Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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Yep. And Rantanen needs to flip a switch come playoff time. The effort level and defense need to improve a lot come playoff time.

Basically all these things need to happen in the playoffs for us to have a chance

Makar plays up to his ability
Rantanen cranks up the intensity
Nuke is back and stays in the lineup
We grab a proper 2C
*Landy comes back and contributes at a 2nd line level (this may not be necessary but would be huge)

Some of those are likely, some are less likely. If all those don't fall into place I find it hard to see us winning the cup or even getting to the conference finals.
Makar, Mikko, Nuke will probably happen. I just don’t see a proper 2C option unless CMac makes a big trade for one, but that’s more of a offseason move if it happens. They probably just gonna make a depth move or 2, more like a cheaper 3 and 4C and a back up goalie at the trade deadline.l, and Landy coming back and playing 2nd line level is questionable. May or may not happen.
 

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Henrique is likely to cost around a 1st. Maybe you slide by with 2nd and good prospect. Mitts (and Zegras) both represent a long term solution. The Avs should be working towards that.
Henrique is arguably the better player right now and Ritchie may present a higher upside for the future.

I don't think we should trade Ritchie for Zegras or Mitts
 

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Henrique is arguably the better player right now and Ritchie may present a higher upside for the future.

I don't think we should trade Ritchie for Zegras or Mitts

Mitts is by far the better player than Henrique today. Zegras has his warts, but also a better player with much higher upside than anybody, including Ritchie. You probably also don't have to trade Ritchie in any of those deals.

People are going a little wild with Ritchie hype since January. People should really look into most OHL centers of similar caliber and how they have transitioned over the last 10-15 years. I can list off many names that people will think are meh or bad players who were more dominant than Ritchie is today... that doesn't mean Ritchie won't be better or won't be good. Just this idea that he's a sure thing high end NHL player is way off base.
 

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Everyone you're mentioning, including Henrique, is borderline head in the clouds.

What makes you think MacFarland is willing to pull the trigger on any of them vs talk himself out of it because the ask is too great?

And he wouldn't normally be wrong but hes already botched the roster with Johansen and has realized its going to cost a 1st or a 2nd to dump Johansen (depending on when/how much salary is left). Essentially he's realizing the cost for Johansen was a 1st or a 2nd. And now he has to pay additionally to replace Johansen.

And this is MacFarland you're talking about. This is a guy who settled for Eller and Johansen because he didnt want to pay much. And now he's going to change his stripes?

If the Avs pay a 2nd to dump Johansen and then a 1st to acquire Henrique, that essentially means the Avs paid a 1st and a 2nd for Henrique.

It really shouldnt be a surprise that MacFarland isn't quite there when it comes to fixing his mistake.
BUF's AGM scouting the Avs for at least three games in a row (and possibly yeserday...there was no report on who was there) makes me think he is willing to pull the trigger.

My first choice is not Henrique. Mitts, Nelson, Zegras are my preferences and I believe they could be had without giving up Ritchie.
 

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Henrique is arguably the better player right now and Ritchie may present a higher upside for the future.

I don't think we should trade Ritchie for Zegras or Mitts

True. We should hold onto Ritchie until he’s an explodes into the league as a borderline 3/4th liner in 3-4 years, just in time for Mack and Rants to be well out of their prime. It will be a treat watching the Avs tread water and fight for the wild card spot. Definitely worth holding onto Ritchie for that timeline to play out.
 
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Wasn't that long ago folks were certain Newhook would fill the 2C spot.
And before that Jost was ROR 2.0.

Now let me state very clearly, I think Ritchie is a better prospect than either of them. Even prior to them being drafted (my history is pretty clear on this). I think Ritchie has a solid shot at being a 2C and by the time he's in the middle of his prime I think he will be one. I'm not sure he's going to be a high end one or one where he's on the right timeframe for the Avs. He's got some Strome in his game and coaches hate that... like Strome he is also clearly talented (though he isn't as purely talented as Strome). I think +5 or +6 is really where the expectation should be. Signs will be there a season or two before, but the ironing out of his issues will take some time. Will the Avs be patient enough to see that through? That is the big question I see with Ritchie.
 

