Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[niwotsblessing]

This is all fantasy talk and I'm the one who posts Kadri gifs every third day so I get it but I'd say the chances of Rantanen getting traded in season are close to zero. Even in the offseason I'd be shocked if they made a move like that but in the next three weeks? Nah.

Lets just get Mittelstadt and make a run.

Drouin-MacKinnon-Rantanen
Lehkonen-Mittelstadt-Nichushkin
Wood-Colton-LOC
Parise-Cogliano-Kiviranta
Landeskog

That's a forward group you can win it all with. Drouin sticks out, even with his success this season, but you have options if he sucks.

Use Byram in the Mittelstadt trade and then trade the 1st for a defenseman.

Don't ask me about the goaltending.

Kovalenko replaces Kiviranta on the 4th line.

 

[AvStock]

They're not that slim.

His timeline was 12-18 months, and this is a pretty new surgery, so that's likely a conservative timeline.

He started skating in January and 12 months would be in May, so the 2nd or 3rd round are within the estimated timeline.

We aren’t reaching the 2nd or 3rd round as is

 

[CobraAcesS]

I'm probably the only person on these boards who'd be more than okay with this trade. Probably would have to include more stuff just to have salaries balance out or whatever but pfffft yeah I would do this.

Assuming he signs, yeah.. I would too if that is what it took, or add the 1st.

Having two centers of that caliber is too f***in tempting to not push your chips in on.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

cool
I don't have to enjoy eternal suffering because my team has averaged 1 cup per decade. Compared to many of the fans of other teams I interact with, I feel fortunate more often than not.

Or perhaps there is a middle somewhere where frustration doesn't turn into rage posting about the future of someone who you have no idea what they are and are not doing 75% of the time

This is a hockey forum. We are supposed to have different opinions and ideas. If we had same ideas and opinions there would be no talk or any point posting.

Enjoy different ideas and opinions.

I am glad you are happy with the state of this club. We have few exciting pieces which makes me happy too.

Byram+Rantanen wouldn't offend most people but you're acting like Ritchie is just some throw in when he's not. Button has him ranked as the 6th best NHL affiliated prospect in the world.

Cutter Gauthier, Alexander Nikishin lead Craig Button’s top 50 NHL-affiliated prospects list | TSN

Cutter Gauthier was in the midst of some controversy this season, but there's nothing controversial about Craig Button ranking him at No. 1.

www.tsn.ca

This is actually pretty sick.

 

[Foppa2118]

We aren’t reaching the 2nd or 3rd round as is

This team could be much improved by the 1st round. They could add Val, Kovalenko, and a 2C, and maybe other pieces like a 6D or 4C.

This is a potentially dangerous lineup. If they can get decent goaltending, they should be able to advance past the first round and maybe add Landy.

Drouin - MacK - Mikko
Lehky - 2C - Nuke
Wood - Colton - LOC
Cogs - 4C - Parise

Toews - Makar
Girard - Manson
Byram - JJ/6D

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Exactly, which is why you trade him. Probably should have been last summer. His trade value is dropping every single day at this point.

His records are excellent. His value ain't dropping this season.

You would be comfortable trading Rantanen, Byram, AND Ritchie for Elias Pettersson????

Yep, this would be lunacy.

How did this consensus happen that Petterson is worth so much more than Mikko?

Mikko has 4 80+ point seasons. Petterson has 1. Petey's career season, Mikko had more points.

Even this year, with Mikko struggling, he still has one more goal, and the same amount of points as Petterson in one less game.

Petterson's Best Seasons

2022-23: 80 games - 39 goals - 102 points
2021-22: 80 games - 32 goals - 68 points
2019-20: 68 games - 27 goals - 66 points
2018-19: 71 games - 28 goals - 66 points

2023-24: 60 games - 29 goals - 74 points

Mikko's Best Seasons

2022-23: 82 games - 55 goals - 105 points
2021-22: 75 games - 36 goals - 92 points
2018-19: 74 games - 31 goals - 87 points
2017-18: 81 games - 29 goals - 84 points

2023-24: 59 games - 30 goals - 74 points

Exactly.

I would add 1st and call it a deal.

 

[NateTheGreat]

I said contenders, like for the Stanley cup. Why would last year mean anything in terms of this deadline? Lol

I post evidence proving what you said to be wrong and you reply by suggesting that *checks notes* two top 5 teams in the league currently aren’t contenders so apparently those trades don’t count as contenders making moves.

As for last year, just thought I’d give even more examples of teams making trades before the deadline to bolster their roster.

Contrary to what you falsely stated, teams have made moves well before the deadline and generally those are the ones involving the bigger pieces for that year.

My point stands, if the Avs had something cooking for a real 2C they’d probably know the framework or it’d be done by now. Which leads me to believe they’ll only make minor additions that don’t move the needle.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I'm on the fence in a vacuum scenario, but on top of all the better offensive seasons from Mikko, and his chemistry with Nate, we can't ignore that Petterson is going to cost $3M more than Mikko next year.

They're probably going to have to lose one of Girard, Byram, or Manson in the offseason as it is with Mikko at $9.25M.

With Petterson supposedly still sitting on a $12M offer from Vancouver, that price would mean they'd have to lose somebody else like Lehky, or they'd have to lose 2 of Girard, Byram, or Manson and replace them with someone worse.

A $12M 2C will significantly impact the Avs depth at both forward and D, and they will still have to keep going with cheap goaltending. It's just a luxury I don't think they can afford.

Same happens with Mikko though.

We are screwed either way.

Not to mention the impact on Nate's game who loves playing with Mikko. I'm not even sure the Avs are better in a 1 for 1 swap with Mikko, let alone Bo and Ritchie. Especially if they can add an average 2C.

