Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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The Abusement Park

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Pure revisionism. Was not absolutely not rated in the Top 5 prospects and if you listen to the draft the commentators are talking about Byram being a slam dunk at that pick.

Dach is injured so I guess that stops the lamentation of missing out on him.
Huh? That’s incredibly inaccurate. Plenty of people had Cozens as a fringe top 5 guy.
 

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Pure revisionism. Was not absolutely not rated in the Top 5 prospects and if you listen to the draft the commentators are talking about Byram being a slam dunk at that pick.

Dach is injured so I guess that stops the lamentation of missing out on him.
Dach was gone by our pick. If you look at the draft thread for 2019 I wanted to take Cozens at 4. His skating/defensive ability/physicality would have been a perfect fit for this team at 2C.
 

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Hello Avs fans. A few weeks ago I started a conversation around Schmaltz for Byram and a RyJo contract dump. It was decided that while the value was ok, the issue was Schmaltz isn’t a true center. And Colorado wants a center.

I see some discussion in this thread around a lack of cap space and I see on CapFriendly that the Avs lack some draft capital to make trades.

This got me thinking, and I may be WAAAY off on this, so feel free to mock me mercilessly if need be.

Nick Bjugstad is a giant. He’s a true center. He’s been Arizona’s best penalty killer. He’s been quite productive on a very bad team. And he’s a great leader and character player. He’s signed to a 2yr 2.1aav deal with one season remaining.

Matt Dumba is a tough as nails veteran right shot D. Who was a menace in the playoffs for Minnesota. He’s on an expiring 3.9mil deal.

If Arizona was willing to retain 50% of both contracts, and throw in a 2nd rounder, and eat the RyJo dump - does that get us close to Bo Byram?

It would open up a bunch of cap space and provide the Avs with another highly liquid asset in the form of a 2nd rounder.

Yotes have got to add defensive help. The blueline just doesn’t have enough nhl caliber players on it.
It does not. I don’t really think Arizona has anything that makes sense to move Byram for.
 
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Hello Avs fans. A few weeks ago I started a conversation around Schmaltz for Byram and a RyJo contract dump. It was decided that while the value was ok, the issue was Schmaltz isn’t a true center. And Colorado wants a center.

I see some discussion in this thread around a lack of cap space and I see on CapFriendly that the Avs lack some draft capital to make trades.

This got me thinking, and I may be WAAAY off on this, so feel free to mock me mercilessly if need be.

Nick Bjugstad is a giant. He’s a true center. He’s been Arizona’s best penalty killer. He’s been quite productive on a very bad team. And he’s a great leader and character player. He’s signed to a 2yr 2.1aav deal with one season remaining.

Matt Dumba is a tough as nails veteran right shot D. Who was a menace in the playoffs for Minnesota. He’s on an expiring 3.9mil deal.

If Arizona was willing to retain 50% of both contracts, and throw in a 2nd rounder, and eat the RyJo dump - does that get us close to Bo Byram?

It would open up a bunch of cap space and provide the Avs with another highly liquid asset in the form of a 2nd rounder.

Yotes have got to add defensive help. The blueline just doesn’t have enough nhl caliber players on it.
So I believe I've seen you around before, and I'll hope I can jump in before anyone else does and goes all unprofessional:

No, this should not get close to Byram. While he has underperformed this year, relative to his talents and expectations, he should only be used to get a similarly-aged Center who can slot right in to the 2C role.

He should not be used to acquire aged vets, a 2nd round pick, and for eating the remainder of RyJo's contract.
 

UncleRisto

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When they strike out on real targets and land a half measure (Henrique/Wennberg), they could maybe send a pick for Bjugstad. Two half measures = 1 measure.
 

rt

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Byram gets us Hayton+
If AZ keeps Bjugstad and ends up drafting Celebrini or Lindstrom, then I could see them looking at that.

Hayton is very underrated. I believe the offense will come. I might be wrong. I often am. :)

So I believe I've seen you around before, and I'll hope I can jump in before anyone else does and goes all unprofessional:

No, this should not get close to Byram. While he has underperformed this year, relative to his talents and expectations, he should only be used to get a similarly-aged Center who can slot right in to the 2C role.

He should not be used to acquire aged vets, a 2nd round pick, and for eating the remainder of RyJo's contract.
Fair. I will say that 2nd is pretty good. ;) 37th right now.
 
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Landy probably won't even make it for round 1 and he's been gone for 2 years and we somehow "timed" his surgery to circumvent the LTIR cap relief?

