Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[dahrougem2]

I'm probably the only person on these boards who'd be more than okay with this trade. Probably would have to include more stuff just to have salaries balance out or whatever but pfffft yeah I would do this.

You would be comfortable trading Rantanen, Byram, AND Ritchie for Elias Pettersson????

 

[Frenchy]

I would do that, personally.

Mikko is the better scorer and point producer but B.Tkachuk is a pain in the ass to play against and can still put up 80 points. At $8.25M for the next 4 years after this one, hell yeah I'd make that deal.

I would do it too , without hesitation. We dont know if Landy will ever play again and Tkachuk would take His place on this roster , points , grit and leadership.

Mikko for Tkachuk ? any day of the week .

 

[JH21]

Hello avs boardz

Been seeing a lot of rantanen for Petey proposals.

Rantanen + Byram is intriguing largely because we get Byram included in the package as well.

Rantanen and the contract he wants is a bit scary though. I’m more than fine re signing Pettersson to $12M as he’s a top 6 C and if he’s willing to re sign then this whole trade idea is moot, full stop. Rantanen on the other hand i’m not sure. Avs fans correct me if I’m wrong but he’s not an all situations guy? And many of his points come from Mackinnon as well? Though could be a case where both benefit each other.

I’d probably want Rantanen, Byram, and Ritchie back in an ideal trade so we at least get a promising center prospect back in return. Although I’m not sure if he’s untouchable or if that would be too much on your guys part.

Regardless, I really don’t think we end up winning a trade that involves Pettersson, but this is likely the type of deal that would happen.

Might as well throw in Makar to get the deal done.

 

[Chiarelli]

You would be comfortable trading Rantanen, Byram, AND Ritchie for Elias Pettersson????

I would. I'd hope you could get an ELC or young cost controlled guy thrown in on top of EP even if it's a bottom pair d or bottom 6 f.


That said I don't value Byram like most here and Ritchie is 3-5 years from meaning anything to this team

 

[dahrougem2]

I would. I'd hope you could get an ELC or young cost controlled guy thrown in on top of EP even if it's a bottom pair d or bottom 6 f.


That said I don't value Byram like most here and Ritchie is 3-5 years from meaning anything to this team

People worry about our cap situation right now. So we'd be trading our top line winger, a top 4 defensemen, and our best prospect and replacing them with a guy who would play behind Nathan MacKinnon for likely 11+M per season and still be in cap hell but now without Byram.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I'm probably the only person on these boards who'd be more than okay with this trade. Probably would have to include more stuff just to have salaries balance out or whatever but pfffft yeah I would do this.

I think there'd be a few of you/us for sure.


Personally, while I think Ritchie on top of Byram and Rantanen is probably too much, I wouldn't let the deal fall apart over adding Ritchie either. I would just be pushing to get another piece back from Vancouver at that point.

 

[BoxOfChocolates]

Mikko and Byram for Petey is something i’d consider, wouldn't add to that though

 

[Foppa2118]

How did this consensus happen that Petterson is worth so much more than Mikko?

Mikko has 4 80+ point seasons. Petterson has 1. Petey's career season, Mikko had more points.

Even this year, with Mikko struggling, he still has one more goal, and the same amount of points as Petterson in one less game.

Petterson's Best Seasons

2022-23: 80 games - 39 goals - 102 points
2021-22: 80 games - 32 goals - 68 points
2019-20: 68 games - 27 goals - 66 points
2018-19: 71 games - 28 goals - 66 points

2023-24: 60 games - 29 goals - 74 points

Mikko's Best Seasons

2022-23: 82 games - 55 goals - 105 points
2021-22: 75 games - 36 goals - 92 points
2018-19: 74 games - 31 goals - 87 points
2017-18: 81 games - 29 goals - 84 points

2023-24: 59 games - 30 goals - 74 points

 

[BobRossColton]

People worry about our cap situation right now. So we'd be trading our top line winger, a top 4 defensemen, and our best prospect and replacing them with a guy who would play behind Nathan MacKinnon for likely 11+M per season and still be in cap hell but now without Byram.

It works mostly.

 

[Pokecheque]

You would be comfortable trading Rantanen, Byram, AND Ritchie for Elias Pettersson????

Yes.

 

[BobRossColton]

Rantanen
Byram
Ritchie

EP40
Hoglander

Although having Ritchie on a bridge/elc when Colton ends, would also be useful.

 

[JH21]

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It works mostly.

Except that team is worse than what we are icing now.

The mania of making a move just for making a move is off the charts in here.

I wouldn't trade EP for Rantanen straight up yet you guys want to ADD Byram and Ritchie to a deal. Wtf is wrong with this place?

 

[Foppa2118]

People worry about our cap situation right now. So we'd be trading our top line winger, a top 4 defensemen, and our best prospect and replacing them with a guy who would play behind Nathan MacKinnon for likely 11+M per season and still be in cap hell but now without Byram.

Not to mention the impact on Nate's game who loves playing with Mikko. I'm not even sure the Avs are better in a 1 for 1 swap with Mikko, let alone Bo and Ritchie. Especially if they can add an average 2C.

This is only the 2nd season at a ppg+ pace for Petterson.

This is Mikko's 6th, and he's having a down year, and he's got 1 more goal, and tied in points in the same number of games.

And Petterson is gonna be more expensive than Mikko next year, and supposedly hasn't signed a $12M offer sitting on the table since the beginning of the season.

 

[GeoRox89]

So many of you would seem to benefit from not being a fan of sports.
If a championship or bust is all that will bring you pleasure, no matter the sport, it can't be good for your health.

Having survived decade(s) of toil in my 2 primary fandoms, while frustrating, having a consistently competitive team is so much better than the alternative.

