Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[The Moops]

This movie is too good

At my last job we used that as a test clip for every scenario. I probably it 100x over just through various parts over 4 years

Avs management just can't compete with these aggressive front offices.

Or aggressive forechecking teams

 

[dahrougem2]

If Stone doesn’t come back in the playoffs, doesn’t matter who Vegas gets, that would be a big loss for them. Same as Avs losing Landy

He will be back. It'd be foolish to think otherwise.

 

[henchman21]

Playoffs are different than the regular season. Just the fact you play teams 4-7 times in a row makes it different. Gameplans, matchups, tweaks, physicality, etc etc are all different.

IMO Henrique is not enough on that discussion. He hasn't been a full time center on a good team ever in his career. The best team he was ever on was the 11-12 Devils that made a run... where he was a rookie on the wing. He's now in his mid 30s, slow down and his best run at center was pre-covid for ~2-2.5 seasons with Anaheim. Where he was behind Getz and was a below average 2C at best... bad 2C at worst. He can be a great sidekick to a young center trying to get their feet wet (we've seen that plenty), but he's never been able to matchup consistently at 2C in his whole career. At his age and where he's slowing down to... it just isn't likely to work.

There is definitely some mystery box to the Zegras/Mitts pairing. They at least project better and in Mitts' case, have clawed their way through a pecking order to earn a spot. If we were talking 25-27 year old Henrique, he'd definitely be worth a gamble. At 34 it just seems like there isn't enough upside.

 

[Alienblood]

To add to their extremely solid center depth...

Avs management just can't compete with these aggressive front offices.

save assets and make a big move in the summer

 

[the_fan]

He will be back. It'd be foolish to think otherwise.

He has a raptured spleen. I think it was Friedman who said a doctor told him people shouldn’t be naive thinking that’s not a serious injury

 

[Balthazar]

Playoffs are different than the regular season. Just the fact you play teams 4-7 times in a row makes it different. Gameplans, matchups, tweaks, physicality, etc etc are all different.

IMO Henrique is not enough on that discussion. He hasn't been a full time center on a good team ever in his career. The best team he was ever on was the 11-12 Devils that made a run... where he was a rookie on the wing. He's now in his mid 30s, slow down and his best run at center was pre-covid for ~2-2.5 seasons with Anaheim. Where he was behind Getz and was a below average 2C at best... bad 2C at worst. He can be a great sidekick to a young center trying to get their feet wet (we've seen that plenty), but he's never been able to matchup consistently at 2C in his whole career. At his age and where he's slowing down to... it just isn't likely to work.

There is definitely some mystery box to the Zegras/Mitts pairing. They at least project better and in Mitts' case, have clawed their way through a pecking order to earn a spot. If we were talking 25-27 year old Henrique, he'd definitely be worth a gamble. At 34 it just seems like there isn't enough upside.

Here's the thing. The Henrique vs CM/Zegras is a false debate.

The debate is Henrique vs Wennberg or Kerfoot. These are the guys that are likely to move Friday. Not Byram for Zegras, these trades literally never happen at trade deadlines.

If Henrique is good enough to keep Colton on the 3rd line it's a win. His production this year has been good, he's been good on the dot and has been playing center for most of the season. You plug him between 2 top 6 wingers and hope for the best.

Is it good enough? Unlikely. Is it the best we can realistically hope for? Yes.

 

[JLo217]

save assets and make a big move in the summer

Cap exists

 

[henchman21]

Here's the thing. The Henrique vs CM/Zegras is a false debate.

The debate is Henrique vs Wennberg or Kerfoot. These are the guys that are likely to move Friday. Not Byram for Zegras, these trades literally never happen at trade deadlines.

If Henrique is good enough to keep Colton on the 3rd line it's a win. His production this year has been good, he's been good on the dot and has been playing center for most of the season. You plug him between 2 top 6 wingers and hope for the best.

Is it good enough? Unlikely. Is it the best we can realistically hope for? Yes.

We've seen hockey moves like a Byram/Zegras swap happen during the season. They don't happen nearly as often as rentals for obvious reasons... but they are not impossible to make happen. Outright eliminating the possibility is misguided.

 

[The Abusement Park]

That is truly horrendous; those three combined for zero goals and 6 assists in the playoffs.

The point is, I wholeheartedly agree. Not even the 16-4 Avs were perfect, and Henrique is a very reasonable option given the situation Colorado is in. He's on pace for 57 points on the 5th lowest scoring team in the NHL. He would be a substantial upgrade on Johansen.

I mean that team could get away with it because of having a 90pt 2C, a 65pt winger on the 3rd line and the 4th line was way better than this one currently. Plus JTC for all the shit he gets still can fill in on a 2nd line for a short stint.

This roster doesn’t have a 2C, has a solid 3rd line( but Colton doesn’t quite have the talent to fill in on the 2nd line), a legit boat anchor in RyJo and a not that great 4th line.

