At the same time, if he did nothing people would dump all over him just the same.
They took a shot and it didn't work but they didn't pay anything to acquire him. I really think CMakic get dumped on unfairly here because people are basically saying 'they should have been able to foresee that he couldn't skate anymore after a significant injury'.
They gambled and lost but every year there are GMs who gamble and lose while also spending significant assets to try and get better.
The Avs didn't do that so if they have to spend a 2nd to move him out, so be it but I think people should cut them a break.
They are one of the very few teams in the league that don't have a terrible long-term contract that they've had to dump on Arizona or another team and had to package assets to get rid of.
Some people want perfection even when they are getting well above average.
Yeah I kind of agree with this in some ways. I think the RyJo gamble was a fine gamble and even said as much at the time. If it worked, you're getting a 60 point 2C who steps up in the playoffs for literally nothing.
Obviously it had a significant chance to not work out as well, or else we wouldn't have gotten him with 50% retention for free.
It's too bad it hasn't worked but it was a legitimate attempt to find a solution. And like you said it didn't cost them anything to acquire, so if it does cost a 2nd to dump him it isn't a big deal IMO, just bite the bullet and do it to give us the proper flexibility for the next solution.
You misunderstood. I’m not saying dumping RyJo is a terrible trade, the initial trade to acquire him was terrible. I’m saying it’s not an excuse that they have other assets.
Now not only does he have to dump RyJo and pay to do so, but we are still at square one in rectifying the hole at 2C. The RyJo trade actually compounded the problem.
Well again I dont agree. The initial trade has worked out terribly... It absolutely wasn't a terrible deal at the time. It was a pretty smart gamble. If it worked out, we'd have a 60 point 2C for free signed at an extremely reasonable cap hit for 2 playoff runs.
Obviously it hasn't worked out and so its easy to say it was terrible but under the circumstances I would say it was a solid gamble at the time.
This is the crux of problem with the entire CMac tenure. Acquiring RyJo or doing nothing were not his only options in the summer. He choose to go the RyJo route because it costs them nothing to acquire him as opposed to paying premium assets for a better solution. Of course there’s no guarantee that would’ve worked either but you can respect the aggressiveness instead of going the cheap route which they have done every single year except the cup run.
I mean, what makes you think this is true? Look at the trades made last summer after the RyJo trade.
The only guys even remotely close to 2C caliber besides RyJo, were Kevin Hayes and PLD. Neither of which are having any sort of success on their new teams either and especially with PLD its pretty unlikely he actually wanted to join the Avs.
So it was basically RyJo or Hayes. That's it. Both of which are well below 2C number this year but RyJo had the much higher upside between the two and the much easier contract to move this summer now that they've both failed.
