Boston Bruins 24-25 Roster/Cap thread IX

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Does that mean Poitras doesn’t have much value either?
Lysell on year 3 of AHL career. He’s at half point per game this season.

Poitras on GAME 8 in the AHL. 5 assists. Not exactly tearing it up, but not 3 seasons worth of AHL data to analyze.

With any luck they both step up soon. I’d put my money on Poitras having a better career if I were forced to choose between the two. Neither has been impressive this season.
 

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Does that mean Poitras doesn’t have much value either?
Guess not since he has never played for the Bruins either. Oh wait. One is clearly part of the Bruins future and one who knows (hasn't sniffed a game in 2 1/4 seasons), but you were intentionally being an ass I would imagine knowing Zacha, Lindy and Coyle are a lot different as top 3 centers over their wingers.
 
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Lysell on year 3 of AHL career. He’s at half point per game this season.

Poitras on GAME 8 in the AHL. 5 assists. Not exactly tearing it up, but not 3 seasons worth of AHL data to analyze.

With any luck they both step up soon. I’d put my money on Poitras having a better career if I were forced to choose between the two. Neither has been impressive this season.
Just his normal schtick, Teflon Don is his ride or die.
 
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Guess not since he has never played for the Bruins either. Oh wait. One is clearly part of the Bruins future and one who knows (hasn't sniffed a game in 2 1/4 seasons), but you were intentionally being an ass I would imagine knowing Zacha, Lindy and Coyle are a lot different as top 3 centers over their wingers.
He’s 21 years old. You’ve decided that he has little value because Geekie is in the top 6 and GMs are such mouth breathers they can’t possibly look any deeper to determine a players worth. Brazeau is on a 20 goal pace by the way…Come on man.

Lysell on year 3 of AHL career. He’s at half point per game this season.

Poitras on GAME 8 in the AHL. 5 assists. Not exactly tearing it up, but not 3 seasons worth of AHL data to analyze.

With any luck they both step up soon. I’d put my money on Poitras having a better career if I were forced to choose between the two. Neither has been impressive this season.
Well if you’re going to use 2.25 years against him at 21 years old, he’s a .75 PPG for his AHL career.
 

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He’s 21 years old. You’ve decided that he has little value because Geekie is in the top 6 and GMs are such mouth breathers they can’t possibly look any deeper to determine a players worth. Brazeau is on a 20 goal pace by the way…Come on man.


Well if you’re going to use 2.25 years against him at 21 years old, he’s a .75 PPG for his AHL career.
To this point Lysell has been disappointing in his development, and value has certainly dropped
 
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He’s 21 years old. You’ve decided that he has little value because Geekie is in the top 6 and GMs are such mouth breathers they can’t possibly look any deeper to determine a players worth. Brazeau is on a 20 goal pace by the way…Come on man.


Well if you’re going to use 2.25 years against him at 21 years old, he’s a .75 PPG for his AHL career.
2 1/4 years of AHL play and no call ups with a team that can’t score. How much value do you think he has? I’ve always been a fan and wonder why they don’t trust him to play during the regular season Only one other forward who isnt a collegian hasn’t at least had a little taste drafted before him. What’s the deal?
 
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Granlund would certainly help this team with scoring, and I'd be lying if I said I wouldn't be excited to see him play with Pasta... but I worry about the price.

He's likely to be the premier rental on the market at the deadline and that usually means a 1st round pick. So are we really going to give up our 1st for a 33 year old UFA that we'll probably try to re-sign to justify the price we paid to get him? Next year we won't have a high-end young player to add to the prospect pool and we'll be wondering when the wheels are going to fall off another player in his mid-30's on the roster.

If I'm giving up our 1st I want it to be for a young player in need of a fresh start.

Or at least term (Krieder). But I don’t think The Rangers would be looking for firsts but for a hockey trade, realistically.
 
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Does that mean Poitras doesn’t have much value either?
If Poitras is about to turn 22, and is scoring at .5 ppg in the AHL while having some injury concerns...
sure.

But as of now this is a stupid comparison, and I think you probably deep down know that.

He’s 21 years old. You’ve decided that he has little value because Geekie is in the top 6 and GMs are such mouth breathers they can’t possibly look any deeper to determine a players worth. Brazeau is on a 20 goal pace by the way…Come on man.


Well if you’re going to use 2.25 years against him at 21 years old, he’s a .75 PPG for his AHL career.
He's 22 in a month. If he's still at performing about the same, you'll just forge the "21 years old" defense and come up with a new one.
 

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If Poitras is about to turn 22, and is scoring at .5 ppg in the AHL while having some injury concerns...
sure.

But as of now this is a stupid comparison, and I think you probably deep down know that.


He's 22 in a month. If he's still at performing about the same, you'll just forge the "21 years old" defense and come up with a new one.
I take issue with the reductive reasoning in the OP - that because Geekie and Brazeau are in the Top 6 other GMs have dropped Lysell’s value. That’s just not how the world works.
 

