Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Pokecheque]

Honestly their biggest mistake was probably getting rid of Ken Hitchcock. There was a coach who was almost tailor-made to lead that particular franchise. They didn't realize until later that Steve Mason wasn't actually a legit starting goaltender IIRC.

Not making excuses for MacLean, Howson, and Kekalainen because they were all uproariously bad general managers, but they aren't, nor is Davidson the main culprit here. When there's this much turnover and the same results keep reappearing, it's ultimately on ownership. Trust me, I'm a Rockies fan, I know a shitty owner when I see one.

 

[MacKaRant]

Lol keep going john davidson, you're clearly a top notch executive who's been there forever and a consistent bottom-dweller and rebuilder. You sure know what you're doing!

Keep going, johnny boy - it's clearly working.

I love this. You could include his records from past stops as well and you'd get a similar picture. Truly the Mike "I can't believe I've fooled another owner" Milbury of the 21st century.

 

[Pokecheque]

I don't see the issue with them keeping Boone Jenner. He's a good player signed to a reasonably good cap hit, and best of all, he wants to stay. Damn straight you hold onto a guy like that when so many others wanted out. Same with Werenski.

Now he'd better get to work on jettisoning the players who DO want out (Elvis) and quick.

 

[sethro109]

I refuse to believe it. Just keep calling and pestering him until he cracks and send us Boone.

 

[henchman21]

Lol keep going john davidson, you're clearly a top notch executive who's been there forever and a consistent bottom-dweller and rebuilder. You sure know what you're doing!

Honestly, he's SUCH a moron. Another former goaltender, turned broadcaster (for the Rangers for a long-time) who someone decided was going to be a great GM/president when all he's ever done was prove he's no better than garth snow.

Circumstances - mostly the scarcity of other centers actually available - have made it so at this particular time, teams would be ready to pay a premium to acquire a guy like Boone Jenner. If there were 4-5 other good centers who were on non-contenders about to become UFAs, then no one is paying nearly as much for this guy than they would right now.

But he is too stupid to recognize this and is going to hang on to him because Boone is the only one who can 'mentor' the young players... not the rest of the garbage vets that he decided to bring on-board to continue to be a losing organization. He cannot and has never showed the ability to build a decent hockey team that can make the playoffs consistently... it's a frikkin' miracle that he's still employed by ANYONE.

The owner must really not give a shit because jesus christ, WTF is this :

2000-01	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Dave King	Out of Playoffs
2001-02	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Dave King	Out of Playoffs
2002-03	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	King, MacLean {+}	Out of Playoffs
2003-04	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	MacLean, Gallant {+}	Out of Playoffs
2005-06	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Gerard Gallant	Out of Playoffs
2006-07	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Gallant, Agnew, Hitchcock {+}	Out of Playoffs
2007-08	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Ken Hitchcock	Out of Playoffs
2008-09	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Ken Hitchcock	Lost in round 1
2009-10	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Hitchcock, Noel {+}	Out of Playoffs
2010-11	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Scott Arniel	Out of Playoffs
2011-12	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Arniel, Richards {+}	Out of Playoffs
2012-13	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Todd Richards	Out of Playoffs
2013-14	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Todd Richards	Lost in round 1
2014-15	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Todd Richards	Out of Playoffs
2015-16	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Richards, Tortorella {+}	Out of Playoffs
2016-17	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	John Tortorella	Lost in round 1
2017-18	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	John Tortorella	Lost in round 1
2018-19	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	John Tortorella	Lost in round 2
2019-20	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	John Tortorella	Lost in round 1
2020-21	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	John Tortorella	Out of Playoffs
2021-22	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Brad Larsen	Out of Playoffs
2022-23	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Brad Larsen	Out of Playoffs
2023-24	Columbus Blue Jackets	NHL	Pascal Vincent	Out of Playoffs

Keep going, johnny boy - it's clearly working.

Davidson joined Columbus for the 12-13 season had his brief stint away in 19-20 and 20-21. You could easily make the argument that those two seasons away sparked this current downfall... and that Columbus' only success is really with Davidson there. In his 10 seasons there, they made the playoffs 4 times including their only playoff round win. In his 13 seasons away, they only made the playoffs twice and one of those was an extension of the teams he helped build. The only real success Columbus has had is with Davidson around. Columbus is just a hard market with a very budget conscious owner that relies on playoff revenue to even have a chance of breaking even.

