GoNordiquesGo
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Wow, been a while...
Last I remember you were arguing hard as rock that Kakko was way better than Hughes
That didn't age well lol
...sorry, I know I'm trolling...
Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline
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Last I remember you were arguing hard as rock that Kakko was way better than Hughes
That didn't age well lol
...sorry, I know I'm trolling...
BleedWell
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You just wait when we sign Kakko next summer and he becomes Val 2.0 without the habit!Wow, been a while...
Last I remember you were arguing hard as rock that Kakko was way better than Hughes
That didn't age well lol
...sorry, I know I'm trolling...
Bender
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That stooge can't MENTOR for shit
Provorov talks picking up steam? — The Fourth Period
Ivan Provorov has generated interest and could be dealt by the trade deadline.www.thefourthperiod.com
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Let him walk? No GM that wants to keep their job let's a top 10 forward walk. He'll be traded before they let him walk. Just look at Necas on the market, Carolina would probably love to land Rants (contract costs aside) and Avs would love Necas centering the 2nd line.
There's plenty of trades to be had even up to the deadline before his contract ends.
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I agree.
I agree.
Trading Rantanen before the summer of 2025 signals we have given up on competing. The team that gets the best player wins the trade 90% of the time. Trading him away before trying to win a Cup in the spring of 2025 waves the white flag.
Management may feel we have a better chance of winning in 2025 with Rants on the roster than we do without Rants on the roster 2026 and beyond.
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BleedWell
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Exactly this.
No GM wants to one of the top players in the league just leave but sometimes it just happens.
LOFIN
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One would imagine, that after watching what happened with Tavares and the Islanders, Panarin and CBJ, and Gaudreau and Calgary, no GM in the league wants to be in that position again. Especially when you do have leverage. Rantanen doesn't have a NMC, his 9 team NTC is actually quite manageable I would imagine. And secondly, I don't think the Avs are THAT desperate to keep him if his contract demands are outrageous. The front office should be able to use this as leverage against Rantanen.
Yes and I don't think.people.realise how much he has declined.
Perratrooper
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I went back to the Sabres fans on the main board and they said they’d be willing to do either Thompson+one of Östlund or their 2024 first or Cozens+Östlund+2024 first+ additional valuable asset.
To me I’d pull the trigger on Thompson, I think he’d light it up behind MacKinnon and it would give us a pretty dynamic 1-2 punch down the middle while saving in the range of $4-5m long term and $2m this season.
we could run lines of:
Lehkonen-MacKinnon-Drouin
Nichuskin-Thompson-Parise
Wood-Colton-LOC
Cogliano-Wagner-Kovalenko
To me I’d pull the trigger on Thompson, I think he’d light it up behind MacKinnon and it would give us a pretty dynamic 1-2 punch down the middle while saving in the range of $4-5m long term and $2m this season.
we could run lines of:
Lehkonen-MacKinnon-Drouin
Nichuskin-Thompson-Parise
Wood-Colton-LOC
Cogliano-Wagner-Kovalenko
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If Mikko walks for free in 2025 I'll be very upset even if we win a Cup that year. Winning a Cup is very, very hard. A lot of things need to go right. Not getting any assets back for him just to have a 10-15% chance (if that) of winning a Cup is very bad asset management.
The best case scenario IMO is we win this year and it makes it a lot easier for the Avs to make the decision of trading him this summer. We don't win and they will think they need to keep him and sign him to keep having a chance at the Cup but then we become Tampa, PIT, etc. during his next contract.
The best case scenario IMO is we win this year and it makes it a lot easier for the Avs to make the decision of trading him this summer. We don't win and they will think they need to keep him and sign him to keep having a chance at the Cup but then we become Tampa, PIT, etc. during his next contract.
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If the Avs do this trade before the TDL they need to go get another top-6 W or you better pray Landy comes back for the 1st round and play very well in the playoffs because that lineup is not good enough to win it all.
henchman21
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I could see Dallas grabbing both Seeler and Walker. Would help them tremendously.