This board trying to survive being an England supporter would be a sight to behold

Completely disagree with the notion that if they aren’t going to win the Cup it’s not worth watching but CMac is approaching Southgate levels of frustrating. Sometimes it’s hard but still working on keeping the perspective of at least enjoying Mack and Makar and the consistent level of competitiveness of this team. One day this team will be a basement dweller again and I’d hate to look back and realized I’d missed enjoying the good times because I was overly focused on being frustrated they weren’t even better

 

[dahrougem2]

Not to mention the impact on Nate's game who loves playing with Mikko. I'm not even sure the Avs are better in a 1 for 1 swap with Mikko, let alone Bo and Ritchie. Especially if they can add an average 2C.

This is only the 2nd season at a pt/gm+ pace for Petterson.

This is Mikko's 6th, and he's having a down year, and he's got 1 more goal, and tied in points in the same number of games.

In a vacuum I would probably make a Mikko for Pettersson trade, because I'd rather allocate those dollars towards a 2nd line center instead of a 1st line winger. HOWEVER, that cannot happen by also including Bo Byram and Cal Ritchie.

I think MacKinnon and Pettersson as a duo would be more than capable of finding success with Nichushkin/Lehkonen/Drouin/4th winger to form a great top six.

 

[Bender]

In a vacuum I would probably make a Mikko for Rantanen trade, because I'd rather allocate those dollars towards a 2nd line center instead of a 1st line winger. HOWEVER, that cannot happen by also including Bo Byram and Cal Ritchie.

I think MacKinnon and Pettersson as a duo would be more than capable of finding success with Nichushkin/Lehkonen/Drouin/4th winger to form a great top six.

Those guys are practically identical!

 

[Foppa2118]

In a vacuum I would probably make a Mikko for Rantanen trade, because I'd rather allocate those dollars towards a 2nd line center instead of a 1st line winger. HOWEVER, that cannot happen by also including Bo Byram and Cal Ritchie.

I think MacKinnon and Pettersson as a duo would be more than capable of finding success with Nichushkin/Lehkonen/Drouin/4th winger to form a great top six.

I'm on the fence in a vacuum scenario, but on top of all the better offensive seasons from Mikko, and his chemistry with Nate, we can't ignore that Petterson is going to cost $3M more than Mikko next year.

They're probably going to have to lose one of Girard, Byram, or Manson in the offseason as it is with Mikko at $9.25M.

With Petterson supposedly still sitting on a $12M offer from Vancouver, that price would mean they'd have to lose somebody else like Lehky, or they'd have to lose 2 of Girard, Byram, or Manson and replace them with someone worse.

A $12M 2C will significantly impact the Avs depth at both forward and D, and they will still have to keep going with cheap goaltending. It's just a luxury I don't think they can afford.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Not to mention the impact on Nate's game who loves playing with Mikko. I'm not even sure the Avs are better in a 1 for 1 swap with Mikko, let alone Bo and Ritchie. Especially if they can add an average 2C.

This is only the 2nd season at a ppg+ pace for Petterson.

This is Mikko's 6th, and he's having a down year, and he's got 1 more goal, and tied in points in the same number of games.

And Petterson is gonna be more expensive than Mikko next year, and supposedly hasn't signed a $12M offer sitting on the table since the beginning of the season.

This is likely head in the clouds discussion anyway.

Funny though how MacFarland is an asset manager when it comes to talking himself out of big trades but he'll let someone like Rantanen or Kadri walk for nothing and give up a 2nd for Lars Eller.

 

[Metallo]

In a vacuum I would probably make a Mikko for Rantanen trade, because I'd rather allocate those dollars towards a 2nd line center instead of a 1st line winger. HOWEVER, that cannot happen by also including Bo Byram and Cal Ritchie.

I think MacKinnon and Pettersson as a duo would be more than capable of finding success with Nichushkin/Lehkonen/Drouin/4th winger to form a great top six.

Seems like a sideway deal at best. It's gotta be a deal that moves the team forward.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Those guys are practically identical!

 

[John Mandalorian]

Was going to ask this in the lounge but there’s an involved discussion about elden ring.

About 15-20 years ago, in American sports media (esp ESPN) the word “take” was frequently being used to mean “observation” or “opinion”. It didn’t seem to permeate every day conversation though.

This term is now rampantly being used on the main board. Why is this suddenly exploding into a mushroom cloud 15-20 years later?

Is it just now making it’s way to certain places? It kind of took a long time to catch on.

 

[Perratrooper]

I get we’re desperate for a 2C and I’m certainly not opposed to trading Rantanen+ for a 2C, but I’m not sure Rantanen+Byram+Ritchie is the best allocation of assets for us. Petterson has allegedly rejected $12m contract, if he’s looking to get paid more than MacK we put ourselves in a fairly similar position as things currently stand.

Are there no high-end 2C’s that are signed to reasonable cap hits long term that don’t cost us Rantanen++?

 

[JLo217]

I get we’re desperate for a 2C and I’m certainly not opposed to trading Rantanen+ for a 2C, but I’m not sure Rantanen+Byram+Ritchie is the best allocation of assets for us. Petterson has allegedly rejected $12m contract, if he’s looking to get paid more than MacK we put ourselves in a fairly similar position as things currently stand.

Are there no high-end 2C’s that are signed to reasonable cap hits long term that don’t cost us Rantanen++?

I think Zegras and Mitts would be in that category from what Hench has said. Don't @ me if I'm wrong on this. Just recalling what I read on here at some point at one of the 1 of 604 days the Avs haven't had a 2C.

 

[BobRossColton]

Byram
Rantanen

Stutzle

 

[John Mandalorian]

Byram
Rantanen

Stutzle

No chance.