Post-Game Talk: #24 - 11/24/18 | capitals @ RANGERS | 2:00 - MSG, NHLN

[The S5]

You're doing exactly what I talked about. Excuses.

It's luck that every team but us gets it done.

I never understood the position that "other teams missed" on certain players. The Rangers seem to always miss on these players, at times heroically. I would love for them to go with the chalk. Last year, it was Mittelstadt, followed by a long list of players that should have been taken before Lias. This is an original six franchise and has never had a dominant forward. Its uncanny.

 

[Machinehead]

It is my one fear about the upcoming draft. This team is blind when it comes to drafting centers. I hope to the high heavens they aren’t ‘satisfied ‘ with the center position right now. If they are, then they’re not serious about contending for a Cup. Chytil is best on the wing, Howden may top out as a 2C, and I don’t have a good read on Andersson. I see redundancy more than depth. If they have a shot at Dach or Cozens, I really hope they don’t pass on them because of how good they feel about their centers. Just like there was no need to take Lindbolm when players like Wise and Olofsson were available.

This is why the talk of trading Hayes scares me. Not because of Hayes -- they could trade him or not, and I don't think either outcome will change Rangers history.

It's because they seem to think they have a glut of centers. They don't.

They have one top 6 center here long-term. One. That's Mika Zibanejad.

Other than that they have one kid who's played 20 good games as a 3C, another who's played 20 good games at wing, and another who hasn't played any good games in the NHL.

You can move centers to wing. You can't move wings to center.

 

[darko]

I never understood the position that "other teams missed" on certain players. The Rangers seem to always miss on these players, at times heroically. I would love for them to go with the chalk. Last year, it was Mittelstadt, followed by a long list of players that should have been taken before Lias. This is an original six franchise and has never had a dominant forward. Its uncanny.

What's wrong with Lias pick? I'm sure Mittelstadt is tearing the league apart right now.

 

[Machinehead]

I never understood the position that "other teams missed" on certain players. The Rangers seem to always miss on these players, at times heroically. I would love for them to go with the chalk. Last year, it was Mittelstadt, followed by a long list of players that should have been taken before Lias. This is an original six franchise and has never had a dominant forward. Its uncanny.

For any one player you could say lots of teams missed. It's that we miss again and again and again.

 

[Leetch3]

I’m right there with you. He’s looked fantastic and I want to keep him. I know it complicates things with all of our center prospects but we can deal with that later.

Hayes is gonna be the toughest decision all year. He’s looked great and I really like him but the thing I’m torn on is will he ever provide the offense to justify the $$ he’s gonna get and he’s gonna get paid.

I like him and zib but not sure they are good enough to be the 1-2 on a true contender

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Underrated storyline of the last couple weeks thus far is them burning Lias’ slide for 6 minutes a game on the fourth line, putting up horrendous underlying numbers

 

[Machinehead]

And that's the point I was making lol.

You need franchise players period. Doesn't need to be a center. I'll take a franchise winger.

It kinda has to be a center until proven otherwise.

The last team to win a Cup with their best player at wing was Tampa in 2004, and Richards and Lecavalier were top 10 centers at the time.

I don't think we're winning the Cup with Zibanejad, Chytil, or Howden as the best center on the team.

I'm saying he doesn't have to be generational, but this team needs a 1C.

 

[Leetch3]

Underrated storyline of the last couple weeks thus far is them burning Lias’ slide for 6 minutes a game on the fourth line, putting up horrendous underlying numbers

His contract sliding was never a thing outside of this board. He will play plenty in more than 10 games after the sell off. It was never gonna slide

 

[Machinehead]

His contract sliding was never a thing outside of this board. He will play plenty in more than 10 games after the sell off. It was never gonna slide

We could have crossed that bridge when we came to it.

There's no reason for him to be in NHL right now. He sucks here, to put it bluntly.

 

[darko]

It kinda has to be a center until proven otherwise.

The last team to win a Cup with their best player at wing was Tampa in 2004, and Richards and Lecavalier were top 10 centers at the time.

I don't think we're winning the Cup with Zibanejad, Chytil, or Howden as the best center on the team.

I'm saying he doesn't have to be generational, but this team needs a 1C.

No reason Chytil can't be better than Ziba and Howden to be just as good.

 

[Ghost of jas]

This is why the talk of trading Hayes scares me. Not because of Hayes -- they could trade him or not, and I don't think either outcome will change Rangers history.

It's because they seem to think they have a glut of centers. They don't.

They have one top 6 center here long-term. One. That's Mika Zibanejad.

Other than that they have one kid who's played 20 good games as a 3C, another who's played 20 good games at wrong, and another who hasn't played any good games in the NHL.

You can move centers to wing. You can't move wings to center.

Signing Hayes to a long term scares me more. This team isn’t contending, and they need to continue to add more assets. I’ve said this elsewhere, but there’s no guarantee some of the young players that are here right now end up being a part of the core that contends for the Cup. Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov and Del Zotto were all moved for pieces that were a part of the runs in 2014 and 2015. It’s very conceivable that Andersson, Skjei and/or Buchnevich get moved for future ‘final’ pieces. Management’s job is to identify and secure as much talent as they can, and build the core from that talent and use the excess to complement it for runs at the Cup.