Ok.
He very clearly times his most recent surgery for the intent to return in time for this year's playoffs.


I really don't get why people get so offended that the Avs are playing the LTIR game just as aggressively as the other contenders in the league. It isn't against the rules, it isn't illegal. And it's a great sign that the Avs ownership aren't concerned right now with some sort of internal salary cap. They're allowing out management to spend money on the team.

And yet some of you get offended at the mere thought the Avs are playing ball with everyone else. Very weird.


On another note,

Bjugstad + Dumba + 2nd for Byram...

Did I just see that? What the hell.
 

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ChatGPT wrote us a story for the 607th day of no 2C...



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Title: Echoes of Departure
In the heart of Denver, where the cheers of victory once reverberated through the halls of the Pepsi Center, now lingered a haunting silence. The Colorado Avalanche, once a team brimming with promise, now found themselves adrift in a sea of uncertainty. The departure of Nazem Kadri, a linchpin in their lineup, had left a void that seemed impossible to fill. For 607 days, the Avalanche and their devoted fans grappled with the bitter truth—they hadn't found a suitable replacement.

Kadri, a maestro on the ice, had woven dreams of triumph for the Avalanche faithful. His skillful play and unyielding determination had propelled the team to new heights, igniting a fervor among fans that burned bright with hope. But like a fleeting shadow, Kadri slipped away, lost to the allure of free agency.

The news struck the Avalanche like a sudden avalanche, burying their aspirations beneath a mountain of disappointment. No longer could they rely on Kadri's steady presence to anchor their second line. No longer could they draw upon his experience and talent to lead them through the rigors of the season.

In the wake of Kadri's departure, the Avalanche embarked on a desperate search for a replacement. Player after player was tested, each one scrutinized for even the slightest glimmer of promise. But as the days turned into weeks, and the weeks into months, it became painfully clear—the void left by Kadri was too vast to be filled by just any player.

The second line, once a source of strength for the Avalanche, now faltered under the weight of uncertainty. The chemistry that had once flowed effortlessly between Kadri and his linemates was now lost, replaced by a sense of unease that hung heavy in the air.

As the seasons changed, so did the faces on the ice. New talents emerged, but none could mend the broken hearts of Avalanche fans. The 607 days stretched on, each one a painful reminder of what was lost. The echoes of Kadri's departure lingered in the rafters of the arena, a melancholy symphony that played on repeat.

For the Colorado Avalanche and their devoted supporters, the search for a second-line center had become more than a quest for victory—it was a quest for redemption, a journey back to the glory that once was, and perhaps, one day, would be again. But until then, they were left to grapple with the bitter truth—their beloved Kadri was gone, lost to the winds of free agency, leaving behind nothing but echoes of departure.
 

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Hello Avs fans. A few weeks ago I started a conversation around Schmaltz for Byram and a RyJo contract dump. It was decided that while the value was ok, the issue was Schmaltz isn’t a true center. And Colorado wants a center.

I see some discussion in this thread around a lack of cap space and I see on CapFriendly that the Avs lack some draft capital to make trades.

This got me thinking, and I may be WAAAY off on this, so feel free to mock me mercilessly if need be.

Nick Bjugstad is a giant. He’s a true center. He’s been Arizona’s best penalty killer. He’s been quite productive on a very bad team. And he’s a great leader and character player. He’s signed to a 2yr 2.1aav deal with one season remaining.

Matt Dumba is a tough as nails veteran right shot D. Who was a menace in the playoffs for Minnesota. He’s on an expiring 3.9mil deal.

If Arizona was willing to retain 50% of both contracts, and throw in a 2nd rounder, and eat the RyJo dump - does that get us close to Bo Byram?

It would open up a bunch of cap space and provide the Avs with another highly liquid asset in the form of a 2nd rounder.

Yotes have got to add defensive help. The blueline just doesn’t have enough nhl caliber players on it.
Organizations don't use players like Bo Byram to dump contracts, especially if all they're getting back are 4/5 defensemen and bottom six centers.
 

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Sounds like our kinda deal.
Henrique is the guy I'm hoping for at this point. I think he'd be a good fit on our team and has that 'playoff pedigree'.

