention for a playoff spot. Perhaps it would make more sense to take merely ok returns just to clear salary in the summer to take a run at Marner or whoever but mid season there isn't a lot of point to that so long as the team is in the running for a spot.
Empoleon8771
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You cut off the important part there, I said it was not needed to re-sign Guentzel to play with Crosby. They still need a Guentzel caliber guy or better to play with Malkin, but Rakell is showing Guentzel was not needed on L1.
The easiest solution there would have just been “play Guentzel with Malkin” but Sullivan pretty much never did that. That said I think they can remedy it by signing Marner, who’s even better than Guentzel.
Coastal Kev
There will be "I told you so's" Bet on it
You want to bring in a 31 year old forward with a huge contract???????????
You sir are Penguins Front Office material. Apply NOW
Empoleon8771
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You want to bring in a 31 year old forward with a huge contract???????????
You sir are Penguins Front Office material. Apply NOW
It's like you ignored the second part of that post which said I didn't want to pay assets for Miller, hence why I want them to get Marner.
I'd prefer Miller over Marner in isolation but I don't want to pay assets for Miller.
Gurglesons
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You want to bring in a 31 year old forward with a huge contract???????????
You sir are Penguins Front Office material. Apply NOW
8 million for 5 more years after this one.
Shouldn't be an issue to move that in 3 years. And if it is, we are trying to suck.
The issue with Bennett and Marner is you are likely having to offer them 7 years. Miller has 5 and you probably can get him for cheap.
I think the cool part was always have Jake and Rakell and no Rust.
