Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Ararana]

How many days, @JLo217?

 

[Murzu]

You can tell Finnish media watches and understands games more than posters on this board.

Why you didn't bother to link that article(Yle) where they blame coaches?
Was it because there were actual facts backing that up?
Doesn't fit the "Rantanen is lazy" narrative here I assume

Oh, you're still here.

Kommentti: Mikko Rantasen pelissä näkyy uupumus â valmennusjohdon järjetön peluutus voi johtaa tuhoon

There you go.

 

[The Moops]

29 points in 70 playoff games. .41 PPG. His career average is .48 PPG.

Maybe he ghosted us in the playoffs because we were without Landeskog or Nichuskin and one of them would have been on his line instead of Matt Nieto?

And 2 points in 7 games when we needed him to step up. Needing to be surrounded by Landy and Rants to get .41 PPG isn't the excuse you think it is lol

 

[BleedWell]

Oh, you're still here.

Kommentti: Mikko Rantasen pelissä näkyy uupumus â valmennusjohdon järjetön peluutus voi johtaa tuhoon

There you go.

I'm back yes.

And there's that article that everyone here should read!☝☝☝☝☝☝☝

Bednar is playing our stars to the ground and doesn't see the big picture. We are seeing it now. Makar has been hot pile of garbage lately, Mikko looks tired and even Mack is showing signs of slowing down.

 

[Murzu]

I'm back.

So lovely, welcome!

 

[missionAvs]

Ivan Prosvetov since getting sent down:

1.14 GAA
7 wins
0 losses
0 ties
0.961 SV %

There's our 2C baby!

 

[Ceremony]

Have we traded for any yet?

 

[RockLobster]

Ivan Prosvetov since getting sent down:

1.14 GAA
7 wins
0 losses
0 ties
0.961 SV %

I am not an expert on ANYTHING related to prospects, AHL, but especially goalies (I'd leave that to much smarter posters like @Gigantor The Goalie)

He was a fan of the Prosvetov move, here's what he had to say about it when we claimed him:

Really like this move from the Avs. He fits into the profile of goalies the Avs like and currently fit into their defensive play. Prosvetov has the mobility, agility, and size combination the team will love. Shows he can be patient on his edges and has decent structure. He's done well toning down his play and playing within the crease rather than being an unmitigated scrambling mess. The Yotes did a good job getting him to take a jump last year, Parkkila should be able to get him ready to be the 2G here. Potentially for awhile too.

Now, he obviously may not work out, but it's also possible that he needs/needed more playing time and getting the specific coaching w/ Jussi up here and Budaj down in Loveland.

 

[LOFIN]

He'll try and his agent will use inflation, cap rising etc. as his talking points. I can almost guarantee that the ask number will start with a 13.

To which the Avs will counter and say that MacKinnon is a center, and he still scores more. 13 mil/92 as predicted salary cap ceiling would be 14%. He's not getting that much, unless he wins the Conn Smythe.

They will meet somewhere between Pastrnak and MacKinnon, mark my words.

 

[AslanRH]

Mikko looks tired all season so far

fixed

 

[LOFIN]

Rantanen and MacKinnon are playing a full minute more than any other forward in the league. Rantanen is #1, at 23:19 TOI.

I don't think that's all of the story, not at all. But certainly a contributing factor.

 

[JLo217]

How many days, @JLo217?

606!!!

Ivan Prosvetov since getting sent down:

1.14 GAA
7 wins
0 losses
0 ties
0.961 SV %

AHL all-star

 

[henchman21]

If you want stats on Mikko's laziness... his distance traveled per 60 is in the 20s percentile wise in the league at 8.8 mi per 60. Ryan Johansen has him beat at 9.52 mi per 60. Okay... so maybe you say center vs winger. Fine... LOC 9.46. Mikko does not move his feet and does not cover much ice per shift. This is why he is noted as lazy... because he doesn't move around the ice. He's a very stationary player. Then when something happens, like he breaks his stick and has to get a new one... it is like a saturday afternoon stroll in the park.

None of that means that Mikko isn't a good player, he's a damn good player and extremely talented.... but he's a guy who gets by on purely on that talent. If he had the work ethic of MacK, Crosby... or Cogliano, Rantanen would be the second best winger in the game (behind Kucherov).

 

[BleedWell]

To which the Avs will counter and say that MacKinnon is a center, and he still scores more. 13 mil/92 as predicted salary cap ceiling would be 14%. He's not getting that much, unless he wins the Conn Smythe.

They will meet somewhere between Pastrnak and MacKinnon, mark my words.

That's not how it works and it's not even true.

When Mackinnon signed that deal he was 99 point and 41 goal player.
Mikko is 105 point and 55 goal player.

 

[henchman21]

Rantanen and MacKinnon are playing a full minute more than any other forward in the league. Rantanen is #1, at 23:19 TOI.

I don't think that's all of the story, not at all. But certainly a contributing factor.

I think that certainly contributes.

 

[Avs_19]

Rantanen and MacKinnon are playing a full minute more than any other forward in the league. Rantanen is #1, at 23:19 TOI.

I don't think that's all of the story, not at all. But certainly a contributing factor.

Difficult for me to buy into that when he has played like this since game one. He plays less than 30 secs more than Kucherov at EV. It goes up to the full minute you mention when you use overall ice time due to PP time. Sure the minutes add up but we're not exactly talking grueling mins on the PP where Rantanen often stays in one spot and isn't even asked to skate back past the blue line.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

That's not how it works and it's not even true.

When Mackinnon signed that deal he was 99 point and 41 goal player.
Mikko is 105 point and 55 goal player.

