Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[dahrougem2]

I just can’t picture a job where I won’t be able to do my work and browse here.

Try teaching

 

[the_fan]

Try teaching

No problem. I’d keep giving my class tests where they have to sit quietly and do them while I browse HF.

 

[Foppa2118]

Nice strawman, but nobody on this board wanted Eller, and nobody in their right mind wanted to spend a 2nd round pick so that they could get him retained. Well except one single person...

That's not a strawman. EIther you don't know what a strawman is, or you're making a bad faith accusation just because you disagree.

There are dozens of comments to this effect lately including in this conversation.

"He wasted a 2nd round pick on Lars f***ing Eller. That's how you can tell he's incompetent. If he truly wasn't going to spend assets because we were "decimated" with injury, why f***ing spend a 2nd?"

Every year there's comments exactly like the one I made. Upset that the Avs didn't trade for somebody at the deadline because he only cost a 2nd. Or during the season, because they didn't make a waiver claim for some fringe NHLer. Or they didn't trade for some backup goalie because they came cheap.

Not a chance in hell CMac's critics would have been ok with making no trades last year. Nor should they have. It's just another example that he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.

 

[The Moops]

That's not a strawman. EIther you don't know what a strawman is, or you're making a bad faith accusation just because you disagree.

There are dozens of comments to this effect lately including in this conversation.

"He wasted a 2nd round pick on Lars f***ing Eller. That's how you can tell he's incompetent. If he truly wasn't going to spend assets because we were "decimated" with injury, why f***ing spend a 2nd?"

Every year there's comments exactly like the one I made. Upset that the Avs didn't trade for somebody at the deadline because he only cost a 2nd. Or during the season, because they didn't make a waiver claim for some fringe NHLer. Or they didn't trade for some backup goalie because they came cheap.

Not a chance in hell CMac's critics would have been ok with making no trades last year. Nor should they have. It's just another example that he was damned if he did, and damned if he didn't.

You're the one making bad faith arguments. You think because he did "something" that we can't critique him. Assuming that we'd be mad either way.

The problem with that has been explained so many times now it's unreal. People want help that moves the needle. Eller doesn't, so it's a waste. We were better off not making that move because we had less ammo at the draft to secure a 2C in the off-season. Yes he would have been criticized for doing nothing last deadline too, so again: move the f***ing needle and get the core the help they need to win a cup.

We are in the middle of a contention window, things have to happen now or we're just pissing away the prime of the core.

 

[Foppa2118]

You're the one making bad faith arguments. You think because he did "something" that we can't critique him. Assuming that we'd be mad either way.

The problem with that has been explained so many times now it's unreal. People want help that moves the needle. Eller doesn't, so it's a waste. We were better off not making that move because we had less ammo at the draft to secure a 2C in the off-season. Yes he would have been criticized for doing nothing last deadline too, so again: move the f***ing needle and get the core the help they need to win a cup.

We are in the middle of a contention window, things have to happen now or we're just pissing away the prime of the core.

If you're tying to claim you would have been happier with CMac doing nothing last year, then trading a 2nd for Eller, that's just an outright lie, I'm sorry.

You would have been waaaay more critical. You would have been saying, "What kind of f***ing idiot wastes a year of this team by doing NOTHING at the deadline?????" And you would have been right.

And you know it's not true that a 2nd round pick was in any way the difference between trading for a 2C at the draft or not. Like they didn't have anything the equivalent of a 2nd, or couldn't trade for one?

What you're saying isn't even logically consistent.

You want him to go all in, trade whatever 1st round picks, prospects like Ritchie, and Bo Byram’s he needs to, which is fine that's your opinion, but suddenly you're upset he traded a 2nd round pick last year? When the Avs rarely find NHLers outside the top 10?

Come on man, that makes no sense.

 

[missionAvs]

No problem. I’d keep giving my class tests where they have to sit quietly and do them while I browse HF.

Yeah I'd maybe even assign a TA to browse the other parts of the forum for the latest news while I browse and spend my time on HFAvs.

 

[missionAvs]

If you're tying to claim you would have been happier with CMac doing nothing last year, then trading a 2nd for Eller, that's just an outright lie, I'm sorry.

You would have been waaaay more critical. You would have been saying, "What kind of f***ing idiot wastes a year of this team by doing NOTHING at the deadline?????" And you would have been right.

And you know it's not true that a 2nd round pick was in any way the difference between trading for a 2C at the draft or not. Like they didn't have anything the equivalent of a 2nd, or couldn't trade for one?

What you're saying isn't even logically consistent.

You want him to go all in, trade whatever 1st round picks, prospects like Ritchie, and Bo Byram’s he needs to, which is fine that's your opinion, but suddenly you're upset he traded a 2nd round pick last year? When the Avs rarely find NHLers outside the top 10?

Come on man, that makes no sense.

Haven't really been keeping up with this discussion but I don't believe this to be the case at all. There was like 3 scenarios in my mind as to what CMac could have done at last year's deadline that also extends to this one of course.

Option 1: Get legitimate help that actually makes a dent. (Best)

Option 2: Ride your team into the playoffs as currently contracted. (Terrible)

Option 3: Take a page out of years past and waste assets on useless players AKA Soda/Nemeth. (Beyond Terrible)

You can argue the merits of how I have laid out those 3 options and where I rank them with regards to how I'd feel about them but that was my opinion going into it. IMO CMac literally did about the worst thing he could have done. He somehow essentially took the regular season roster into the playoffs all while spending assets on a player that doesn't in any way shape or form really help us. I think that's what Moops is saying before me. Yeah I would have been pissed if he did nothing but I was even more pissed that he did nothing while spending trade/draft capital that could have been used for a legit asset.