 

[Machinehead]

No reason Chytil can't be better than Ziba and Howden to be just as good.

I'd love for Chytil to become a Cup-caliber 1C.

I'm not sure I see it.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Hayes is gonna be the toughest decision all year. He’s looked great and I really like him but the thing I’m torn on is will he ever provide the offense to justify the $$ he’s gonna get and he’s gonna get paid.

I like him and zib but not sure they are good enough to be the 1-2 on a true contender

In 4 years Hayes will be 30, if one of Chytil, Howden,Anderson or a center we draft between then and now isnt a better option than a 30 year old hayes we have bigger issues than just Hayes leaving. Hes good but at 30 he will be heading down the other side of the hill and we should be right in our prime.

 

[darko]

We could have crossed that bridge when we came to it.

There's no reason for him to be in NHL right now. He sucks here, to put it bluntly.

He needs more minutes.

 

[Machinehead]

Signing Hayes to a long term scares me more. This team isn’t contending, and they need to continue to add more assets. I’ve this elsewhere, but there’s no guarantee some of the young players that are here right now end up being a part of the core that contends for the Cup. Dubinsky, Callahan, Anisimov and Del Zotto were all moved for pieces that were a part of the runs in 2014 and 2015. It’s very conceivable that Andersson, Skjei and/or Buchnevich get moved for future ‘final’ pieces. Management’s job is to identify and secure as much talent as they can, and build the core from that talent and use the excess to complement it for runs at the Cup.

I agree with this.

It's just that if they trade Hayes I want to be because they need more assets, like you said.

I don't want it to be because they feel they already have too many assets.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

The number one thing we need to stop doing is burning high picks on goaltenders.

We have Georgiev and Shestyorkin. Hank isn't slowing down just yet. We need a goaltender like Staal needs to play more. We took Halverson when Brayden Point was on the board.

Good knows who was still on the board this past draft that’ll end up good

 

[Shesterkybomb]

With regards to everyone wanting a franchise player, it's still unknown if Chytil who is very very young, Kravtsov, or even Anderson or Howden might be that player. It's hard to see it in any of them now but they are kids with kids bodies. Maybe none of them are but it's too early to tell.

 

[Machinehead]

He needs more minutes.

He really doesn't. He's been awful in his 6 minutes. It's not really comparable to Chytil who was dominating his 6 minutes with garbage linemates.

He needs more minutes in the AHL where he can continue developing.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'd love for Chytil to become a Cup-caliber 1C.

I'm not sure I see it.

I don’t see him as a center. The more I watch him, the more I’m convinced that he’s more likely to be an elite player on the wing. If Dach or Cozens truly are potential high end centers, then you take one of them, and run Dach/Cozens, Zibanejad and Howden down the middle.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

With regards to everyone wanting a franchise player, it's still unknown if Chytil who is very very young, Kravtsov, or even Anderson or Howden might be that player. It's hard to see it in any of them now but they are kids with kids bodies. Maybe none of them are but it's too early to tell.

Chytil is as much a center as Kravtsov is, FYI. Both are natural wingers but have played center occasionally.

 

[The S5]

What's wrong with Lias pick? I'm sure Mittelstadt is tearing the league apart right now.

The Rangers were, probably, the only team having Lias rated that high. They drafted him way out of position. Maybe they thought they were outsmarting everyone, but watching the kid play, I can't see what it was that made them think he was worthy of drafting with their first pick.
On the other hand, CM was always regarded as a top 10 talent. His skating and skill are evident, even at this young age. Maybe Lias will prove me wrong, but I haven't seen anything in his game that would lead me to believe he is anything more than a 3/4 C. That's not good enough for 7th overall.

 

[Machinehead]

Even if Chytil does become a top line center, let's get a f***ing nother one lol

Crosby/Malkin, Backstrom/Kuznetsov, Stamkos/Point, Lecavalier/Richards. There's no such thing as too many. And this is a center draft. They can be wingers later.

 

[darko]

The Rangers were, probably, the only team having Lias rated that high. They drafted him way out of position. Maybe they thought they were outsmarting everyone, but watching the kid play, I can't see what it was that made them think he was worthy of drafting with their first pick.
On the other hand, CM was always regarded as a top 10 talent. His skating and skill are evident, even at this young age. Maybe Lias will prove me wrong, but I haven't seen anything in his game that would lead me to believe he is anything more than a 3/4 C. That's not good enough for 7th overall.

Lias was a riser. Seen him ranked as high as 9 by some heading into the draft.

 

[Machinehead]

Lias was a riser. Seen him ranked as high as 9 by some heading into the draft.

Was CM ever ranked as low as 9?

 

[mike14]

I'm certainly glad we are back to rehashing old draft rankings in the PGTs.....