Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Pokecheque]

maybe so but Zegras isn'teven playing and provides nothing g but a it of flash when he does No substance to his game.

Is he even coming back this year ? and if he does how long before he's hurt again.


Avs wouldn't do Ritchie for Zegras


oh I'm buckled hahaha

If the Ducks were willing to take Ritchie for Zegras straight-up and the Avs said no I'd want every single solitary member of that front office, Sakic included, fired.

You obviously haven't watched much of Zegras playing if all you can do is spout out the same narrative that gets passed around like its the truth.

 

[Alienblood]

If the Ducks were willing to take Ritchie for Zegras straight-up and the Avs said no I'd want every single solitary member of that front office, Sakic included, fired.

You obviously haven't watched much of Zegras playing if all you can do is spout out the same narrative that gets passed around like its the truth.

round the outside , round the outside, I've watched him enough. He's not even a C.

Edit: hmm you know there must be a reason the Ducks don't want him right ?

 

[Pokecheque]

round the outside , round the outside, I've watched him enough. He's not even a C.

Edit: hmm you know there must be a reason the Ducks don't want him right ?

Hmmmm you know there must have been a reason the Leafs didn't want Nazem Kadri, right?

Obviously there's risk, but if there wasn't these kinds of players wouldn't ever be available in the first place. And it has as much to do with the fact that the Ducks have MacTavish and now Carlsson than it has to do with any sort of issues with Zegras.

 

[Bender]

If you have a moment, check out the NYI board. They think Nelson is bringing back Ritchie in a trade.

While I do that, they may want to check with their GM who last I heard wanted to ADD and not sell because they were a veteran group or some other non-sense.

I don't know too many teams that are trading their best prospect for a 32 year old #2C but it doesn't matter what the fans of the NYI want. They could want 5 first round draft picks...they ain't gonna get it.

There are a lot of deals that could make sense for both teams but giving up Ritchie doesnt for the Avs.

 

[Alienblood]

Hmmmm you know there must have been a reason the Leafs didn't want Nazem Kadri, right?

Obviously there's risk, but if there wasn't these kinds of players wouldn't ever be available in the first place. And it has as much to do with the fact that the Ducks have MacTavish and now Carlsson than it has to do with any sort of issues with Zegras.

yeah he's not as good as those guys. He's not worth the risk of Ritchie

 

[Pokecheque]

yeah he's not as good as those guys. He's not worth the risk of Ritchie

Again, I don't believe you when you say you've seen him play.

And that's a no-brainer on my part, no matter how good Ritchie ends up being, because Ritchie is still at least two years away at best from helping any NHL club. The Avs need players NOW. But whatever, we are light years apart on this one.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

While I do that, they may want to check with their GM who last I heard wanted to ADD and not sell because they were a veteran group or some other non-sense.

I don't know too many teams that are trading their best prospect for a 32 year old #2C but it doesn't matter what the fans of the NYI want. They could want 5 first round draft picks...they ain't gonna get it.

There are a lot of deals that could make sense for both teams but giving up Ritchie doesnt for the Avs.

Agree. After all the Canucks didn't even give their best two prospects for Lindholm let alone one.

Yeah I love Ritchie but I would drive him to the airport if it gets me Zegras and I'm not even that big of a Zegras fan. The only way I trade Ritchie is for a long term solution at 2C and Zegras would be that even though he wouldn't be my first choice.

 

[Bender]

Agree. After all the Canucks didn't even give their best two prospects for Lindholm let alone one.

Yeah I love Ritchie but I would drive him to the airport if it gets me Zegras and I'm not even that big of a Zegras fan. The only way I trade Ritchie is for a long term solution at 2C and Zegras would be that even though he wouldn't be my first choice.

Ok let's say we do that but the Zegras that shows up for the Avs isn't necessarily the guy who put up back to back 60+ seasons but the guy who's put up 7 points in 20 games so far THIS season. Let's say he's the guy who shows up and then he's not putting forth the greatest effort defensively either and Bednar doesn't want to use him at center. Then what?

 

[Pokecheque]

Ok let's say we do that but the Zegras that shows up for the Avs isn't necessarily the guy who put up back to back 60+ seasons but the guy who's put up 7 points in 20 games so far THIS season. Let's say he's the guy who shows up and then he's not putting forth the greatest effort defensively either and Bednar doesn't want to use him at center. Then what?

Obviously it's a risk but there is no surefire 2C waiting out there for the Avs to snatch up. Zegras either ends up being an impact player who solves the 2C conundrum for years to come or he goes bust, there's not really any in between. Totally worth the risk IMO.