Perratrooper
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The thing is we’d have an extra asset and some more cap space to possibly make that work. A Sabres fan said they’d consider a small add to the first if were that instead of Ostlund. If that additional asset helps us move out RyJo we could easily move our 2024 first + Behrens for a decent top 6 winger.
SoundwaveIsCharisma
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We should just re-start the rebuild now, catch everyone off guard and maximize value
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I just don't see the Avs trading Mikko before the TDL and they shouldn't.. If they do trade him it will be this summer.
Bender
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For Rantanen, I think it's pretty simple. You don't pay that kind of money $12M+ for a player who isn't considered a franchise player... no one else is. You could argue that the Leafs did it with Marner - look where it got them. Now at some point, as the cap goes up - there will certainly be some teams that do it and pay high-end, high-talent complimentary players that kind of money but it doesn't mean it's a wise thing to do.
When he's on and playing his best and putting forth his best effort, he certainly looks like a franchise player. That happens what 10% of the time, if that? Where as with true franchise players, it's usually the opposite where they look the part 90% of the time or more.
I've seen a lot of posts about Rantanen being 'lazy' or 'just not moving his feet' and we've watched him for EIGHT years, we know all about 'the regular Mikko Rantanen' and his strengths & shortcomings but for me, anyways - this season is different. The last 3 games or so, I think he's been back to being that guy at least effort-wise and it doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes or make some bad plays but it means at least it looks like he's trying out there. There's a certain expected standard with a guy like Rantanen - where we fans know he's not perfect and we know he's going to be frustrating at times but I have to say he's fell below that standard quite a bit so far this season.
Deciding to coast and reach out with your stick as far as it can go - instead of actually using your legs to backcheck is a great example of what everyone is talking about (except for a few who either don't watch the games or are actually related to #96).
So the Avs are going to be in a position this summer to re-sign Rantanen or let him play out the last year of his contract and risk getting nothing for him or trade him.
Personally, if it was me I would not be able to go over $11M per but even then - signing him to that deal with max term would scare the crap out of me after what we've seen from him this year.
I do think that trading him is probably the best way to go as long as you get the right deal. I can't quite see CMakic doing it - as my perception is that they are 'too nice' and 'too grateful' for the SC win but making tough decisions is what the job is all about. You can't let him walk and get nothing and you probably don't want to pay him more than what Nylander just signed for and certainly not what MacKinnon is making.
When he's on and playing his best and putting forth his best effort, he certainly looks like a franchise player. That happens what 10% of the time, if that? Where as with true franchise players, it's usually the opposite where they look the part 90% of the time or more.
I've seen a lot of posts about Rantanen being 'lazy' or 'just not moving his feet' and we've watched him for EIGHT years, we know all about 'the regular Mikko Rantanen' and his strengths & shortcomings but for me, anyways - this season is different. The last 3 games or so, I think he's been back to being that guy at least effort-wise and it doesn't mean he doesn't make mistakes or make some bad plays but it means at least it looks like he's trying out there. There's a certain expected standard with a guy like Rantanen - where we fans know he's not perfect and we know he's going to be frustrating at times but I have to say he's fell below that standard quite a bit so far this season.
Deciding to coast and reach out with your stick as far as it can go - instead of actually using your legs to backcheck is a great example of what everyone is talking about (except for a few who either don't watch the games or are actually related to #96).
So the Avs are going to be in a position this summer to re-sign Rantanen or let him play out the last year of his contract and risk getting nothing for him or trade him.
Personally, if it was me I would not be able to go over $11M per but even then - signing him to that deal with max term would scare the crap out of me after what we've seen from him this year.
I do think that trading him is probably the best way to go as long as you get the right deal. I can't quite see CMakic doing it - as my perception is that they are 'too nice' and 'too grateful' for the SC win but making tough decisions is what the job is all about. You can't let him walk and get nothing and you probably don't want to pay him more than what Nylander just signed for and certainly not what MacKinnon is making.
Perratrooper
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Most likely the case and in general probably will never happen. However, with Buffalo’s AGM scouting games there’s always a chance of a big move before the deadline.
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