Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[JLo217]

Welp.. nothing happening today... or tomorrow. Stack up another L

 

[Foppa2118]

Henrique is a 34 year old UFA who's been mostly a winger on a shitty team for the last few years.

Mittelstadt is a 26 year old RFA who's played on a shitty team his entire career.

Sounds like their situation's a wash for the most part.

Hasn't Henrique played mostly center this year? Someone just said here, he's played center all year.

He's listed as a pure C on NHL.com, and is 1st on the Ducks in faceoffs taken. I have no problem with him in between Nuke and Lehky.

Mittelsdadt - 904 FO's - 47.1%
Henrique - 911 FO's - 52.9%

 

[The Moops]

Just get Henrique and be done with it

 

[dahrougem2]

They do need a 2C, but my issue is that I'm not sure how big an upgrade Mitts is on Henrique, who won't cost Byram. Why pay that premium for a 60 point center who could even regress?

2023-24 Pace

Henrique - 24 goals - 56 points - 52.9%
Mittelsdadt - 19 goals - 63 points - 47.1%

Well, Mittelstadt has 12 more even strength points than Henrique this season which isn't an insignificant amount.

I think that the values for these two players are equal. In Mittelstadt you're not expecting a top line guy, and with Byram you're not expecting a top pair defenseman.

 

[Foppa2118]

Well, Mittelstadt has 12 more even strength points than Henrique this season which isn't an insignificant amount.

I think that the values for these two players are equal. In Mittelstadt you're not expecting a top line guy, and with Byram you're not expecting a top pair defenseman.

Honest question. Is 12 more even strength points worth Bo Byram?

How much even strength offense do you lose by trading Bo who's great at breaking up plays, and jump starting rushes 5v5 by getting the puck out of the D zone with smart passes?

Mitt's is on pace for 5 less goals than Henrique too.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Sounds like their situation's a wash for the most part.

Hasn't Henrique played mostly center this year? Someone just said here, he's played center all year.

He's listed as a pure C on NHL.com, and is 1st on the Ducks in faceoffs taken. I have no problem with him in between Nuke and Lehky.

Mittelsdadt - 904 FO's - 47.1%
Henrique - 911 FO's - 52.9%

One is 34 and the other is 26. One has team control after this year, the other doesn't. One has maybe 3-4 years left in his career, the other has a good 10-12.

 

[dahrougem2]

Honest question. Is 12 more even strength points worth Bo Byram?

How much even strength offense do you lose by trading Bo who's great at breaking up plays, and jump starting rushes 5v5 by getting the puck out of the D zone with smart passes?

Mitt's is on pace for 5 less goals than Henrique too.

I think you and I view Byram differently, though. I think Byram is great, he's had an underwhelming season, but I don't think he's some scrub like a lot of fans deem him these days.

However, I don't see Bo Byram reaching whatever his potential could be on this Avalanche squad. Is hoping he reaches that potential knowing he's firmly behind both Cale Makar and Devon Toews in the eyes of Avs staff worth potentially not acquiring a legitimate ~60-70 point two way center in his prime?

 

[Foppa2118]

One is 34 and the other is 26. One has team control after this year, the other doesn't. One has maybe 3-4 years left in his career, the other has a good 10-12.

Does it concern you that Mitts is in his prime and only a 60 point player?

 

[Foppa2118]

I think you and I view Byram differently, though. I think Byram is great, he's had an underwhelming season, but I don't think he's some scrub like a lot of fans deem him these days.

However, I don't see Bo Byram reaching whatever his potential could be on this Avalanche squad. Is hoping he reaches that potential knowing he's firmly behind both Cale Makar and Devon Toews in the eyes of Avs staff worth potentially not acquiring a legitimate ~60-70 point two way center in his prime?

Bo's got plenty of time to reach his potential at 22. He's missed a bunch of development time too.

I often see that Bo is stuck behind Toews, but there's no guarantee Toews will play on the top pair his entire tenure, or even stay on the team.

Bo could get better and Toews at 30 could transition to a 2nd pair D man as early as next season.

And even if he doesn't, Bo can still bring a lot of value to the team if he can be a good #3.

I also have a feeling they may have talked about a potential trade down the line during negotiations. RIAL said his priority was a M-NTC that would keep him in the west, so he'd be closer to home in Vancouver. He may become a cap casualty at some point.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Does it concern you that Mitts is in his prime and only a 60 point player?

No. He's played on terrible teams his entire career. I imagine that would change playing with this team. The Avs haven't had a consistent 60+ point 2C since they had Duchene, Stastny, and ROR. Naz had one year over 60 points for the Avs, and they won the Cup.

Losing Bo would suck, but they have Makar, they have Toews, they have G, and they have Malinski, Berhens, and Gulyayev waiting in the wings. They can find a 5th and 6th D-man easier than they can find a 2C.

 

[sethro109]

Does it concern you that Mitts is in his prime and only a 60 point player?

Kadri's best season before our cup run he had 61 points in the 2016-2017 season. He was 26 years old that season. This year Mitts (25) is pacing for 63 points.

 

[Foppa2118]

Kadri's best season before our cup run he had 61 points in the 2016-2017 season. He was 26 that season. This year Mitts (25) is pacing for 63 points.

But we'd have to wait until Mitts next contract year to have one like Naz.

 

[sethro109]

But we'd have to wait until Mitts next contract year to have one like Naz.

