Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[ABasin]

None of this matters if Makar doesn't significantly improve his play.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Avs portion starts at 9:35, but if you want to skip two minutes of nonsense go to 11:40.

Elliotte doubles down on Colorado's interest in Bjugstad and Kerfoot.

We are ****** in other words.

 

[henchman21]

None of this matters if Makar doesn't significantly improve his play.

One more step to nihilism

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

I know it doesn't mean much.... But Vancouver fans, or some Vancouver fans at least, are warming up more and more to the idea of moving Pettersson and seemingly the possibility that he simply doesn't want to play in Vancouver is more of a possibility.


You almost dont want to commit to any high end 2C moves at the deadline right now if the possibility of EP not re-signing and pulling a Tkachuk this summer is legit.

Rantanen for Pettersson?

That's Crosby and Malkin level centers basically

 

[John Mandalorian]

I know it's a small sample but for those who wanted Lindholm he has now played 10 games with the Canucks. He has 4G 2A for 6 pts and +/- of -5. Two games he scored 2G in each which means he has only 2A in the other 8 games. He has been pointless in 6 games so far. They are 4-5-1 which include their current 4-game losing streak.

It is very possible we dodged a bullet.

And the Avs have Johansen. Jokes on them, right?

 

[hockeyfish]

Today's the day, I can feel it.

 

[Alienblood]

He mentioned that they want term w/ a first rounder going out. What’s the contract on those guys because we already know net year a lot of decision will have to be nade

she looks hard

Fire Bednar and bring in Bruce.

 

[The Moops]

Today's the day, I can feel it.

I'm going on vacation tonight so I'll be out of pocket for a week. They better not do something today, I have too much work to do

 

[the_fan]

This thing is getting to the point where it was funny a little bit, then it wasn't funny anymore, and now it's maybe funny again.

What if I’m not trying to be funny and really want those players on the Avs?

The Lightning already have a Raddysh and and Perbix. What makes you believe that they're not just 2 steps ahead of us with regards to the plan you mentioned?

Good point

 

[the_fan]

If we get Kerfoot to be the 2C, I might just be done with this team for good

 

[AllAboutAvs]

And the Avs have Johansen. Jokes on them, right?

Obviously I was strickly talking about Lindholm there. In no way I was insinuating that we were better off with Ryjo than Lindholm. With that said looking at Lindholm season and especially his time with the Canucks right now I would prefer getting Henrique if we can't get a guy like Mitts, Nelson, Zegras, etc.

 

[Alienblood]

None of this matters if Makar doesn't significantly improve his play.

or if Landy and Nuke don't return

 

[chet1926]

I know it's a small sample but for those who wanted Lindholm he has now played 10 games with the Canucks. He has 4G 2A for 6 pts and +/- of -5. Two games he scored 2G in each which means he has only 2A in the other 8 games. He has been pointless in 6 games so far. They are 4-5-1 which include their current 4-game losing streak.

It is very possible we dodged a bullet.

Not sure about that, .6 pts/game is almost double anything RyJo has done this year. For reference RyJo has 4pts in his last 10. And the 10 before that was 3pts.

 

[Pokecheque]

Vancouver has also lost four straight. Meanwhile, Flames haven’t looked so bad since the trade…

 

[AllAboutAvs]

Not sure about that, .6 pts/game is almost double anything RyJo has done this year. For reference RyJo has 4pts in his last 10. And the 10 before that was 3pts.

Never said we were better off with Ryjo. See my last post (2 posts above yours) for clarification.

 

[Pokecheque]

Not sure about that, .6 pts/game is almost double anything RyJo has done this year. For reference RyJo has 4pts in his last 10. And the 10 before that was 3pts.

So it makes sense to give up a first rounder and good prospect for a guy who still doesn’t move the needle? Just because he’s better than Johansen???

 

[henchman21]

I’d be wary of signing Lindholm to a long term deal, but there is zero doubt he’d drastically improve this team.

 

[the_fan]

Maybe Avs really think Colton is the 2C, they get Kerfoot to be the 3C, in which case we can just forget about a long playoff run. I wouldn’t mind Bjugstad. He’d be a good 4C option but please no Kerfoot

 

[henchman21]

So it makes sense to give up a first rounder and good prospect for a guy who still doesn’t move the needle? Just because he’s better than Johansen???

Lindholm would push the Avs to that top tier of the west. Not clearly ahead of anybody, but they could matchup well enough with nearly all the teams in the west. Probably have to get someone in net and some depth.

So for that… yeah 1st and a good prospect is worth it.

