Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Foppa2118]

His contract year but he’s a RFA so theoretically you could have him for two playoff runs, even if you can’t get a long-term extension done.

Personally, I like that more than a rental in Henrique, whose going to likely cost a 1st rd pick+.

I mention Mitt's contract year, because that's usually when players put up their best numbers.

He's 25 and his career high is 15 goals and 59 points, and in his contract year when people think he's been playing better, he's still only on pace for 18 goals and 62 points.

If he stays that level of player, let alone regresses, Ritchie could potentially have the same or better production in his rookie season. Which might even come next year if he looks good in a tryout.

On a much cheaper deal, even if they could get Mitt's to sign a short term deal, and even more so on a long term.

 

[Freaky Styley]

Not to mention Vancouver is as close to the chill west coast lifestyle of California as it gets for Canada . So if he’s not happy with that either …

Ya really interesting. Don't hear too often of players wanting out of Vancouver, it's a pretty great place to live, especially if you have money. Plus the Naslund and the Sedins set him up perfectly as their next glorified Swede

I'd guess it's more of the Canadian media. That lockerroom has been pretty divided for years now too. Petey would be a perfect fit here but we'd have to lose Rantanen to make the cap work, which I wouldn't be against.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Ya really interesting. Don't hear too often of players wanting out of Vancouver, it's a pretty great place to live, especially if you have money. Plus the Naslund and the Sedins set him up perfectly as their next glorified Swede

I'd guess it's more of the Canadian media. That lockerroom has been pretty divided for years now too. Petey would be a perfect fit here but we'd have to lose Rantanen to make the cap work, which I wouldn't be against.

It does sound like something is wrong with the team even if good results this season.

He probably never expected Vancouver to have this good season so his excuse "we are not winning" isn't good anymore. I guess it's starting to sound like "I just don't like it here and I want out".

They even got him another Swedish buddy and even then meh. Hard to please the fella.

 

[chet1926]

There's no such thing as cheap points. A point is a point and Rantanen is a top 10 scorer and an elite sniper. You don't get rid of those guys.

He will get an 8 year, 12.5 mil deal. Less than Mackinnon.

You build around the guys you draft and reward them. Plain and simple.

So while I typically agree with your sentiment about treating your own well. I don't see negotiations going well with 96. They were already a pain in the ass once and I foresee him doing the same again. I can almost guarantee the ask will be more than 29 at that point I'd rather trade him.

 

[henchman21]

Maybe he likes sunshine.

(This reminds me of the Stamkos drama)

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Maybe he likes sunshine.

(This reminds me of the Stamkos drama)

Vancouver experiences an average of 290 days a year with measurable sunshine, most of it in spring and summer. During winter, days are short, with the sun setting around 4:30 p.m.

 

[henchman21]

There's no such thing as cheap points. A point is a point and Rantanen is a top 10 scorer and an elite sniper. You don't get rid of those guys.

He will get an 8 year, 12.5 mil deal. Less than Mackinnon.

You build around the guys you draft and reward them. Plain and simple.

Vegas:

Vancouver experiences an average of 290 days a year with measurable sunshine, most of it in spring and summer. During winter, days are short, with the sun setting around 4:30 p.m.

Nerd

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

So while I typically agree with your sentiment about treating your own well. I don't see negotiations going well with 96. They were already a pain in the ass once and I foresee him doing the same again. I can almost guarantee the ask will be more than 29 at that point I'd rather trade him.

I can't believe he would demand more than MacK. Unless he wants out.

Mikko must know Avalanche ain't paying him more than MacK.

 

[Perratrooper]

I know it won’t happen, but out of curiosity how do you guys feel about the following trade, Sabres fans seem to on board with it:

To Colorado:
Cozens
Gergenson
Östlund
2024 first

To Buffalo:
Rantanen

A trade like this would definitely have me intrigued. We’d get a 23 year old top 6 center, a 4C as well as a highly ranked center prospect and a first. A trade like this could also allow for us to potentially land another key piece, Bunchnevich anyone?