His rebuild of the Blues set in motion a consistent playoff team that was on the cusp of being a perennial playoff team. His rebuild of Columbus lead to a perennial playoff team until he left. The moves Gorton and Davidson made with the Rangers starting that summer set in motion their build to a contending team. In short order that team gained Panarin, Trouba, and drafted at 4 NHLers in his two seasons (I'd say odds are closer to 6 coming out of those drafts). Now he certainly missed and the team didn't take the step before ownership got impatient. But the basis Drury has build from is from Gorton and Davidson.

I think the best argument against Davidson isn't that he can't build a playoff team... it is his teams cannot take the next steps.

I'm not saying he's the greatest front office guy ever... but his track record is of a guy who can guide a team through a rebuild consistently and get them back into the playoffs. After that, is where his troubles lie.

He's hardly new. He's been there the whole time with Jarmo every step of the way. He needed to dump Jarmo though because after the moves they made last summer -> getting Provorov and Severson and the Babcock fiasco, someone had to take the blame for them being somehow just as bad as the year before.

I'll add this - IF Jenner actually said that he wants to stay (and that's a big IF because I'm not convinced I can trust anything that fat bastard davidson says) then it's probably for the best the Avs don't even trade for him at all and switch to someone like Mittlestadt who is apparently - actually available.

The reason I say that is if I'm Jenner and I've been through that kind of crap since 2013 and he still doesn't mind staying there, then I question his competitiveness and ultimate desire to win a Stanley Cup. That team will not be in a position to contend by the time his current contract is up. I get wanting 'to be part of the solution' but sometimes timing is everything and nothing says he couldn't go back there after his current contract is done. It's like Gaudreau and choosing Columbus that left most people scratching their heads... we were like - really? But then when you think back to 'johnny hockey' and his play in the playoffs, you start to make connections and say - ah yeah, ok I get it - Columbus.

The exact same thing could have been said when the Landy rumors were flying in 2017. He was in his 6th season of overall not much success (only 1 playoff appearance)... and Landy was clear in him wanting to be a part of the solution. That was cheered here.

 

[The Abusement Park]

He's hardly new. He's been there the whole time with Jarmo every step of the way. He needed to dump Jarmo though because after the moves they made last summer -> getting Provorov and Severson and the Babcock fiasco, someone had to take the blame for them being somehow just as bad as the year before.

I'll add this - IF Jenner actually said that he wants to stay (and that's a big IF because I'm not convinced I can trust anything that fat bastard davidson says) then it's probably for the best the Avs don't even trade for him at all and switch to someone like Mittlestadt who is apparently - actually available.

The reason I say that is if I'm Jenner and I've been through that kind of crap since 2013 and he still doesn't mind staying there, then I question his competitiveness and ultimate desire to win a Stanley Cup. That team will not be in a position to contend by the time his current contract is up. I get wanting 'to be part of the solution' but sometimes timing is everything and nothing says he couldn't go back there after his current contract is done. It's like Gaudreau and choosing Columbus that left most people scratching their heads... we were like - really? But then when you think back to 'johnny hockey' and his play in the playoffs, you start to make connections and say - ah yeah, ok I get it - Columbus.

You mean like Landy during the 16/17 season…?

 

[Pokecheque]

I remember when the rebuild was looming during the Season We Shall Not Mention By Name, and both Johnson and Landeskog wanted to stay, Duchene opted to leave. I still don't begrudge Duchene one bit but I'm all the more appreciative of EJ and Landy because of that.

 

[PAZ]

I don't see the issue with them keeping Boone Jenner. He's a good player signed to a reasonably good cap hit, and best of all, he wants to stay. Damn straight you hold onto a guy like that when so many others wanted out. Same with Werenski.

Now he'd better get to work on jettisoning the players who DO want out (Elvis) and quick.

It's bizarre to me that Elvis wants out, they've identified Tarasov as their future in the net (at least in the short-term), and they're actively sabotaging Elvis' trade value and options by playing him less.

 

[sethro109]

I don't subscribe, but going by the headline. Are the Jackets trying to steal Cmac? If so, how can I help them?