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Mitts is by far the better player than Henrique today. Zegras has his warts, but also a better player with much higher upside than anybody, including Ritchie. You probably also don't have to trade Ritchie in any of those deals.

People are going a little wild with Ritchie hype since January. People should really look into most OHL centers of similar caliber and how they have transitioned over the last 10-15 years. I can list off many names that people will think are meh or bad players who were more dominant than Ritchie is today... that doesn't mean Ritchie won't be better or won't be good. Just this idea that he's a sure thing high end NHL player is way off base.
Absolutely, there are rarely any guarantees. Even players selected with Top-5 picks end up busting like Galchenyuk and Yakupov so in that sense, there are never any guarantees.

But the Avs have been so bad at drafting for soooo long, that they've seemingly maybe hit on a late first round pick for the first time since Marc Denis? in 1995? I mean, it's about frikkin' time and I feel like it's our turn to have finally made a good pick that seems like he's trending in the right direction.

Personally, I feel like the Avs should be happy with that guy and keep him but at the same time, still try to go out there and win the Cup. Whether that means Mitts, Zegras or Nelson or whatever, they should definitely do that.

They should break with their 'tradition' of thinking "this guy is just 1 year away from being a cheap #2C on entry level" like they did when they thought Jost would do that and then followed by Newhook and make the right decisions for right now. That's one of the reasons why I like the addition of Nelson so much is because he gives you 2 cup runs and then you can see what you have with a young kid like Ritchie.
 

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Absolutely, there are rarely any guarantees. Even players selected with Top-5 picks end up busting like Galchenyuk and Yakupov so in that sense, there are never any guarantees.

But the Avs have been so bad at drafting for soooo long, that they've seemingly maybe hit on a late first round pick for the first time since Marc Denis? in 1995? I mean, it's about frikkin' time and I feel like it's our turn to have finally made a good pick that seems like he's trending in the right direction.

Personally, I feel like the Avs should be happy with that guy and keep him but at the same time, still try to go out there and win the Cup. Whether that means Mitts, Zegras or Nelson or whatever, they should definitely do that.

They should break with their 'tradition' of thinking "this guy is just 1 year away from being a cheap #2C on entry level" like they did when they thought Jost would do that and then followed by Newhook and make the right decisions for right now. That's one of the reasons why I like the addition of Nelson so much is because he gives you 2 cup runs and then you can see what you have with a young kid like Ritchie.

If you have a moment, check out the NYI board. They think Nelson is bringing back Ritchie in a trade.
 
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Absolutely, there are rarely any guarantees. Even players selected with Top-5 picks end up busting like Galchenyuk and Yakupov so in that sense, there are never any guarantees.

But the Avs have been so bad at drafting for soooo long, that they've seemingly maybe hit on a late first round pick for the first time since Marc Denis? in 1995? I mean, it's about frikkin' time and I feel like it's our turn to have finally made a good pick that seems like he's trending in the right direction.

Personally, I feel like the Avs should be happy with that guy and keep him but at the same time, still try to go out there and win the Cup. Whether that means Mitts, Zegras or Nelson or whatever, they should definitely do that.

They should break with their 'tradition' of thinking "this guy is just 1 year away from being a cheap #2C on entry level" like they did when they thought Jost would do that and then followed by Newhook and make the right decisions for right now. That's one of the reasons why I like the addition of Nelson so much is because he gives you 2 cup runs and then you can see what you have with a young kid like Ritchie.
The seemingly is kinda the big part here. He’s playing at a level close or slight below guys like Frost, McMichael, Fischer, Domi, Fabbri, etc. and significantly below guys like Rossi, Strome, Dvorak, etc. The very best of that group is Strome and would people really be happy with Strome? What about Dvorak?

I know he’s played very well over the last 6 weeks, but none of it means or shows he’s guaranteed to even be a 2C at all or one that is ready anytime soon. Ideally, yeah you hold on to him, but if you can get a guy that helps this season and another couple or few… it should be Avery easy move.
 

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Mitts is by far the better player than Henrique today. Zegras has his warts, but also a better player with much higher upside than anybody, including Ritchie. You probably also don't have to trade Ritchie in any of those deals.