 

[The Abusement Park]

On the other hand, what has Byram shown to be worth Mercer?

Well I mean fair, but I meant not worth it to move Byram for a winger not a C.

 

[Foppa2118]

What has Connor Bedard shown to be worth Dawson Mercer?

 

[henchman21]

I can't believe he would demand more than MacK. Unless he wants out.

Mikko must know Avalanche ain't paying him more than MacK.

I 100% believe Mikko is starting at 14m in the next negotiations with an aim of 13.25-13.5. He’s worth that on the market for sure. Worth that here with the other questions and contracts is debatable.

 

[The Abusement Park]

I mention Mitt's contract year, because that's usually when players put up their best numbers.

He's 25 and his career high is 15 goals and 59 points, and in his contract year when people think he's been playing better, he's still only on pace for 18 goals and 62 points.

If he stays that level of player, let alone regresses, Ritchie could potentially have the same or better production in his rookie season. Which might even come next year if he looks good in a tryout.

On a much cheaper deal, even if they could get Mitt's to sign a short term deal, and even more so on a long term.

You keep saying career high of 59 points as if that's a bad thing. The Avs need a 2C and he's come a legit 2C who's decent defensively.

 

[Pokecheque]

Assuming he signs, yeah.. I would too if that is what it took, or add the 1st.

Having two centers of that caliber is too f***in tempting to not push your chips in on.

It would solve the center depth problem for years. It’s the best possible option out there (if it’s even an option). So yeah I have no issue whatsoever handing over that package to solve that issue.

 

[The Abusement Park]

What has Connor Bedard shown to be worth Dawson Mercer?

What now...?

 

[Linds]

I know it won’t happen, but out of curiosity how do you guys feel about the following trade, Sabres fans seem to on board with it:

To Colorado:
Cozens
Gergenson
Östlund
2024 first

To Buffalo:
Rantanen

A trade like this would definitely have me intrigued. We’d get a 23 year old top 6 center, a 4C as well as a highly ranked center prospect and a first. A trade like this could also allow for us to potentially land another key piece, Bunchnevich anyone?

Besides Cozens, the rest of that package is pretty meh for a top 10 winger in the NHL. Plus the Avs need pieces to win now

 

[JH21]

Disagree here. We clearly give up the best player, but gain a lot also. Don't want to miss Rantanen to free agency and if Landy comes back we can't even afford him.

Yes we can. I've shown you examples multiple times.

Find me one trade where a team trades the superior player and comes out ahead.

You'd think you would have learnt the last time we traded a star player for multiple depth pieces. Go look at the return what we got for O'Reilly. That's what will happen if we trade Rantanen in your proposal.

But for the 10th time:

2025/26

*Girard traded for picks/prospects.
**Sign a center for 4-5 million per year.

Lehkonen (4.5)- Mackinnon (12.6) - Rantanen (12.5)
Landeskog (7) - 2C (5) - Nichushkin (6.125)
Wood (2.5) - Colton (4)- O'Connor (3)
Vet (775k) - Vet (775k) -Kovalenko (895k)

$59,670,000

Toews (7.25) - Makar (9)
Byram (5.5) - Manson (4.5)
Vet (775k) - Malinski (850k)

$27,875,000

Goalie #1 (3.5)
Goalie #2 (875k)

$4,375,000

Total - $91,920,000
Projected cap - $92,000,000

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I 100% believe Mikko is starting at 14m in the next negotiations with an aim of 13.25-13.5. He’s worth that on the market for sure. Worth that here with the other questions and contracts is debatable.

He is as good as gone if he asks those numbers.

And he should be

I wouldn't pay. It's too much.

I know it won’t happen, but out of curiosity how do you guys feel about the following trade, Sabres fans seem to on board with it:

To Colorado:
Cozens
Gergenson
Östlund
2024 first

To Buffalo:
Rantanen

A trade like this would definitely have me intrigued. We’d get a 23 year old top 6 center, a 4C as well as a highly ranked center prospect and a first. A trade like this could also allow for us to potentially land another key piece, Bunchnevich anyone?