 

[henchman21]

I remember when the rebuild was looming during the Season We Shall Not Mention By Name, and both Johnson and Landeskog wanted to stay, Duchene opted to leave. I still don't begrudge Duchene one bit but I'm all the more appreciative of EJ and Landy because of that.

EJ is actually probably more similar to Jenner too

 

[JLo217]

They can have him back

 

[Pokecheque]

It's bizarre to me that Elvis wants out, they've identified Tarasov as their future in the net (at least in the short-term), and they're actively sabotaging Elvis' trade value and options by playing him less.

I'm kinda surprised you find that bizarre. Especially in light of the death of his teammate and closest friend that literally happened right in front of him and is closely tied with the organization, and has obviously taken a huge toll on him both on and off the ice. That guy needs a fresh start in the worst possible way.

As for how they handled the "Tarasov is our future" thing, yes, that was pure, gross incompetence on Vincent's part there, and IMO looking back, it appeared to have caught Jarmo unawares.

IMO it's Jett Greaves who's the true goalie of the future. No idea about Nolan Lalonde who's in Junior and signed to an ELC.

 

[avalanche_country]

I don't subscribe, but going by the headline. Are the Jackets trying to steal Cmac? If so, how can I help them?

Cmac is on his list. Not sure about android but if you open that site on an iPhone then click show reader Aa you can read everything without a subscription.

 

[Bender]

Davidson joined Columbus for the 12-13 season had his brief stint away in 19-20 and 20-21. You could easily make the argument that those two seasons away sparked this current downfall... and that Columbus' only success is really with Davidson there. In his 10 seasons there, they made the playoffs 4 times including their only playoff round win. In his 13 seasons away, they only made the playoffs twice and one of those was an extension of the teams he helped build. The only real success Columbus has had is with Davidson around. Columbus is just a hard market with a very budget conscious owner that relies on playoff revenue to even have a chance of breaking even.

His rebuild of the Blues set in motion a consistent playoff team that was on the cusp of being a perennial playoff team. His rebuild of Columbus lead to a perennial playoff team until he left. The moves Gorton and Davidson made with the Rangers starting that summer set in motion their build to a contending team. In short order that team gained Panarin, Trouba, and drafted at 4 NHLers in his two seasons (I'd say odds are closer to 6 coming out of those drafts). Now he certainly missed and the team didn't take the step before ownership got impatient. But the basis Drury has build from is from Gorton and Davidson.

I think the best argument against Davidson isn't that he can't build a playoff team... it is his teams cannot take the next steps.

I'm not saying he's the greatest front office guy ever... but his track record is of a guy who can guide a team through a rebuild consistently and get them back into the playoffs. After that, is where his troubles lie.



The exact same thing could have been said when the Landy rumors were flying in 2017. He was in his 6th season of overall not much success (only 1 playoff appearance)... and Landy was clear in him wanting to be a part of the solution. That was cheered here.

To be fair, that's not saying much when you can rebuild a franchise to maybe be a playoff team - that should be the basis to getting yourself fired. Not good enough, not NEARLY good enough.

As for the Landy part, I think there's a difference between a guy who was still only 25 years old and Jenner who is 30 years old, in his 11th season - headed for a last place finish and at the beginning of a rebuild (again). Does anyone think that Columbus has the pieces to be a playoff team next season? I don't. Maybe they'll get Celebrini and they'll be better but odds are that it's going to take time and more picks and prospects before they are ready to make some noise.

 

[Avs44]

I don't subscribe, but going by the headline. Are the Jackets trying to steal Cmac? If so, how can I help them?

They mention CMac as a bold but unlikely possibility. Say that "they’d have to create a new title to lure him away from his current job as GM of the Colorado Avalanche."

So...if you actually want CMac gone, start coming up with some alluring hypothetical title names for CMac's stupendous new gig in CBJ and submit them to Davidson?