This is only the 2nd season at a ppg+ pace for Petterson.

This is Mikko's 6th, and he's having a down year, and he's got 1 more goal, and tied in points in the same number of games.

And Petterson is gonna be more expensive than Mikko next year, and supposedly hasn't signed a $12M offer sitting on the table since the beginning of the season.

I doubt it's about money for Pettersson.

 

[Foppa2118]

Same happens with Mikko though.

We are screwed either way.



I doubt it's about money for Pettersson.

Yeah, but at least they have a cheaper year with Mikko next year. That's a big benefit for this team. Cap could take another big jump after that too.

Trying to work in a $12M+ player next year would cause them to lose players they might not have to long term. Like Lehky for example.

 

[Bender]

A friend saves you from things.

(Still… the value isn’t all that off)

I think it is. Not sure anyone would think that Jake Allen has this tremendous value...he's having a crappy season just like RyJo.

It's a $4M contract for next year just like Ryjo. If he's not stellar why would the Avs trade their best prospect + a 1st only to acquire a couple of 34 year olds where Henrique is more of a 3rd line player at this point + Allen who's an overpaid backup who might not even play in the playoffs?

Even at 50%, that doesn't make this deal even close to palatable. If we had RyJo at $2M would we be happier with his play?

I'd actually prefer they do nothing than give up too much for players who don't truly solve their #2C issue. Now if they ARE able to find a player that can and will, then I don't really mind if they do overpay.

No more of these f***ing Derrick Brassard acquisitions.. it's gonna make me puke.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Yeah, but at least they have a cheaper year with Mikko next year. That's a big benefit for this team. Cap could take another big jump after that too.

Trying to work in a $12M+ player next year would cause them to lose players they might not have to long term. Like Lehky for example.

That is true but there's just no way I'd let Mikko walk. He can bring in a huge return. Walking is out of question.

Either he stays long-term or he is traded this summer imo.

 

[Foppa2118]

That is true but there's just no way I'd let Mikko walk. He can bring in a huge return. Walking is out of question.

Either he stays long-term or he is traded this summer imo.

That's how I feel too. Staying is most likely. If they can't agree to a deal this off season, I think he gets traded for a package deal with a veteran top line capable winger making less.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

That's how I feel too. Staying is most likely. If they can't agree to a deal this off season, I think he gets traded for a package deal with a veteran top line capable winger making less.

I felt bad letting Stastny walk for nothing. It felt like total waste of an asset.

He was good player for us. Too good to let go for nothing.

Same would be with Rantanen but he is even more valuable.

 

[shadow1]

A friend just sent me this:

COLORADO would receive Adam Henrique and Jake Allen

ANAHEIM would receive Calum Ritchie, the 1st round COL pick in 2025, Sean Behrens, and Ryan Johansen

MTL would receive a 3rd round pick in 2026 from Colorado

*ANA would retain 50% of the contracts of Henrique and Allen

- Via NHL Watcher

I think I would stop being a fan if it happened.

Just for reference, NHL Watcher is just a vacuum for reporting various NHL rumors/media.

Here's the source, I think it was discussed a few pages back: NHL Mock Trades: Stars get Chychrun, Avalanche land net help

 

[Foppa2118]

I think it is. Not sure anyone would think that Jake Allen has this tremendous value...he's having a crappy season just like RyJo.

It's a $4M contract for next year just like Ryjo. If he's not stellar why would the Avs trade their best prospect + a 1st only to acquire a couple of 34 year olds where Henrique is more of a 3rd line player at this point + Allen who's an overpaid backup who might not even play in the playoffs?

Even at 50%, that doesn't make this deal even close to palatable. If we had RyJo at $2M would we be happier with his play?

I'd actually prefer they do nothing than give up too much for players who don't truly solve their #2C issue. Now if they ARE able to find a player that can and will, then I don't really mind if they do overpay.

No more of these f***ing Derrick Brassard acquisitions.. it's gonna make me puke.

Allen shouldn't even be an option for free IMO. It's too risky.

This is his second year in a row with a sub 900 save %, and he's making $3.85M next year.

Even at 50% that's still too big a gamble for this team. They need every penny to count next year if Landy comes back.

 

[Alienblood]

when are we.trading for Binnington

 

[JH21]

Rantanen
Makar
Nichushkin
Toews
2025 1st

For

Petterson

Am I doing it right?

 

[S E P H]

Get MFing Barabanov, what do I have to do at this point? Conduct voodoo?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Rantanen
Makar
Nichushkin
Toews
2025 1st

For

Petterson

Am I doing it right?

Way too much salary going to Van, Avs would have to take back all their bad contracts

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Get MFing Barabanov, what do I have to do at this point? Conduct voodoo?

He hasn’t been great this year

 

[henchman21]

Rantanen
Makar
Nichushkin
Toews
2025 1st

For

Petterson

Am I doing it right?

If by right you mean hyperbolic

 

[Alienblood]

Get MFing Barabanov, what do I have to do at this point? Conduct voodoo?

yes him and Blackwood

 

[henchman21]

Get MFing Barabanov, what do I have to do at this point? Conduct voodoo?

Buy a vowel… and may I suggest a

 

[S E P H]

He hasn’t been great this year

Then that means he's cheaper than ever blud. Always buy low.

yes him and Blackwood

If Blackwood is how you spell Vladar in your native language, then you are on point my brethren.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Reading last few pages on Pettersson from the Canucks forum. Their situation seems to be a bit similar to us. Same sort of problem as we with Rantanen. It's not like they are thrilled to throw him 12mil and he gets "cheap points". Pettersson slumping to 100 point season. Sounds familiar..