Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

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Ararana

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Wennberg is just Johansen with some penalty killing abilities, change my mind.
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The price on Buchnevich sounds kinda insane.
I will laugh my ass off if the Rangers pay an exorbitant price for a player they hated so much they dealt him to St. Louis for an overrated, injury-prone grinder who spent most of his time in New York on IR, then dealt said glass grinder BACK to St. Louis in exchange for two minutes of Vladimir Tarasenko, who they then let walk for nothing.
 
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henchman21

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Wennberg can PK in a lot of systems... but he'd do very poorly in the Avs' system. The Avs require their forwards to apply heavy pressure and rotate... they have to be good skaters. If a player gets a step behind, or can't apply pressure... the whole system falls apart. That's what Wennberg would be here. If the Avs played a more passive, zone system... I think he'd be quite good.

I'd say he's at least elite defensively based on this if he's matched up against top lines and putting up good defensive numbers. 70% defense against 90% competition is quite impressive.
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The price on Buchnevich sounds kinda insane.
I’d pay it as you can use him or another winger in the summer to recoup some assets or finally solve the 2C issue. To me, he’s by far the best available player at this deadline. We need someone with his shot and he’d help mitigate the trouble we have at center.
 

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I’d pay it as you can use him or another winger in the summer to recoup some assets or finally solve the 2C issue. To me, he’s by far the best available player at this deadline. We need someone with his shot and he’d help mitigate the trouble we have at center.
We're talking 1st + Ritchie + reclamation/3rd... for a winger. Where his value will drop this summer by a good amount because of the contract demands.
 

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Just for shit and giggles. Which one would you go for?

1. Drouin - Mack - Mikko
Lehky - Henrique/Wennberg/Kerfoot - Nuke
Wood - Colton - LOC

2. Guentzel - Mack - Mikko
Lehky - Drouin - Nuke
Wood - Colton - LOC
 

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We're talking 1st + Ritchie + reclamation/3rd... for a winger. Where his value will drop this summer by a good amount because of the contract demands.
No problems giving up that package for me. The time to go all in is now. Can also trade Lehky in the summer and use Buch as our own rental for next year.
 

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Wennberg can PK in a lot of systems... but he'd do very poorly in the Avs' system. The Avs require their forwards to apply heavy pressure and rotate... they have to be good skaters. If a player gets a step behind, or can't apply pressure... the whole system falls apart. That's what Wennberg would be here. If the Avs played a more passive, zone system... I think he'd be quite good.

Pffffffft...the last time the Avs PK applied actual heavy pressure Taylor Swift was dating that one guy from the 1975. It's gone back to being the worst of both worlds--passive, but completely unable to get in the way of any shots or passing lanes.

It's like the PK relies on players to just, I dunno, figure it out. Like Darren Helm or a fully healthy Logan O'Connor, or a mostly healthy Cale Makar. Without anyone like that, the kill just looks pathetic. Doesn't help that even last year and he was putting up decent numbers, Georgiev was positively abysmal on the man-disadvantage. And this year he's just leaving wiiiiide open nets for the opposition to fire into. That's not all on him obviously, in fact I'm cutting him some slack here, but he's just about the worst possible fit for this PK, for whatever reason.
 
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Let's say Wennberg (50-75% retained) costs 26 2nd + 25 3rd + Behrens. Then we know Eller cost 25 2nd. That's essentially 2 2nds + 3rd + Behrens for two rentals and never coming real close to solving the issue. This is running parallel the cost for Horvat/Lindholm as 1st + prospect + roster player/mid round pick.

The super frustrating part is that just being a touch more willing to spend would have gotten a guy here who would at least solve the issue for a run (can debate the merit of re-signing).

Oh I agree. There’s been far better options. Still have Zegras/Middelstat available.

Just saying something is better than nothing. No point in hoarding assets for the off-season at this point. Legit 2C would be best case but I’d rather them build depth than do nothing. Eller++ would have been better than just Eller. Same with Wennberg. Both are worse than just getting a Zegras or long term solution but Henrique/Wennberg + another add is significantly better than last year.
 

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No they aren't but what's more important than goals and points?
Goals and points while playing to your capabilities in the other areas of the ice. I’ll take a dip in production any day if it means they are playing all areas of the ice effectively.

That’s the whole reason everyone else on this board is frustrated with Rantanen. Sure, the points are there, but the effort is not. Makars’ effort is never in question but his head is not where it needs to be at in order for him to be fully effective. He’s not playing with the confidence he’s had since entering the league, and George is just straight up a headcase.

That’s not to say I think they are bad players but superstars (in Makar and Rantanens case) should be held to the highest standards.
 

henchman21

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Pffffffft...the last time the Avs PK applied actual heavy pressure Taylor Swift was dating that one guy from the 1975. It's gone back to being the worst of both worlds--passive, but completely unable to get in the way of any shots or passing lanes.

It's like the PK relies on players to just, I dunno, figure it out. Like Darren Helm or a fully healthy Logan O'Connor, or a mostly healthy Cale Makar. Without anyone like that, the kill just looks pathetic. Doesn't help that even last year and he was putting up decent numbers, Georgiev was positively abysmal on the man-disadvantage. And this year he's just leaving wiiiiide open nets for the opposition to fire into. That's not all on him obviously, in fact I'm cutting him some slack here, but he's just about the worst possible fit for this PK, for whatever reason.

I mean the attempt is that heavy pressure... if it isn't there, it falls apart. Like we've been seeing. Wennberg just doesn't have the capability to apply that heavy pressure. I'm sure he'd be used there... but it isn't his game and the weaknesses would be even more glaring.

Oh I agree. There’s been far better options. Still have Zegras/Middelstat available.

Just saying something is better than nothing. No point in hoarding assets for the off-season at this point. Legit 2C would be best case but I’d rather them build depth than do nothing. Eller++ would have been better than just Eller. Same with Wennberg. Both are worse than just getting a Zegras or long term solution but Henrique/Wennberg + another add is significantly better than last year.

That's really my point... just pay up for guys that solve the position. This paying up lower prices to patch it is death by a thousand cuts. You end up paying just as much and have a worse team. Even if it costs you a lot more now... just pay for Mitts or Zegras.
 

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Not mostly irrational. Completely irrational. 100% bonkers. Because you are remembering shit that literally never happened.

The Avs were never a shitty team while Kerfoot was on the roster. Never. In fact, the Avs were the shittiest team of all time (adjusted for inflation) the year before he showed up, and that team had MacKinnon, Barrie, Duchene, Johnson, Compher, and Rantanen, but no Kerfoot, so I have no f***ing clue why you associate him with bad Avs teams, because the two never intersected for even a second.

So...keep dreaming. I'll reserve my irrational hatred for former Avs for Bates Battaglia, Matt Hunwick...and Ryan Johansen.

I understand but I still want to enlist you in our Hate Kerfoot group.
 
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