Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[cinchronicity]

Seems like a sideway deal at best. It's gotta be a deal that moves the team forward.

My fear is the opposite: that Mikko leaves for greener pastures and the Avs get nothing for him. Mikko has not offered a home town discount on his current contract. His next - surely his last contract - is not going to see him suddenly prepared to give the Avs a break. Mikko leaving with nothing coming back but a cool breeze is surely not moving the team forward.

I'd love to have Pettersen here, but fear that his ask will be too high as well.

 

[JH21]

Youre at the cap and only have a 20 man roster. Youre literally screwed with any injury that isnt LTIR.

Well then we trade Byram too for a haul and we still have Behrens or Gulayayev ready to slot in.

We have options.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Yes we can. I've shown you examples multiple times.

Find me one trade where a team trades the superior player and comes out ahead.

You'd think you would have learnt the last time we traded a star player for multiple depth pieces. Go look at the return what we got for O'Reilly. That's what will happen if we trade Rantanen in your proposal.

But for the 10th time:

2025/26

*Girard traded for picks/prospects.
**Sign a center for 4-5 million per year.

Lehkonen (4.5)- Mackinnon (12.6) - Rantanen (12.5)
Landeskog (7) - 2C (5) - Nichushkin (6.125)
Wood (2.5) - Colton (4)- O'Connor (3)
Vet (775k) - Vet (775k) -Kovalenko (895k)

$59,670,000

Toews (7.25) - Makar (9)
Byram (5.5) - Manson (4.5)
Vet (775k) - Malinski (850k)

$27,875,000

Goalie #1 (3.5)
Goalie #2 (875k)

$4,375,000

Total - $91,920,000
Projected cap - $92,000,000

Trade Rantanen and we will have a better team. This is way too thin.

 

[JH21]

If the Avs could trade their own first plus Östlund for Buchnevich would you consider Cozens, Buch and moving up in the first enough?

No

 

[The Abusement Park]

Yes we can. I've shown you examples multiple times.

Find me one trade where a team trades the superior player and comes out ahead.

You'd think you would have learnt the last time we traded a star player for multiple depth pieces. Go look at the return what we got for O'Reilly. That's what will happen if we trade Rantanen in your proposal.

But for the 10th time:

2025/26

*Girard traded for picks/prospects.
**Sign a center for 4-5 million per year.

Lehkonen (4.5)- Mackinnon (12.6) - Rantanen (12.5)
Landeskog (7) - 2C (5) - Nichushkin (6.125)
Wood (2.5) - Colton (4)- O'Connor (3)
Vet (775k) - Vet (775k) -Kovalenko (895k)

$59,670,000

Toews (7.25) - Makar (9)
Byram (5.5) - Manson (4.5)
Vet (775k) - Malinski (850k)

$27,875,000

Goalie #1 (3.5)
Goalie #2 (875k)

$4,375,000

Total - $91,920,000
Projected cap - $92,000,000

What miraculous 5mil C are we getting?

And besides that... we have literally no depth.

 

[Muffin]

Realistically I'd be happy with Henrique at this point.

 

[JH21]

Trade Rantanen and we will have a better team. This is way too thin.

A bunch of depth players will not make us a better team as compared to a 50 goal, 100 point player.

What are you not understanding here?

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Well then we trade Byram too for a haul and we still have Behrens or Gulayayev ready to slot in.

We have options.

It's going to be interesting summer, that's for sure.

A bunch of depth players will not make us a better team as compared to a 50 goal, 100 point player.

What are you not understanding here?

12.5million is the problem.

It's a crappy team without any depth.

Our top players will again be overplayed and sick of hockey by the playoffs.

 

[Alienblood]

Realistically I'd be happy with Henrique at this point.

same, just do it and pay a cheaper price

 

[Foppa2118]

You keep saying career high of 59 points as if that's a bad thing. The Avs need a 2C and he's come a legit 2C who's decent defensively.

You're leaving out all the context I provided.

18 goals and 59 points by itself is fine. They can win with that level of player at 2C. It's just not worth the price IMO. Compher had 17 goals 52 points for the Avs last year.

Henrique is pacing for 5 more goals and only 7 less points than Mitts.

Ritchie could match or better his production at 2C in his rookie year on a much cheaper contract, that could potentially be as soon as next year.

Why do they need to move key assets for Mitts and give him a raise given all that context?

I just think you guys have been talked into thinking he's a better player than he is. He's 95th in pts/game among forwards in his best contract season so far and he's "only" turning 26 in November.

 

[henchman21]

Realistically I'd be happy with Henrique at this point.

This is like being an abused spouse. Eventually you think it is okay. Henrique is no way an acceptable solution. Maybe he’s what we get, but it isn’t acceptable.

 

[JH21]

What miraculous 5mil C are we getting?

And besides that... we have literally no depth.

Brock Nelson, Travis Konecny, Yannie Gourde, Sam Bennett, Alex Iafallo, Robbie Fabbri, Yegor Sharangovich, Carter Verhege, Evgeny Kuznetsov, Jake Evans

2025 is loaded with UFA centers.

 

[henchman21]

same, just do it and pay a cheaper price

Henrique is roughly at a 2nd + B prospect level and teams in the running are offering 24 and 25 picks. He becomes and Av with a 1st or 26 2nd and some good prospect

 

[JH21]

This is like being an abused spouse. Eventually you think it is okay. Henrique is no way an acceptable solution. Maybe he’s what we get, but it isn’t acceptable.

