Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[The Abusement Park]

Honestly defensive upgrade should be the lowest priority. Between JMFJ, Malinski, and Jones if you can't get passable 6th dman or of one then you're screwed anyway. We really can't afford to allocate any more money on defense. We are already spending too much there.

The resources we do have should be used finding something remotely playable as a 2C and a backup goalie. If you've addressed both those and you still have some money resources to spare then you can look for an upgrade to JMFJ.

I mean it shouldn’t come at the expense of a C, but a depth DMan almost 100% should be added at tbe deadline.

 

[Ararana]

Dallas - LTIR with Seguin
LA - LTIR with Arvidsson and now potentially Kempe
Vegas - LTIR with Stone

cMac - asleep at the wheel

 

[henchman21]

Everyone is just catching up to the Avs.

 

[Grackle Party]

Dallas - LTIR with Seguin
LA - LTIR with Arvidsson and now potentially Kempe
Vegas - LTIR with Stone

cMac - asleep at the wheel

You want cmac to injure some guys?

 

[Ararana]

You want cmac to injure some guys?

Let's start with RyJo

 

[chet1926]

Dallas - LTIR with Seguin
LA - LTIR with Arvidsson and now potentially Kempe
Vegas - LTIR with Stone

cMac - asleep at the wheel

In fairness LTIR with Landy already exists, so short of purposely injuring a player not sure what you want CMac to do in this situation.

What is frustrating is the LTIR loophole being very clearly abused with no repercussions. I can almost guarantee you that the above 3 teams players aren't that hurt that they should not miss the remainder of the regular season.

The rule needs to be rewritten to avoid this exact situation. The only team using LTIR appropriately is the Avs, we have a player who will miss the entire season, and maybe the playoffs as well.

My proposal would be simple to gain the full 100% salary of the missing player they would have be on LTIR for the full season. Then you break the season into quarters, not games played hard dates on the calendar. If player goes on LTIR in quarter 1 you get 75% of their cap hit, quarter 2 50%, quarter 3 25%, post deadline you get the ability to bring a minor league player up.

This drives the incentive down. So 8M player goes on LTIR in quarter 2 you get 4M cap relief. If you pull what the above teams teams are trying you only get 25% relief. Which probably isn't worth trying to fake it. Thus the real intended purpose of LTIR is now back which is give relief to teams that truly have long term injury situations.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Cozens so far had one season that he had 68 points. it does not seem he is coming close to that this season. So the judgment is still out there, whether last season was just some outlier, or he can in fact perform to that level regularly. Thus, the statement, he could be “easily” be 65-70 points at Avs is based on nothing just wishful thinking. It could as “easily” turn out he is more of 45 points guy on career average, and then congrats, you squandered perennial PPG player and top 10 winger in the world over the last 3-5 years to get that. Only because he has apparently a down season, when compred to recent years (while still somhow being 9th in entire league, when it comes to production).

So, if you need 2C, first and foremost you lose RyJo to unlock the 4 millions. You mentioned Landy, we have no clue, even if he returns, that he will ever be able to play at the same level, in other words, be PPG-ish player he used to be. So, if needed, you lose him as well. Or, you lose one of the Manson, Girard or maybe Byram. But Mikko shall be one of the last names on the roster to go, unless its really a no go with a new contract (which we dont know at this point). Bottom line, nobody in their right mind trades away their guaranteed star player for a couple of middle-six players with potential, unless they have to.

The package that was discussed between both teams' fans was Mikko for Cozens, Ostlund and their 2024 1st (currently 8th overall).

I have no doubt in my mind that Cozens would be 65-70 pts 2C on the Avs. This is just a down year. You use that down year to get better pieces in the deal like their 1st and Ostlund. Cozens is a very good fit for Bednar's system. Mitts would be also if you get him istead of Cozens.

