Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[BobRossColton]

Hronek is an RFA this summer.

Okay, still rather difficult.

 

[The Moops]

700 days without a 2C

 

[the_fan]

Can the Avs somehow trade for Saros and have Nashville retain some salary, while they trade RyJo in a separate trade for a 2C? Obviously Georgiev needs to go too because they can’t afford 2 goalies making too much money

Ah screw it…I’m dreaming

 

[missionAvs]

Can the Avs somehow trade for Saros and have Nashville retain some salary, while they trade RyJo in a separate trade for a 2C? Obviously Georgiev needs to go too because they can’t afford 2 goalies making too much money

Ah screw it…I’m dreaming

Keep dreaming brother guy. It's the only way we get past this. Last night before I went to bed, I booted up NHL24 and played a game against the Leafs on easy and clobbered them like 18-1. That's the score I choose to remember.

 

[the_fan]

Keep dreaming brother guy. It's the only way we get past this. Last night before I went to bed, I booted up NHL24 and played a game against the Leafs on easy and cobbered them like 18-1. That's the score I choose to remember.

Do you have RyJo on your team?

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Okay, still rather difficult.

Basically what we are already dealing with, only we have far less cap space.

 

[missionAvs]

Do you have RyJo on your team?

You've pissed me off.

 

[the_fan]

You've pissed me off.

Sorry bud

 

[CobraAcesS]

Can the Avs somehow trade for Saros and have Nashville retain some salary, while they trade RyJo in a separate trade for a 2C? Obviously Georgiev needs to go too because they can’t afford 2 goalies making too much money

Ah screw it…I’m dreaming

I would take a goalie over the 2C if I was forced to choose..

 

[the_fan]

I would take a goalie over the 2C if I was forced to choose..

If it’s a top goalie, I would too. We could still get a cheaper depth center(which CMac is gonna do anyway)

 

[dahrougem2]

I would take a goalie over the 2C if I was forced to choose..

I wouldn't. This team dominated with Kuemper in goal, who isn't THAT much better than Georgiev.

Get a good 2nd line center, have Nichushkin return, and this team goes back to controlling play more often than not and the goaltender/defense looks better.

It has always been how this team operates. On paper, the Avs defense looks great but they aren't actually built to truly defend. They are built to put continuous offensive pressure on teams. The more time they spend in their own zone, the worse they look.

Improve the forwards, you will see improvement in D and G naturally.

 

[the_fan]

Devils need a goalie badly. Trade Georgiev to NJ for a 2nd round pick.

Trade a 1st, prospect for Saros with 1.5 mill retantion so you pay him the same as Georgiev

Then trade that NJ’s 2nd and another prospect for a depth center

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Devils need a goalie badly. Trade Georgiev to NJ for a 2nd round pick.

Trade a 1st, prospect for Saros with 1.5 mill retantion so you pay him the same as Georgiev

Then trade that NJ’s 2nd and another prospect for a depth center

Why would Nashville ever accept that.

 

[the_fan]

Why would Nashville ever accept that.

Saros is having a down year, but I thought he was a UFA next year. He has one more year on his contract which changes things. Never mind..

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

I would take a goalie over the 2C if I was forced to choose..

Nah, absolutely need a 2C first. The Avs proved in 2022 that with proper roster construction, they can win with an average or even slightly below average starting goalie.


Get a legit 2C, have Nuke and Landy return, and the Avs start controlling play at a much higher rate which in turn makes things easier on the defense and should make things easier on the goalie(Even though it's already not difficult by any means).

 

[Muffin]

Saros is having a down year, but I thought he was a UFA next year. He has one more year on his contract which changes things. Never mind..

Better for us he's on that contract for another year. He's making more than 5M on his next deal.

 

[the_fan]

Better for us he's on that contract for another year. He's making more than 5M on his next deal.

We all want CMac to make trades and stuff. To get a 2C and whatever else, it’s really not that simple. CMac’s hands are still tied with a potential of Landy coming back. This year he doesn’t have to worry about since Landy is on LTIR and if he comes back, it’s gonna be in the playoffs.

What about next year? Cap is going up 4 mill, and that money pretty much goes to Toews extension. Landy’s 7 mill is gonna be added to the cap. There is just no cap space to do much. Getting rid of RyJo will help, but that’s probably easier said than done at this point. As it is right now, they still have to clear up space for next year when Landy comes back.

There is just no room for 2C. They were able to get a guy like Kadri because he was on a cheap contract and MacK was making 6 mill. Right now this team just doesn’t have the space unless they start trading a guy like Girard or whoever

 

[JH21]

Nah, absolutely need a 2C first. The Avs proved in 2022 that with proper roster construction, they can win with an average or even slightly below average starting goalie.


Get a legit 2C, have Nuke and Landy return, and the Avs start controlling play at a much higher rate which in turn makes things easier on the defense and should make things easier on the goalie(Even though it's already not difficult by any means).

How long can we depend on Nichushkin for? I wouldn't bet my last 10 bucks on him coming back and being reliable. Dudes a headcase.

And will Landy even come back? What will he provide when he does come back?

Those are two HUGE question marks man.

They would riot but this is a scenario where Petey just doesn’t want to stay in Van and they have to do something just like Calgary with Tkachuk

Rants + Byram for Petey basically improves both teams as long as they figure out how to re-up Lindholm. Their D outside the top pairing is punching above their weight and Bo is an instant improvement over Cole playing significant minutes.