There were all kinds of red flags all over Kadri too if we all recall correctly. And he too had giant holes in his defensive game as well.

This is all a moot point because there is no way Anaheim would just take Ritchie and nothing else, there are teams that could and would offer up more than that.

 

[Alienblood]

Ok let's say we do that but the Zegras that shows up for the Avs isn't necessarily the guy who put up back to back 60+ seasons but the guy who's put up 7 points in 20 games so far THIS season. Let's say he's the guy who shows up and then he's not putting forth the greatest effort defensively either and Bednar doesn't want to use him at center. Then what?

Yes some don't see him as a C and there's a good chance Bednar wouldn't and he gets Newhooked . Then try and trade that contract

Obviously it's a risk but there is no surefire 2C waiting out there for the Avs to snatch up. Zegras either ends up being an impact player who solves the 2C conundrum for years to come or he goes bust, there's not really any in between. Totally worth the risk IMO.

There were all kinds of red flags all over Kadri too if we all recall correctly. And he too had giant holes in his defensive game as well.

This is all a moot point because there is no way Anaheim would just take Ritchie and nothing else, there are teams that could and would offer up more than that.

Are there ? I saw a Hutson and 2nd rumor and Habs fans were all for it but that's a pretty weak offer.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Ok let's say we do that but the Zegras that shows up for the Avs isn't necessarily the guy who put up back to back 60+ seasons but the guy who's put up 7 points in 20 games so far THIS season. Let's say he's the guy who shows up and then he's not putting forth the greatest effort defensively either and Bednar doesn't want to use him at center. Then what?

There always going to be risks. Heck most of this board wanted Lindholm (not me for the last few weeks before he got traded) and look how it is turning out for VAN. I think it is just a bad stretch for Zegras. However like I said he wouldn't be my first choice anyway. I believe way more in Mitts.

 

[EdAVSfan]

It’s the same dilemma and debate as always.

If a guy is playing well and exactly what you need, no one is willing to pay the exorbitant price.

On the other hand, if a guy is struggling, no one wants him even though he’s cheap.

If Zegras was performing, no one would want to pay his asking price. If the same Zegras is struggling, no one wants him even though he’s cheaper than before.

You have to take calculated risks.

 

[Pokecheque]

Yes some don't see him as a C and there's a good chance Bednar wouldn't and he gets Newhooked . Then try and trade that contract

He's got the skills to be an elite center. He's certainly not an elite skater but that doesn't really matter, he's miles better than Newhook could ever hope to be.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

look how it is turning out for VAN.

LOL. It hasn't even been 3 weeks since that deal. It takes time to add a new piece and figure out where they fit, and who plays well with who. They'll figure it out.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

LOL. It hasn't even been 3 weeks since that deal. It takes time to add a new piece and figure out where they fit, and who plays well with who. They'll figure it out.

Well I did say it was a small sample in another post. I would be more inclined to agree with you if the rest of Lindholm's season had been much better but right now it looks like much of the same.

 

[Pokecheque]

LOL. It hasn't even been 3 weeks since that deal. It takes time to add a new piece and figure out where they fit, and who plays well with who. They'll figure it out.

It's possible they won't. Vancouver has been a team riding the PDO train to an insane degree this year.

That said I certainly don't begrudge them making the move to acquire Lindholm. On paper it SHOULD work. Where I think they should be very cautious is extending him to a long-term deal.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Gross

 

[UncleRisto]

I got scared.

 

[Mighty Makar]

I need booze.

 

[BrickNHL]

eww wtf is that proposal lmao

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I got scared.

Sorry. Didn't mean to frighten you.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

If CMac made that trade I'd have to stop being an Avs fan until he was fired.

 

[Ararana]

Like I've said before, if they can't get an actual 2C don't move any assets - it's pointless. And Henrique is so far from a 2C it's laughable.

1st, 3rd, Ritchie and Behrens for two bum players? Jesus f***ing christ cMac would have to go into witness protection if he did that.

 

[Balthazar]

Henrique is so far from a 2C it's laughable.

He's not ideal but I do think he's underrated on this board. If we get him along with all the other missing pieces (goalie, RD, 4C) I won't be mad. Especially if we dump RyJo and keep Ritchie in the process.

 

[NateTheGreat]

We might be underrating how costly and difficult it will be to dump RyJo. What a colossal mistake it was to acquire him and hitch a cup contending to year to his play at 2C.