You can draft a very good player at 8th overall. Then you can trade our own 1st + Ostlund/Ritchie/Guly/Behrens to get a very good top-6 W or whatever hole we need to fill. Trading Mikko opens up a lot of possibilities. The aim with doing a trade like that is to better construct the team. With Mikko at 13M we will be a one-line team because it will be very hard to have proper depth. One major injury to Mack or Mikko and that team will probably be out of the playoffs. With all top players healthy (and that is wishful thinking) that team could still be a contender but I have no doubt in my mind that they wouldn't be a strong one.

Obviously the goal here is to get rid of Ryjo's contract and the sooner the better.

I barely mentioned Landy. I am not counting on him for next season yet. We need to see how he does when he comes back first.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Dallas - LTIR with Seguin
LA - LTIR with Arvidsson and now potentially Kempe
Vegas - LTIR with Stone

cMac - asleep at the wheel

Funny how that happens a week or two before the trade deadline.

 

[henchman21]

Let's start with RyJo

In fairness LTIR with Landy already exists, so short of purposely injuring a player not sure what you want CMac to do in this situation.

What is frustrating is the LTIR loophole being very clearly abused with no repercussions. I can almost guarantee you that the above 3 teams players aren't that hurt that they should not miss the remainder of the regular season.

The rule needs to be rewritten to avoid this exact situation. The only team using LTIR appropriately is the Avs, we have a player who will miss the entire season, and maybe the playoffs as well.

My proposal would be simple to gain the full 100% salary of the missing player they would have be on LTIR for the full season. Then you break the season into quarters, not games played hard dates on the calendar. If player goes on LTIR in quarter 1 you get 75% of their cap hit, quarter 2 50%, quarter 3 25%, post deadline you get the ability to bring a minor league player up.

This drives the incentive down. So 8M player goes on LTIR in quarter 2 you get 4M cap relief. If you pull what the above teams teams are trying you only get 25% relief. Which probably isn't worth trying to fake it. Thus the real intended purpose of LTIR is now back which is give relief to teams that truly have long term injury situations.

Ehhh.... devil is in the details there. Landy's surgery and the statement around there was clearly timed. Just like Kucherov's surgery was timed. And Stone's surgery was timed. All the teams are playing this game... and only one team has ever voted to change it. There is zero wherewithal for the league to mess with this.

 

[LurkerMcgee]

I think Mikko will land on 12.25-12.5 with us or 14ish with somebody else. Can see it remaining a hair under the MacK salary of 12.6.

It's Makar who will blow it all out of the water in 4 years, but we cross the road when it comes.

That’ll likely be Calgary’s cap problem. Not Colorados

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

"Ryan Graves — It’s quite unlikely there are any takers, given his contract and his disappointing performance. But if you’re the Penguins, maybe you take less if the other team is willing to take on Graves’ contract."

Ohh, what??

He looks awful

 

[the_fan]

Dallas - LTIR with Seguin
LA - LTIR with Arvidsson and now potentially Kempe
Vegas - LTIR with Stone

cMac - asleep at the wheel

Those players did get hurt though. I know it’s convenient to just keep them on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that cap space, but there is an injury. Who can CMac put on LTIR? We do have Landy there already which is a real usage of LTIR and not fake. We also have Frankie on LTIR

 

[Avs9296]

Ehhh.... devil is in the details there. Landy's surgery and the statement around there was clearly timed. Just like Kucherov's surgery was timed. And Stone's surgery was timed. All the teams are playing this game... and only one team has ever voted to change it. There is zero wherewithal for the league to mess with this.

Landy probably won't even make it for round 1 and he's been gone for 2 years and we somehow "timed" his surgery to circumvent the LTIR cap relief?

Ok.

 

[henchman21]

Landy probably won't even make it for round 1 and he's been gone for 2 years and we somehow "timed" his surgery to circumvent the LTIR cap relief?

Ok.

What are you basing the won't even make it for round 1 on? The Avs have been very deliberate in their messaging on this.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

In fairness LTIR with Landy already exists, so short of purposely injuring a player not sure what you want CMac to do in this situation.