 

[ABasin]

or if Landy and Nuke don't return

We've talked this thing to death, but I have no expectation that Landeskog will return. Or that if he does, he'll be close to the same player. It's my opinion that if he does come back, it'll be maybe for some playoff games this season, and then it'll be over.

And no, I'm not an orthopedic knee surgeon, so please don't ask. Just a dude with an opinion, like everyone else.

But back to my original post, this fan base has been giving Johansen and Rantanen a pretty good heaping of crap for their lackluster play (and rightly so). But for some reason, Makar has been getting a pass. Makar has been generally lousy defensively all season long, and now he's just plain playing bad hockey. I don't expect players to play 82 great hockey games in a season, so it's not panic mode or anything. But if they somehow get Mittelstadt to play 2C - and Makar continues to play this way - the Avs are going to be first round fodder anyway.

 

[Avs9296]

None of this matters if Makar doesn't significantly improve his play.

Yep. And Rantanen needs to flip a switch come playoff time. The effort level and defense need to improve a lot come playoff time.

Basically all these things need to happen in the playoffs for us to have a chance

Makar plays up to his ability
Rantanen cranks up the intensity
Nuke is back and stays in the lineup
We grab a proper 2C
*Landy comes back and contributes at a 2nd line level (this may not be necessary but would be huge)

Some of those are likely, some are less likely. If all those don't fall into place I find it hard to see us winning the cup or even getting to the conference finals.

 

[Alienblood]

We've talked this thing to death, but I have no expectation that Landeskog will return. Or that if he does, he'll be close to the same player. It's my opinion that if he does come back, it'll be maybe for some playoff games this season, and then it'll be over.

And no, I'm not an orthopedic knee surgeon, so please don't ask. Just a dude with an opinion, like everyone else.

But back to my original post, this fan base has been giving Johansen and Rantanen a pretty good heaping of crap for their lackluster play (and rightly so). But for some reason, Makar has been getting a pass. Makar has been generally lousy defensively all season long, and now he's just plain playing bad hockey. I don't expect players to play 82 great hockey games in a season, so it's not panic mode or anything. But if they somehow get Mittelstadt to play 2C - and Makar continues to play this way - the Avs are going to be first round fodder anyway.

I think.Landy should wait.until.next.year but for the rest I totally agree.

Makar isn't getting a pass from.me., he's been awful. His defensive game is bad and is why Toews is stuck.to his hip. L8ke toy.day if he doesn't improve his play it doesn't matter anyway.

I'm also.not sold on Mitts really. I think.it would be more prudent to.just grab Henrique.

 

[henchman21]

I think.Landy should wait.until.next.year but for the rest I totally agree.

Makar isn't getting a pass from.me., he's been awful. His defensive game is bad and is why Toews is stuck.to his hip. L8ke toy.day if he doesn't improve his play it doesn't matter anyway.

I'm also.not sold on Mitts really. I think.it would be more prudent to.just grab Henrique.

Henrique is likely to cost around a 1st. Maybe you slide by with 2nd and good prospect. Mitts (and Zegras) both represent a long term solution. The Avs should be working towards that.

 

[missionAvs]

Henrique is likely to cost around a 1st. Maybe you slide by with 2nd and good prospect. Mitts (and Zegras) both represent a long term solution. The Avs should be working towards that.

Agreed. The guy I'm really sold on is Fatty. I don't know why but I'm just not feeling it with Zegras. The guy just seems all flash with not much substance. Don't get me wrong, I like the player but I just don't know if I see a long term 2C there.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Obviously I was strickly talking about Lindholm there. In no way I was insinuating that we were better off with Ryjo than Lindholm. With that said looking at Lindholm season and especially his time with the Canucks right now I would prefer getting Henrique if we can't get a guy like Mitts, Nelson, Zegras, etc.

Everyone you're mentioning, including Henrique, is borderline head in the clouds.

What makes you think MacFarland is willing to pull the trigger on any of them vs talk himself out of it because the ask is too great?

And he wouldn't normally be wrong but hes already botched the roster with Johansen and has realized its going to cost a 1st or a 2nd to dump Johansen (depending on when/how much salary is left). Essentially he's realizing the cost for Johansen was a 1st or a 2nd. And now he has to pay additionally to replace Johansen.

And this is MacFarland you're talking about. This is a guy who settled for Eller and Johansen because he didnt want to pay much. And now he's going to change his stripes?

If the Avs pay a 2nd to dump Johansen and then a 1st to acquire Henrique, that essentially means the Avs paid a 1st and a 2nd for Henrique.

It really shouldnt be a surprise that MacFarland isn't quite there when it comes to fixing his mistake.