I could be wrong, but it seems to becoming more clear that we can't expect any long-term 2C fix prior to the deadline. I'm ok with a 'half-measure' like Henrique because it keeps our D intact and won't cost nearly as much as a guy like Nelson would, who still doesn't solidify the position long term. Just looking at the potential available options, only Mittlestadt is a likely long-term solution, and I'd rather aim higher in the offseason if we are dealing with Buffalo (Thompson/Cozens)

With our wingers (when healthy) I think Henrique is 'good enough' for us to get by. No matter what it's going to be a dogfight and I think the difference between Nelson and Henrique is negligible on our team. Plus, with us attracting similar vets in Cogs and Parise, I could see Henrique potentially signing an extension here to add depth as a C/LW if we wanted him back.

A caveat to all this too is that I think it's going to be hard/unrealistic to think that we can dump RyJo by the deadline too. Not only that the org probably won't pay the price but just that there isn't anyone realistic that we are targeting that would necessitate such a move. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we could fit in Henrique @50% without such cap gymnastics. I think the org. would prefer Johansen as 4C rather than pay to dump him for no reason.
 
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My main concern with the team is offensive and goaltending depth. Ideally we're getting a 2C and a 1B. I trust the D Depth more than most probably. Even if Byram was moved.

That said if we're gonna do the limit get the 1B and at least 2 top 6 Center/Winger types. Don't think it gets them a cup, but gets them closer than riding it out.
 

RockLobster

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If AZ keeps Bjugstad and ends up drafting Celebrini or Lindstrom, then I could see them looking at that.

Hayton is very underrated. I believe the offense will come. I might be wrong. I often am. :)


Fair. I will say that 2nd is pretty good. ;) 37th right now.
37th overall would be considered the "prime piece" coming from AZ in your proposal, and that is nowhere near enough for Colorado to part with Byram.
 

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37th overall would be considered the "prime piece" coming from AZ in your proposal, and that is nowhere near enough for Colorado to part with Byram.
I think RyJo’s negative value may be more significant than 37th overall. Or at least roughly equivalent.

Are you sure it wasn't four pesos?
3 quarters and maybe I snuck one peso in there
 
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Hello Avs fans. A few weeks ago I started a conversation around Schmaltz for Byram and a RyJo contract dump. It was decided that while the value was ok, the issue was Schmaltz isn’t a true center. And Colorado wants a center.

I see some discussion in this thread around a lack of cap space and I see on CapFriendly that the Avs lack some draft capital to make trades.

This got me thinking, and I may be WAAAY off on this, so feel free to mock me mercilessly if need be.

Nick Bjugstad is a giant. He’s a true center. He’s been Arizona’s best penalty killer. He’s been quite productive on a very bad team. And he’s a great leader and character player. He’s signed to a 2yr 2.1aav deal with one season remaining.

Matt Dumba is a tough as nails veteran right shot D. Who was a menace in the playoffs for Minnesota. He’s on an expiring 3.9mil deal.

If Arizona was willing to retain 50% of both contracts, and throw in a 2nd rounder, and eat the RyJo dump - does that get us close to Bo Byram?

It would open up a bunch of cap space and provide the Avs with another highly liquid asset in the form of a 2nd rounder.

Yotes have got to add defensive help. The blueline just doesn’t have enough nhl caliber players on it.

No, the Avs really need to avoid losing value on players like Byram or Ritchie by having Johansen attached to them. Johansen's cost is a 2nd at this point since there is under 6 left.

Also, Byram's play has been trending upward in recent weeks.
 

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I think RyJo’s negative value may be more significant than 37th overall. Or at least roughly equivalent.


3 quarters and maybe I snuck one peso in there
If the Avs wanted to dump RyJo's contract, they could probably follow what the Islanders did with Josh Bailey last season. The Blackhawks bought out the last year of his deal and it costs them :

$2.666M cap hit - 2023-24
$1.166M cap hit - 2024-25

to buy out the last year of Bailey's $5M contract. The NYI paid a 2nd round pick to get rid of him.

With RyJo, an argument could be made that if he was bought out, it could potentially cost a bit less since the cap hit penalty is less (since Nashville is eating half of it) :

$1.333M cap hit - 2024-25
$1.333M cap hit - 2025-26

Would be the penalty if bought out by the acquiring team.
 

John Mandalorian

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People are massively overrating some production.

Byrams xGF% this season until Jan 31 49.51%... Feb 1 til now 42.73%. Byram was ~20% xGF last night, 44 vs Toronto, 33 vs Van, 18 vs Florida. He's moved his feet, and flashed a few times.. but he's not playing all that well still.

People? That again?
 
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