MacKinnon was also a 3 time Hart Trophy finalist. Also, Rantanen being a 105 point, 55 goal player came in one of the highest scoring seasons in recent memory.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

You can tell Finnish media watches and understands games more than posters on this board.

Why you didn't bother to link that article(Yle) where they blame coaches?
Was it because there were actual facts backing that up?
Doesn't fit the "Rantanen is lazy" narrative here I assume

Bednar is overplaying the top players because he doesn't have any other option. He has said that. He cares about winning. Sadly our GM isn't reactive enough to fix the issues on time.

But I agree, Bednar could play MacK/Rants few minutes less per game and drop few more points and we would be still on playoff pace. He is going a bit overboard.

 

[John Mandalorian]

If you want stats on Mikko's laziness... his distance traveled per 60 is in the 20s percentile wise in the league at 8.8 mi per 60. Ryan Johansen has him beat at 9.52 mi per 60. Okay... so maybe you say center vs winger. Fine... LOC 9.46. Mikko does not move his feet and does not cover much ice per shift. This is why he is noted as lazy... because he doesn't move around the ice. He's a very stationary player. Then when something happens, like he breaks his stick and has to get a new one... it is like a saturday afternoon stroll in the park.

None of that means that Mikko isn't a good player, he's a damn good player and extremely talented.... but he's a guy who gets by on purely on that talent. If he had the work ethic of MacK, Crosby... or Cogliano, Rantanen would be the second best winger in the game (behind Kucherov).

Interested in knowing Rantanen's /60 in recent years for comparison.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I am not an expert on ANYTHING related to prospects, AHL, but especially goalies (I'd leave that to much smarter posters like @Gigantor The Goalie)

He was a fan of the Prosvetov move, here's what he had to say about it when we claimed him:



Now, he obviously may not work out, but it's also possible that he needs/needed more playing time and getting the specific coaching w/ Jussi up here and Budaj down in Loveland.

Budaj works with the organisation? That's so cool. Didn't know that.

He'll try and his agent will use inflation, cap rising etc. as his talking points. I can almost guarantee that the ask number will start with a 13.

I agree the asking will start from 13mil and then lower somewhere 12 mil

Ivan Prosvetov since getting sent down:

1.14 GAA
7 wins
0 losses
0 ties
0.961 SV %

Incredible.

 

[BleedWell]

If you want stats on Mikko's laziness... his distance traveled per 60 is in the 20s percentile wise in the league at 8.8 mi per 60. Ryan Johansen has him beat at 9.52 mi per 60. Okay... so maybe you say center vs winger. Fine... LOC 9.46. Mikko does not move his feet and does not cover much ice per shift. This is why he is noted as lazy... because he doesn't move around the ice. He's a very stationary player. Then when something happens, like he breaks his stick and has to get a new one... it is like a saturday afternoon stroll in the park.

None of that means that Mikko isn't a good player, he's a damn good player and extremely talented.... but he's a guy who gets by on purely on that talent. If he had the work ethic of MacK, Crosby... or Cogliano, Rantanen would be the second best winger in the game (behind Kucherov).

What the hell? That was not the point.
Rantanen is averaging more minutes in the NHL than any other forward since 2012!
And he is no small guy.
That is absolutely crazy.
And then people are bitchin' here that he should skate more

 

[LOFIN]

That's not how it works and it's not even true.

When Mackinnon signed that deal he was 99 point and 41 goal player.
Mikko is 105 point and 55 goal player.

His last 3 seasons before signing the deal, MacKinnon was pacing for
41 goals, 110 points
34 goals, 111 points
40 goals, 111 points

For the last 3 years (including this one), Rantanen has paced
39 goals, 100 points
55 goals, 105 points
42 goals, 103 points

I'm not saying it's a drastic difference in production, but it's still a difference. And MacKinnon is a center, that commands more than a winger in this league.

He will get less than MacKinnon, at least on this team. If he wants more, he can sign elsewhere. To be honest, it's going to be hard enough to keep Mikko even if he will sign for a reasonable 12ish million.

 

[henchman21]

Interested in knowing Rantanen's /60 in recent years for comparison.

NHL changed their method prior to 22-23, so a bit of apples and oranges (everybody's numbers jump by ~2 mi per 60). But 6.60 and 8.82. Rantanen has never been above the 45th percentile since this started being tracked in every game in 2020.

What the hell? That was not the point.
Rantanen is averaging more minutes inthe NHL than any other forward since 2012!
And he is no small guy.
That is absolutely crazy.
And then people are bitchin' here that he should skate more

You wanted facts about why he's called lazy, and you got them.

 

[BleedWell]

His last 3 seasons before signing the deal, MacKinnon was pacing for
41 goals, 110 points
34 goals, 111 points
40 goals, 111 points

For the last 3 years (including this one), Rantanen has paced
39 goals, 100 points
55 goals, 105 points
42 goals, 103 points

I'm not saying it's a drastic difference in production, but it's still a difference. And MacKinnon is a center, that commands more than a winger in this league.

He will get less than MacKinnon, at least on this team. If he wants more, he can sign elsewhere. To be honest, it's going to be hard enough to keep Mikko even if he will sign for a reasonable 12ish million.

Rantanen is our only player who has played every game last and this year.

At the end of the day points that actually got scored and games that actually got played matter the most and that's one good argument for Rantanen's camp compared to many other players.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

There has already been quite a bit of discussion about how lazy Mikko was when he was getting a new stick on the PP last week. But here is another example on the Gogs goal against the Leafs. (I don't know how to embed video so you will need to click on the arrow beside Cogs' listing).

I can understand coasting so you remain in open ice for a pass but this was not the body language of a player coasting to remain in open ice. It was the body language of a guy saying "I've done my part. You do the rest."