Henrique would honestly be a great addition on the wing, I just don’t think he has cup contention ability in the top 6 at C anymore and that Avs desperately need that. I think it’s been shown time and time again half measures at C do not work here.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[AvBuff]

To add to their extremely solid center depth...

Avs management just can't compete with these aggressive front offices.

Ummm, you do realize that the Avs management were hyper-aggressive in 2021-22, which led to the Stanley Cup, right? Lehky, Kuemper, Toews, Kadri, Nuke, Georgiev, Sturm, Manson were all deals swung by Avs management in an effort to win the Cup. And they all worked. All of those deals (except for Nuke) involved trading assets and draft picks. But you just can't empty your draft pantry every year.

Avs management - going back to Lacroix - have always been aggressive. They're just not stupid.

And - spoiler alert - even great GMs whiff. Pierre Lacroix - the best GM in Avs history and the GM by which all GMs are measured around here - only won 2 Cups with Sakic, Forsberg, Foote and Roy.

5 years apart.

 

[Chibby]

Avs are off tonight, Sabers are off tonight, Flyers are off tonight. Just saying.

Time to get a CNap in

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Ummm, you do realize that the Avs management were hyper-aggressive in 2021-22, which led to the Stanley Cup, right? Lehky, Kuemper, Toews, Kadri, Nuke, Georgiev, Sturm, Manson were all deals swung by Avs management in an effort to win the Cup. And they all worked. All of those deals (except for Nuke) involved trading assets and draft picks. But you just can't empty your draft pantry every year.

Avs management - going back to Lacroix - have always been aggressive. They're just not stupid.

And - spoiler alert - even great GMs whiff. Pierre Lacroix - the best GM in Avs history and the GM by which all GMs are measured around here - only won 2 Cups with Sakic, Forsberg, Foote and Roy.

5 years apart.

That isn't true at all.

 

[Balthazar]

We've seen hockey moves like a Byram/Zegras swap happen during the season. They don't happen nearly as often as rentals for obvious reasons... but they are not impossible to make happen. Outright eliminating the possibility is misguided.

It's the timing that makes no sense. If you're gonna swap Byram for Mittelstadt why wait at the trade deadline to do it? You can do that trade at any time.

 

[henchman21]

Ummm, you do realize that the Avs management were hyper-aggressive in 2021-22, which led to the Stanley Cup, right? Lehky, Kuemper, Toews, Kadri, Nuke, Georgiev, Sturm, Manson were all deals swung by Avs management in an effort to win the Cup. And they all worked. All of those deals (except for Nuke) involved trading assets and draft picks. But you just can't empty your draft pantry every year.

Avs management - going back to Lacroix - have always been aggressive. They're just not stupid.

And - spoiler alert - even great GMs whiff. Pierre Lacroix - the best GM in Avs history and the GM by which all GMs are measured around here - only won 2 Cups with Sakic, Forsberg, Foote and Roy.

5 years apart.

Outside of 21-22, the Avs have not been an aggressive front office since 2011... arguably 2007. IMO the reason they went aggressive in 21-22 is they saw the writing on the wall with contracts and the window. If they lost that year, they'd have been potentially looking at a Winnipeg situation where you wait yourselves out of a chance. So they took a bunch of risks and sold a lot to ensure they gave the team a good chance.

 

[henchman21]

It's the timing that makes no sense. If you're gonna swap Byram for Mittelstadt why wait at the trade deadline to do it? You can do that trade at any time.

For Mitts specifically... to prove last season wasn't a fluke and to get a better idea of where the next contract will fall. Along with that, the clear solution rental was Lindholm. Assuming they were trying there as plan A, then Mitts should be plan B.

The point of any time applies here... it can be now and there is nothing prohibiting that. The Avs missed out on the one clear rental in Lindholm, so beyond him, the best solution is now guys who are playing/project in that role but cost more than rentals.

 

[hockeyfish]

It's the timing that makes no sense. If you're gonna swap Byram for Mittelstadt why wait at the trade deadline to do it? You can do that trade at any time.

We know they have been sniffing around the rental D market. Could be as simple as trying to get a replacement for Byram 1st before pulling the trigger on that deal.

 

[avalanche_country]

PL trading Drury still pisses me off

 

[Alienblood]

Cap exists

LTIR Landy

 

[Mighty Makar]

PL trading Drury still pisses me off

Yep!

 

[Alienblood]

PL trading Drury still pisses me off

He held out and that was a no no for PL. He had that rule set in stone

 

[Mighty Makar]

He held out and that was a no no for PL. He had that rule set in stone

Yep!

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

He held out and that was a no no for PL. He had that rule set in stone

The Avs "set in stone" policies are dumb. It's the same as the Duchene cap costing us talent.

 

[avalanche_country]

He held out and that was a no no for PL. He had that rule set in stone

Yup, I hated that “rule” still proudly own his #37 jersey

 

[Alienblood]

This rumor won't post for some reason but it has Mitts going to the Red Wings