People are going a little wild with Ritchie hype since January. People should really look into most OHL centers of similar caliber and how they have transitioned over the last 10-15 years. I can list off many names that people will think are meh or bad players who were more dominant than Ritchie is today... that doesn't mean Ritchie won't be better or won't be good. Just this idea that he's a sure thing high end NHL player is way off base.
maybe so buy Mitts is getting iverated a bit too. He isn't a high end player himself. He may be better than Henrique but not sure if he I'd anything special ad a longterm 2 C.

I'm not as worried about the window and winning this year. More interested in the next couple years. The way Makar and Rantanen are playing and with this goaltending and with the Landy /Nuke stuff I don't believe this is the year.
 
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True. We should hold onto Ritchie until he’s an explodes into the league as a borderline 3/4th liner in 3-4 years, just in time for Mack and Rants to be well out of their prime. It will be a treat watching the Avs tread water and fight for the wild card spot. Definitely worth holding onto Ritchie for that timeline to play out.
Do you think Zegras is the difference in winning it all this year ?

With the way Makar is playing he might not even be available for the playoffs, he looks cooked

edit: We'd probably get more out of Ritchie at seasons end then Zegras.
 

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Would be great if we could do Byram+ for Pulock and then move Ritchie+Manson+ for a good young 2C.

To NYI
Byram
RyJo
2025 first
Meyers

To Col
Pulcok

To BUF
Manson
Ritchie
2024 first

To Col
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EJ
 

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Lindholm would push the Avs to that top tier of the west. Not clearly ahead of anybody, but they could matchup well enough with nearly all the teams in the west. Probably have to get someone in net and some depth.

So for that… yeah 1st and a good prospect is worth it.

I don't agree. Not the way he's playing right now. If we're talking two years ago, hell yes. Not now.
 
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Would be great if we could do Byram+ for Pulock and then move Ritchie+Manson+ for a good young 2C.

To NYI
Byram
RyJo
2025 first
Meyers

To Col
Pulcok

To BUF
Manson
Ritchie
2024 first

To Col
Mittelstadt
EJ

Manson has a NTC until June. Then its a MNTC.
 

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Do you think Zegras is the difference in winning it all this year ?

With the way Makar is playing he might not even be available for the playoffs, he looks cooked

edit: We'd probably get more out of Ritchie at seasons end then Zegras.

Buckle your chin strap. An angry mob is about to come after you.
 
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If the Avs offered Ritchie for Zegras Verbeek couldn't do that deal quick enough
He would ask for more for sure. But my point was with regard to this playoffs run. Ritchie has proven nothing yet to show he would be better than Zegras in a couple of months. You could maybe argue for sometimes in the 2nd part of next season (still too early IMO) but this season...like I said that is quite the take.
 
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Would be great if we could do Byram+ for Pulock and then move Ritchie+Manson+ for a good young 2C.

To NYI
Byram
RyJo
2025 first
Meyers

To Col
Pulcok

To BUF
Manson
Ritchie
2024 first

To Col
Mittelstadt
EJ
We can't afford to lose 2 Dmen. That would just be creating a hole, while filling a different one. EJ can't play top 4 anymore.
 
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I'm a big Ritchie fan but this is quite the take.
maybe so but Zegras isn'teven playing and provides nothing g but a it of flash when he does No substance to his game.

Is he even coming back this year ? and if he does how long before he's hurt again.

He would ask for more for sure. But my point was with regard to this playoffs run. Ritchie has proven nothing yet to show he would be better than Zegras in a couple of months. You could maybe argue for sometimes in the 2nd part of next season (still too early IMO) but this season...like I said that is quite the take.
Avs wouldn't do Ritchie for Zegras

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oh I'm buckled hahaha
 

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Ritchie probably isn't going to be a difference maker for a good 2 years at least. Not saying we should trade him, but expecting him to step up and be 2C next season is foolhardy at best
 

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The Avs aren't just a 2C away , they are Landy, Nuke a 2C , a bottom pairing D, a Goalie and a 4C, and better play from Makar and Rantanen.

That seems like an awful lot to me.

More than trading your best prospect for a mediocre 2C
 
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