Girgensons?

He is UFA after this season. We ain't moving Mikko now but off-season.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

You keep saying career high of 59 points as if that's a bad thing. The Avs need a 2C and he's come a legit 2C who's decent defensively.

Curious what he will ask long-term.

 

[JH21]

Even when you try to make a joke you manage to f*** it up

What am I missing?

 

[EdAVSfan]

Yes we can. I've shown you examples multiple times.

Find me one trade where a team trades the superior player and comes out ahead.

You'd think you would have learnt the last time we traded a star player for multiple depth pieces. Go look at the return what we got for O'Reilly. That's what will happen if we trade Rantanen in your proposal.

But for the 10th time:

2025/26

*Girard traded for picks/prospects.
**Sign a center for 4-5 million per year.

Lehkonen (4.5)- Mackinnon (12.6) - Rantanen (12.5)
Landeskog (7) - 2C (5) - Nichushkin (6.125)
Wood (2.5) - Colton (4)- O'Connor (3)
Vet (775k) - Vet (775k) -Kovalenko (895k)

$59,670,000

Toews (7.25) - Makar (9)
Byram (5.5) - Manson (4.5)
Vet (775k) - Malinski (850k)

$27,875,000

Goalie #1 (3.5)
Goalie #2 (875k)

$4,375,000

Total - $91,920,000
Projected cap - $92,000,000

Youre at the cap and only have a 20 man roster. Youre literally screwed with any injury that isnt LTIR.

 

[sethro109]

Yes we can. I've shown you examples multiple times.

Find me one trade where a team trades the superior player and comes out ahead.

You'd think you would have learnt the last time we traded a star player for multiple depth pieces. Go look at the return what we got for O'Reilly. That's what will happen if we trade Rantanen in your proposal.

But for the 10th time:

2025/26

*Girard traded for picks/prospects.
**Sign a center for 4-5 million per year.

Lehkonen (4.5)- Mackinnon (12.6) - Rantanen (12.5)
Landeskog (7) - 2C (5) - Nichushkin (6.125)
Wood (2.5) - Colton (4)- O'Connor (3)
Vet (775k) - Vet (775k) -Kovalenko (895k)

$59,670,000

Toews (7.25) - Makar (9)
Byram (5.5) - Manson (4.5)
Vet (775k) - Malinski (850k)

$27,875,000

Goalie #1 (3.5)
Goalie #2 (875k)

$4,375,000

Total - $91,920,000
Projected cap - $92,000,000

You're crazy if you think Bo is signing a 5.5. Power just got 8.

 

[JH21]

We are already seeing the downsides of not having enough depth and overplaying the top guys every game.

Is this is a winning formula? I don't think so. We can make the playoffs but then top guys are tired at the most critical point of the season. We wasted the regular season for their skills.

I don't know. It's a hard decision. Maybe I would prefer to have more well-rounded team than super top heavy one.

And what should have we done to NOT overplay our top guys when we lost both Nichushkin and Lehkonen at the same time?

Any team that loses two top 6 forwards for an extended period (Nichushkin, Lehkonen) will struggle. Our depth is fine.

Drouin- Mackinnon- Nichushkin
Lehkonen- Johansen- Rantanen
Wood- Colton- O'Connor
Parise- Wagner- Cogliano

That is one of the better forward groups in the league. When healthy.

 

[Perratrooper]

Besides Cozens, the rest of that package is pretty meh for a top 10 winger in the NHL. Plus the Avs need pieces to win now

If the Avs could trade their own first plus Östlund for Buchnevich would you consider Cozens, Buch and moving up in the first enough?

 

[JH21]

You're crazy if you think Bo is signing a 5.5. Power just got 8.

Byram isn't getting 8 mil.

Buffalo also has to over pay guys to resign there.