 

[Alienblood]

Davidson just said on Sportsnet that Jenner told him he doesn't want to go anywhere else, wants to stay and be part of the solution.Davidson: Jackets getting calls on Jenner, but he's 'not going anywhere'

Davidson: Jackets getting calls on Jenner, but he's 'not going anywhere'

Columbus Blue Jackets interim general manager John Davidson has no intention of moving Boone Jenner ahead of the March 8 deadline."I'm being very transparent," Davidson said during an appearance on "The Jeff Marek Show" Friday. "We get a lot of calls on Boone, but Boone's not going anywhere, and...

www.thescore.com

 

[sethro109]

Cmac is on his list. Not sure about android but if you open that site on an iPhone then click show reader Aa you can read everything without a subscription.

Wow, I did not know this was a thing. I just tried it on Windows with Firefox and it works.

They mention CMac as a bold but unlikely possibility. Say that "they’d have to create a new title to lure him away from his current job as GM of the Colorado Avalanche."

So...if you actually want CMac gone, start coming up with some alluring hypothetical title names for CMac's stupendous new gig in CBJ and submit them to Davidson?

Cmac Columbus overseer of hockey operations. Get it done Jackets!

 

[AvalancheSpeedsters]

I don't subscribe, but going by the headline. Are the Jackets trying to steal Cmac? If so, how can I help them?

I knew he reminded me of someone

Skinner / Sakic
Superintendent = HFavs

DID THAT BOY SAY "WHAT'S A Second line center?"
NO. HE SAID "WHAT'S THAT RATTLE?"

 

[henchman21]

To be fair, that's not saying much when you can rebuild a franchise to maybe be a playoff team - that should be the basis to getting yourself fired. Not good enough, not NEARLY good enough.

As for the Landy part, I think there's a difference between a guy who was still only 25 years old and Jenner who is 30 years old, in his 11th season - headed for a last place finish and at the beginning of a rebuild (again). Does anyone think that Columbus has the pieces to be a playoff team next season? I don't. Maybe they'll get Celebrini and they'll be better but odds are that it's going to take time and more picks and prospects before they are ready to make some noise.

Many GMs cannot get to that level and in a market like Columbus it is really difficult. We should know with the post Pierre run here.

EJ was roughly in the same range as Jenner and Jenner has had more success.

Wow, I did not know this was a thing. I just tried it on Windows with Firefox and it works.


Cmac Columbus overseer of hockey operations. Get it done Jackets!

Works with a lot of paywalls

 

[BrickNHL]

They mention CMac as a bold but unlikely possibility. Say that "they’d have to create a new title to lure him away from his current job as GM of the Colorado Avalanche."

So...if you actually want CMac gone, start coming up with some alluring hypothetical title names for CMac's stupendous new gig in CBJ and submit them to Davidson?

Alright boys, time to get to work. Let's stop wasting time on hypothetical trade proposals. I want everyone to come up with 3 potential title names for CMac in Columbus

 

[shadow1]

Friedman pointed out recently how much Blue Jackets ownership (John McConnell) loves Boone Jenner.

Meanwhile, Aaron Portzline speculated that Columbus will let John Davidson "retire" this off-season out of respect, instead of firing him.

If either of those things are true, a potentially lame duck Davidson likely doesn't have permission to trade Jenner.

 

[AllAboutAvs]

You mean like Landy during the 16/17 season…?

You shouldn't make so evident that you are reading Hench's posts before coming up with your own.

 

[chet1926]

Deadline scenarios, from most likely to least likely:

1- Henrique/Wennberg
2- No 2C (adding a winger and a bottom 6 center similar to Eller)
3- No top 6 addition
4- Long term solution (Zegras, Mittelstadt)

I think you mis-numbered. Slide 2 to 1 and then 3 to 2 and then move 1 to 3.

You're kidding yourself if you think McDumbshit will do anything. There is a high likelihood you are looking at our team moving forward.

He's going to hope for Landy, Nuke, Kovalenko as the help. When there is a plausible chance that Landy doesn't come back, Nuke doesn't get released from the program, and Kovalenko is a mid to nothing add.

It's most likely going to be depressing.

 

[LOFIN]

I don't subscribe, but going by the headline. Are the Jackets trying to steal Cmac? If so, how can I help them?

They can have CMac, we can take Jarmo. Who says no? Yes, @Balthazar but who else?

At least we wouldn't have people crying not going all in at the deadline. We might even improve our drafting.

 

[The Abusement Park]

You shouldn't make so evident that you are reading Hench's posts before coming up with your own.

One day I’ll come up with my own ideas