Why not? Aren't guys screaming for depth scoring?

Who do you expect us to get?

 

[henchman21]

Why not? Aren't guys screaming for depth scoring?

Who do you expect us to get?

A legit 2C. Plenty have changed hands since Kadri left. About time the Avs grab one.

Henrique at best is a 2nd line winger, but he’s really a versatile 3rd liner. Convincing yourself that is good enough is delusion.

 

[Alienblood]

Henrique is roughly at a 2nd + B prospect level and teams in the running are offering 24 and 25 picks. He becomes and Av with a 1st or 26 2nd and some good prospect

fine by me 26 2nd and Behrens

 

[henchman21]

fine by me 26 2nd and Behrens

We’re talking 26 2nd and Goulash.

 

[JLo217]

A legit 2C. Plenty have changed hands since Kadri left. About time the Avs grab one.

Henrique at best is a 2nd line winger, but he’s really a versatile 3rd liner. Convincing yourself that is good enough is delusion.

ahem... 605 days

 

[AslanRH]

This is a hockey forum. We are supposed to have different opinions and ideas. If we had same ideas and opinions there would be no talk or any point posting.

Enjoy different ideas and opinions.

I am glad you are happy with the state of this club. We have few exciting pieces which makes me happy too.

Never stated the opinions needed to be the same, but ok, thanks for the advice

 

[Alienblood]

fine

We’re talking 26 2nd and Goulash.

fine.with that too

 

[JH21]

A legit 2C. Plenty have changed hands since Kadri left. About time the Avs grab one.

Henrique at best is a 2nd line winger, but he’s really a versatile 3rd liner. Convincing yourself that is good enough is delusion.

Well let's hear some names. Who's available that can be had, with term, without selling the farm? Monahan? Lindholm? Those guys don't move the needle. Not for what they were traded for.

I'm not trading valuable assets for a rental.

Not when we haven't even had a healthy team all year.

 

[The Abusement Park]

You're leaving out all the context I provided.

18 goals and 59 points by itself is fine. They can win with that level of player at 2C. It's just not worth the price IMO. Compher had 17 goals 52 points for the Avs last year.

Henrique is pacing for 5 more goals and only 7 less points than Mitts.

Ritchie could match or better his production at 2C in his rookie year on a much cheaper contract, that could potentially be as soon as next year.

Why do they need to move key assets for Mitts and give him a raise given all that context?

I just think you guys have been talked into thinking he's a better player than he is. He's 94th in pts/game among forwards in his best season so far and he's "only" turning 26 in November.

We've seen plenty of Compher in the top 6. He doesn't work there long term, he can spot there but he's not going to succeed as a 2C. Mittlestadt was drafted with those expectations and it took some time but looks like he's finally there.

Ritchie putting up 65pts as a 20 year old would be... incredibly unlikely. I'm not saying trade him, he shouldn't be outside of a very few unlikely trades. But betting another year smack dab in the middle of a contention window with a 20 year old 2C would be so so so frustrating, especially if it didn't work out again.

Henrique isn't a C. He's a talented player but would cost a 1st and wouldn't fill the need in the lineup. If your gonna spend a 1st spend more on an actual C who would move the needle more.

Because the 2C hole is a major position and it's currently a major problem. It will take key assets to add to fill that spot. I don't see the issue in adding a 60pt C? That's a center who produces at a 2C level offensively and has decent defensive metrics on a team that is poor defensively. He'd be a great fit here and would fill a massive hole here.

 

[Freaky Styley]

ugh Gourde would be such a perfect fit for what we need. Imagine a Lehkonen - Gourde - Nichuskin line...

 

[henchman21]

Well let's hear some names. Who's available that can be had, with term, without selling the farm? Monahan? Lindholm? Those guys don't move the needle. Not for what they were traded for.

I'm not trading valuable assets for a rental.

Not when we haven't even had a healthy team all year.

Selling the farm might be necessary… just a cost of doing business.

Mittelstadt and Zegras could be had and are long term type of solutions. Each year 3-4 guys change hands and 2 or 3 could be re signe or have term. Solutions are out there for a 2C. This isn’t a 1C or 1D situation. Yeah cost might be an extra asset or a better one… but not solving it will keep this team from contending with 2 of the top 5 players in the game.

 

[JH21]

We've seen plenty of Compher in the top 6. He doesn't work there long term, he can spot there but he's not going to succeed as a 2C. Mittlestadt was drafted with those expectations and it took some time but looks like he's finally there.

Ritchie putting up 65pts as a 20 year old would be... incredibly unlikely. I'm not saying trade him, he shouldn't be outside of a very few unlikely trades. But betting another year smack dab in the middle of a contention window with a 20 year old 2C would be so so so frustrating, especially if it didn't work out again.

Henrique isn't a C. He's a talented player but would cost a 1st and wouldn't fill the need in the lineup. If your gonna spend a 1st spend more on an actual C who would move the needle more.

Because the 2C hole is a major position and it's currently a major problem. It will take key assets to add to fill that spot. I don't see the issue in adding a 60pt C? That's a center who produces at a 2C level offensively and has decent defensive metrics on a team that is poor defensively. He'd be a great fit here and would fill a massive hole here.

Compher seems to be doing fine as a 2C in Detroit.

7 points in his last 10. Strong two way play. 34 points in 53 games. 53 point pace over 82 games.

He'd be 5th on our team in scoring right now. We should have never let him go.