What is frustrating is the LTIR loophole being very clearly abused with no repercussions. I can almost guarantee you that the above 3 teams players aren't that hurt that they should not miss the remainder of the regular season.

The rule needs to be rewritten to avoid this exact situation. The only team using LTIR appropriately is the Avs, we have a player who will miss the entire season, and maybe the playoffs as well.

My proposal would be simple to gain the full 100% salary of the missing player they would have be on LTIR for the full season. Then you break the season into quarters, not games played hard dates on the calendar. If player goes on LTIR in quarter 1 you get 75% of their cap hit, quarter 2 50%, quarter 3 25%, post deadline you get the ability to bring a minor league player up.

This drives the incentive down. So 8M player goes on LTIR in quarter 2 you get 4M cap relief. If you pull what the above teams teams are trying you only get 25% relief. Which probably isn't worth trying to fake it. Thus the real intended purpose of LTIR is now back which is give relief to teams that truly have long term injury situations.

I agree. Your idea is better than the current system for sure.

Way too easy to fake an injury. So much BS.

 

[RockLobster]

He looks awful

Disagree...he's still got that majestic flow

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Those players did get hurt though. I know it’s convenient to just keep them on LTIR until the playoffs so they can use that cap space, but there is an injury. Who can CMac put on LTIR? We do have Landy there already which is a real usage of LTIR and not fake. We also have Frankie on LTIR

RyJo injured our cap situation so LTIR him.

Disagree...he's still got that majestic flow

Oh yeah meant on ice haha btw that fake smile is hilarious

 

[Hasbro]

Dubas always seemed to me like the guy that thought he already knew everything and doesn’t really listen to others. He and the Leafs are a big reason for the massively expanding contracts, they caved to every demand their “Core 4” made.

Stat Whackers projected onto Dubas and Chayka. It went to their heads quite a bit.

 

[Chiarelli]

we should have just drafted Cozens. I highly doubt our front office admits their mistake and makes a trade for Cozens or Zegras unfortunately.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[Hasbro]

we should have just drafted Cozens. I highly doubt our front office admits their mistake and makes a trade for Cozens or Zegras unfortunately.

Pure revisionism. Was not absolutely not rated in the Top 5 prospects and if you listen to the draft the commentators are talking about Byram being a slam dunk at that pick.

Dach is injured so I guess that stops the lamentation of missing out on him.

 

[JLo217]

Disagree...he's still got that majestic flow

I bet he's got a rad stanley cup lol

 

[rt]

Hello Avs fans. A few weeks ago I started a conversation around Schmaltz for Byram and a RyJo contract dump. It was decided that while the value was ok, the issue was Schmaltz isn’t a true center. And Colorado wants a center.

I see some discussion in this thread around a lack of cap space and I see on CapFriendly that the Avs lack some draft capital to make trades.

This got me thinking, and I may be WAAAY off on this, so feel free to mock me mercilessly if need be.

Nick Bjugstad is a giant. He’s a true center. He’s been Arizona’s best penalty killer. He’s been quite productive on a very bad team. And he’s a great leader and character player. He’s signed to a 2yr 2.1aav deal with one season remaining.

Matt Dumba is a tough as nails veteran right shot D. Who was a menace in the playoffs for Minnesota. He’s on an expiring 3.9mil deal.

If Arizona was willing to retain 50% of both contracts, and throw in a 2nd rounder, and eat the RyJo dump - does that get us close to Bo Byram?

It would open up a bunch of cap space and provide the Avs with another highly liquid asset in the form of a 2nd rounder.

Yotes have got to add defensive help. The blueline just doesn’t have enough nhl caliber players on it.

 

[Ararana]

Pack yo' bags, wannabe 2C! It's time to lose in the first round!

 

[the_fan]

RyJo injured our cap situation so LTIR him.



Oh yeah meant on ice haha btw that fake smile is hilarious

Or have Dermy hard check RyJo in practice