 

[The Moops]

If you're tying to claim you would have been happier with CMac doing nothing last year, then trading a 2nd for Eller, that's just an outright lie, I'm sorry.

I said it was a better choice. I'm pissed either way because both are brainlet moves

You would have been waaaay more critical. You would have been saying, "What kind of f***ing idiot wastes a year of this team by doing NOTHING at the deadline?????" And you would have been right.

He wasted it either way

And you know it's not true that a 2nd round pick was in any way the difference between trading for a 2C at the draft or not. Like they didn't have anything the equivalent of a 2nd, or couldn't trade for one?

There's no way to know that

You want him to go all in, trade whatever 1st round picks, prospects like Ritchie, and Bo Byram’s he needs to, which is fine that's your opinion, but suddenly you're upset he traded a 2nd round pick last year? When the Avs rarely find NHLers outside the top 10?

I've never once said that. I'm fact I've said the opposite in regards to Byram and Ritchie.

Like I said it's about moving the needle. Doing morning doesn't, getting Eller doesn't either. That's why he's criticized.

He's getting criticized now because the apologetics last season said he wanted to get Henrique but he got injured a few weeks before the deadline. Again he we are waiting and hoping and praying that whoever our target is doesn't get hurt in the next 2 weeks

 

[dahrougem2]

Oh I'm firmly in the camp of not doing anything at all if the best you could do was a 2nd round pick for 4th liner Lars Eller. Just keep that 2nd instead.

 

[the_fan]

Yeah I'd maybe even assign a TA to browse the other parts of the forum for the latest news while I browse and spend my time on HFAvs.

Better yet, you can send the whole class to class trips with a TA, and have the whole classroom to yourself to sit and browse HF in peace

 

[missionAvs]

Better yet, you can send the whole class to class trips with a TA, and have the whole classroom to yourself to sit and browse HF in peace

I like that a lot actually.

 

[dahrougem2]

I like that a lot actually.

Both of you are hired as my TAs.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I do miss Nieto. We need to get the old gang back together.

Nieto
Eller
Kerfoot
Soderberg
Nemeth

Dark time brothers

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

NHL trade deadline bold predictions: One pick for all 32 teams

Juuse Saros to the Kings? Noah Hanifin to the Lightning? A surprise Rangers reunion? The Athletic staff makes its bold deadline predictions.

theathletic.com

Colorado Avalanche

They’ll trade for Alex Wennberg: Colorado’s biggest need is depth up the middle, and Wennberg is a strong two-way center who would bolster the Avalanche’s middle six. He kills penalties and can play tough minutes. He’s never reached 20 goals and has only eight this season, but perhaps joining Colorado’s high-powered attack would squeeze a little more offense out of his game. In a trade market without many center options, Wennberg could be one of the better players available for the Avalanche at the deadline. — Jesse Granger

That's great. Really f***ing great.

 

[the_fan]

So should we just get the disappointments out of the way now so we don’t have to be on March 8?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[MacKaRant]

NHL trade deadline bold predictions: One pick for all 32 teams

Juuse Saros to the Kings? Noah Hanifin to the Lightning? A surprise Rangers reunion? The Athletic staff makes its bold deadline predictions.

theathletic.com

That's great. Really f***ing great.

Henchy has been warning us for months.

 

[LOFIN]

 

[BobRossColton]

Dermy next?

 

[Muffin]

Dermy next?

Some GM will definitely give a pick for him.

 

[missionAvs]

Dermy next?

Please?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Either a move is coming, Nuke is close to returning, or simply they like Wagner better at 4C.

 

[forsbergavs32]

Either a move is coming, Nuke is close to returning, or simply they like Wagner better at 4C.

Or all 3!

 

[avalanche_country]

Either a move is coming, Nuke is close to returning, or simply they like Wagner better at 4C.

Likely the last option. Pretty exciting stuff

 

[AllAboutAvs]

I have no issues with people criticizing CMac and Sakic for that matter. Not all people will see a situation/outcome the same way. Everybody is entitled to their own opinion. People don't agree with the way the last TDL was handled...go at it and argue all you want. Discussions about past failures and successes are always worth the read when they stay civilized.

The issue I have is when people are calling for the GM's head when the TDL is not even passed yet and assuming that past actions (or lack of) dictates the future. Saying you think he will do nothing because of his lack of action last year is different than saying he will do nothing because of that same lack of action and therefore he should be fired. After the TDL no problems. Argue all you want about the lack of or wrong moves.

To me there is a big difference between saying "If CMac does this or that, or doesn't do this or that, he should be let go" and "CMac should be fired because he hasn't done anything yet" when the TDL was still five weeks away and is still 2 weeks away. The first one I can agree with the comment, the second not at all. Or saying "CMac is sitting on his hands and sleeping" when nobody has any idea what he does during the day. It is mind boggling especially when it has been proving many times that the Avs are very secret about what they do and their trades usually come from left field and nobody expected them. With that in mind, why not wait until the TDL comes before getting all worked up about something that has yet to happen or not. You want to discuss before the TDL about what should be done with CMac if this or that happens by the TDL, go ahead as that could be a good discussion but commenting he should be fired now is quite stupid IMO.

Most of the times it is in the delivery of the comments that is the issue. Often just phrasing the comment a little better would go a long way in keeping this place more civilized.

Anyway....just wanted to get this off my chest. Carry on.