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He’s 21 years old. You’ve decided that he has little value because Geekie is in the top 6 and GMs are such mouth breathers they can’t possibly look any deeper to determine a players worth. Brazeau is on a 20 goal pace by the way…Come on man.


Well if you’re going to use 2.25 years against him at 21 years old, he’s a .75 PPG for his AHL career.
This team is absolutely desperate for wingers, and Lysell still hasn’t gotten himself within a sniff. Year 3 in Providence. Occams Razor
 

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Is t Occam’s Razor around here to blame Sweeney? Why isn’t different for Lysell?
Lysell will be lucky to have the career of Joe Colborne imo. I’m not necessarily blaming Sweeney for that. I’m clearly not a fan of Sweeney. He’s like Shanahan of the 49ers imo, the team has had success despite him, his “leadership” has prevented the team from championships.
 
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2 1/4 years of AHL play and no call ups with a team that can’t score. How much value do you think he has? I’ve always been a fan and wonder why they don’t trust him to play during the regular season Only one other forward who isnt a collegian hasn’t at least had a little taste drafted before him. What’s the deal?
Montgomery didn't like playing the kids throughout his tenor here. In regards to Lysell, I don't blame Montgomery in this case because he coached the most winning-est regular season team, and last season Lysell was not going to beat out Heinen or DeBrusk when he still had holes in his game defensively that he was working through last year in Providence.

However, I don't think there's an excuse from Montgomery or Sweeney for not giving Lysell a look this year. He should have spent more time with veteran players in the preseason like he had with Marchand and Coyle in years past. This team desperately needs players that can skate fast and make plays, but they refuse to give Lysell a look.

I'm in the call up Poitras and Lysell camp. However, Lysell is out with an injury again, and I think it may be time to question if he can stay healthy. Right now he has little value, and if I'm an opposing GM, he should be considered a project player with potential in any deal.
 

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This team is absolutely desperate for wingers, and Lysell still hasn’t gotten himself within a sniff. Year 3 in Providence. Occams Razor
Was a 19 year old wing going to get a shot on a 135 point team?

Lysell was still seeing butterflies at the start of the 2023 season, but the lack of a call up at the end doesn't speak of confidence.

He's been injured pretty much all of this season.

Only definitive thing I'd say is he's been unlucky with injuries. His biggest/worst was a palooka going across half a sheet of ice to elbow him in the brain, then jump him, so I'm not ready to board the prone wagon just yet.
 
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Montgomery didn't like playing the kids throughout his tenor here. In regards to Lysell, I don't blame Montgomery in this case because he coached the most winning-est regular season team, and last season Lysell was not going to beat out Heinen or DeBrusk when he still had holes in his game defensively that he was working through last year in Providence.

However, I don't think there's an excuse from Montgomery or Sweeney for not giving Lysell a look this year. He should have spent more time with veteran players in the preseason like he had with Marchand and Coyle in years past. This team desperately needs players that can skate fast and make plays, but they refuse to give Lysell a look.

I'm in the call up Poitras and Lysell camp. However, Lysell is out with an injury again, and I think it may be time to question if he can stay healthy. Right now he has little value, and if I'm an opposing GM, he should be considered a project player with potential in any deal.
I am a Poitras fan, but he has to learn how to play against men and protect himself from headhunters instead of watching the puck on his stick. That's why he's down there. I'm all for it. He'll be back.

Perhaps I'm being unfair, but everything I have heard about Lysell in Providence raises red flags. He's a one-man show. Still. According to Providence Journal writer Mark Divver and the Herald's Steve Conroy, he's done nothing of note to help the p-bruins.

If he can't help Providence, how is he going to help Boston?

If I'm wrong about this, please inform.
 

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Was a 19 year old wing going to get a shot on a 135 point team?

Lysell was still seeing butterflies at the start of the 2023 season, but the lack of a call up at the end doesn't speak of confidence.

He's been injured pretty much all of this season.

Only definitive thing I'd say is he's been unlucky with injuries. His biggest/worst was a palooka going across half a sheet of ice to elbow him in the brain, then jump him, so I'm not ready to board the prone wagon just yet.
This thread is giving me Zach Senyshyn dejavu


 

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This thread is giving me Zach Senyshyn dejavu



I was giving Mougenel the side eye for his uncharacteristic presser, but Lysell finished last season strong. So, good job, Ryan, I guess.

Is there a particular reason I, or anyone else, should be sold on some internet nobody's twitter analysis of one preseason game? If that was the first one Lysell drew in, yeah, he definitely sucked. He wound up with two turkeys, one good performance and another on the positive side, though not great.

Lysell may or may not make it in the NHL, but I'll stick to my own opinions from seeing him play, not a bunch of donkeys who think he's a bust, citing an 8 game AHL sample while slotting him into trades with other non-favorites for top-6 offensive help.
 

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