Mikko is old enough he likely takes the 8 year deal that Petey clearly has no interest in. 4 years on Petey doesn’t hurt us because this team is rebuilding by the end of that anyways.

It’s funny because it’s a pipe dream but almost an obnoxiously logical one for both teams especially when the Canucks have made it clear that it’s Hughes’ team not Petey’s

Rantanen AND Byram for Petterson? Don't we want to improve our team? What else is Vancouver throwing in?

Rantanen is old now? He's 27 and Petterson is 25.

 

[CobraAcesS]

If it’s a top goalie, I would too. We could still get a cheaper depth center(which CMac is gonna do anyway)

I wouldn't. This team dominated with Kuemper in goal, who isn't THAT much better than Georgiev.

Get a good 2nd line center, have Nichushkin return, and this team goes back to controlling play more often than not and the goaltender/defense looks better.

It has always been how this team operates. On paper, the Avs defense looks great but they aren't actually built to truly defend. They are built to put continuous offensive pressure on teams. The more time they spend in their own zone, the worse they look.

Improve the forwards, you will see improvement in D and G naturally.

Nah, absolutely need a 2C first. The Avs proved in 2022 that with proper roster construction, they can win with an average or even slightly below average starting goalie.


Get a legit 2C, have Nuke and Landy return, and the Avs start controlling play at a much higher rate which in turn makes things easier on the defense and should make things easier on the goalie(Even though it's already not difficult by any means).

I just don't have any faith that team will return. I guess if you do you'd lean the other way.

The goalie undercutting the team just makes the product crap.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

How long can we depend on Nichushkin for? I wouldn't bet my last 10 bucks on him coming back and being reliable. Dudes a headcase.

And will Landy even come back? What will he provide when he does come back?

Those are two HUGE question marks man.

Well this team goes as Nuke goes so either we rely on him, or we are done as a contender.


I think its a clownish response to think he won't come back and won't be reliable. He's actually getting help right now unlike last year and he still came back this year even better to start the year. Girard has come back looking better.


Landy deserves some skepticism.

 

[JH21]

Well this team goes as Nuke goes so either we rely on him, or we are done as a contender.


I think its a clownish response to think he won't come back and won't be reliable. He's actually getting help right now unlike last year and he still came back this year even better to start the year. Girard has come back looking better.


Landy deserves some skepticism.

Well I will believe it when I see it with Nichushkin. If it was me I would be approaching the trade deadline assuming both won't be back this year.

I'd argue Mackinnon, Makar and Rantanen are much more valuable than Nichushkin. Nuke is a nice winger and can help a line but we don't sink without him playing. I'd also argue Toews and Lehkonen are just as valuable.

Go get some depth and keep our D together. Don't trade valuable assets like our 1st or Byram if we don't think Nichuskin and Landeskog are coming back. Get rid of Johansen. It's all we need.

Wennberg could be had for a decent price and would fill the Compher Swiss army knife role we are missing. Henrique is having a heck of a year and probably won't cost much. Adding two guys like that without selling all our top pieces would actually improve our team and give us a solid 2nd line moving the Colton line down to a proper 3rd line.

Drouin- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Lehkonen- Wennberg- Henrique
Wood- Colton- O'Connor
Parise- Wagner- Cogliano

And best case scenario we make those moves, keep our 1st, Byram/Girard AND Nichushkin, Landeskog and Kovalenko come in for the playoffs and can make an impact.

Drouin- Mackinnon- Rantanen
Lehkonen- Wennberg- Henrique
Landeskog- Kovalenko- Nichushkin
Wood- Colton- O'Connor

Reserves- Parise/Wagner/Cogliano

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Well I will believe it when I see it with Nichushkin. If it was me I would be approaching the trade deadline assuming both won't be back this year.

I'd argue Mackinnon, Makar and Rantanen are much more valuable than Nichushkin. Nuke is a nice winger and can help a line but we don't sink without him playing. I'd also argue Toews and Lehkonen are just as valuable.

For sure! I mean, we've lost half our games over the last two years when Nuke is out of the lineup but ya for sure, we don't sink.


Edit: 21-24-3 in games Nichushkin didn't play over the last 2 seasons. 65-19-9 with Nichushkin in the lineup.


Yep, definitely not sinking!

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I know that won't be popular here on this board but I would send Annunen back down, call Provy back up and give him a few games in a row. The guy had only 2 bad games since we got him on waivers. He obviously just needed to play more often. He has played all the Eagles' games including B2Bs and he has been the best goalie in the AHL since he went down. He deserves another shot with the Avs. Use George as backup. F**ck him if that pisses him off. Be a professional and try to win your spot back instead of sulking.

 

[NateTheGreat]

Olofsson cleared to no one’s surprise. CMac really acquired our 2C and 4C for no assets and thought that was an acceptable solution going into a contending year.

With 5 games to go until the deadline he still hasn’t addressed anything and that’s with two of our top 3 wingers missing a significant portion of the season.

So much for not wanting to overplay our top guns in the regular season.

Usually bigger trades like ones for a real 2C have the framework already figured out or are done by now. Unless a miracle happens, I’m starting to believe that what we have is what we got.