Assuming his career will go exactly like Kadri's did is silly. The point I was trying to make is, that just being a "60 point" player isn't a horrible thing for a 2C on a bad team. We have the wingers to give the kid a ton of support.

I know you don't want to give up Bo in a trade because you want him to realizes his potential here. But if that's the piece we need to give up to fix our 2C problem, then we have to do it. No one (other than MacK and Makar) should be off the table if it means fixing the giant gaping hole on the team.

Girard isn't really an option because he doesn't have the value. He's seen around the league an a tiny defenseman and just went through the player assistance program.

Management just signed Toews to an extension, so he's obviously not going anywhere.

No team in their right mind would trade a young RFA for Manson.

Lehky could be another option, but he also just signed his new contract and is a swiss army type for this roster.

Nuke has killed his own value.

I also don't think management has any intentions on trading Mikko.

And the other forwards on the team just don't have any real value.

The way I see it. Bo, through a bunch of weird circumstances has just ended up as the odd man out. We also won't be able to afford his next contract. With Power getting $8m this season, and with the cap rising, I could see Bo going after $9m a season.

 

[The Merchant]

Boy if people are dreading how soft and perimeter Kerfoot would be as 2C, they're in for a rude awakening if the Avs sell the farm for Mittelstadt

 

[Cypher]

The Avs need to make another hockey trade with Ottawa. Something revolving around Mikko for Pinto and Batherson plus tons of other parts, but those would be the 3 main pieces.

 

[UncleRisto]

Apparently Philly signed two dogs to ELCs.

 

[niwotsblessing]

We can probably agree his offensive confidence hasn't been very high pretty much all season though right? Hasn't really played on his toes much like he's capable of until recently.

That makes a big difference, especially for Bo, who thrives on confidence like Kadri and Nate.

He's probably not gonna get 1st unit PP time, but he would be much better served getting more than 15 seconds per PP on the half wall. He's a much better QB than Toews or Girard IMO. They're just vets so Bednar is deferring to them right now.

In general, I'm not sure why Bednar and Bennett insist on the 1st unit getting like 1:40 every PP. How often have they scored in that final 30 seconds or so? I can't think of any. Their zone entires are much worse at the end too.

Malinski is a better PP2 QB than Bo- better shot, along with more smarts and patience.

 

[The Merchant]

 

[The Abusement Park]

Does it concern you that Mitts is in his prime and only a 60 point player?

Why would it be concerning that we’d be adding a 60pt C who’s good defensively?

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Good to hear Friedman say other teams are speculating that the Avs are chasing centres that aren’t known to be available.

Also keeps referring to Sakic even though Cmac is the GM. Keeps referring to Sakic’s competitiveness along with other former players like Steve Y and Blake.

Him and Marek conclude that people around the league are starting to think more that Landy may be ready to begin playoffs and that if that’s the expectation, it’s a go all in year because they don’t know how many more they’ll have with Landy.

Friedman doesn’t seem to ever know much about what the Avs are up to, but when he cites what other teams are thinking as he is in this case, I tend to believe a little more.

 

[Ararana]

Our front office isn't stupid. The deficiencies are clear as day. The real question is what does CMac believe to be the best solution to these problems? I bet he is feeling the pressure, I think a lot of his job is hinging on this trade deadline.

Yes, they absolutely are.

The fire cMac thread probably should have went up last summer after he left the team out to dry, now he's about to do it two years in a row. Alex Kerfoot? JFC.

Extending Toews to an ugly contract is even more idiotic if they don't do everything in their power to try to win immediately with him. Still having a massive hole a 2C isn't trying to win.

I don't even think Mittelstadt is putting their best foot forward in trying to contend. He's the best option out there but I'm not convinced he can hang at 2C with the Avs trying to win a cup.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Sounds like their situation's a wash for the most part.

Hasn't Henrique played mostly center this year? Someone just said here, he's played center all year.

He's listed as a pure C on NHL.com, and is 1st on the Ducks in faceoffs taken. I have no problem with him in between Nuke and Lehky.

Mittelsdadt - 904 FO's - 47.1%
Henrique - 911 FO's - 52.9%

The Ducks move Henrique around as their veteran swiss army knife, to accommodate their top young talents. Even when not officially listed at center in the lineup on a given night, he's often taking a lot of the center duties defensively and most the of the draws. This year there's been a revolving door of injuries between Zegras, McTavish, Carlsson, so that's led to Rico playing more full time down the middle. But definitely was doing a bit of a winger/center hybrid thing while Zegras was first getting his feet wet at the center position, and never seems to have any trouble seamlessly moving between center and wing.

 

[BobRossColton]

Good to hear Friedman say other teams are speculating that the Avs are chasing centres that aren’t known to be available.

Also keeps referring to Sakic even though Cmac is the GM. Keeps referring to Sakic’s competitiveness along with other former players like Steve Y and Blake.

Him and Marek conclude that people around the league are starting to think more that Landy may be ready to begin playoffs and that if that’s the expectation, it’s a go all in year because they don’t know how many more they’ll have with Landy.

Friedman doesn’t seem to ever know much about what the Avs are up to, but when he cites what other teams are thinking as he is in this case, I tend to believe a little more.

Wonder if that means more or less willingly to use Ritchie/gulyayev.

 

[henchman21]

Any amount of Kerfoot cope is too much. Avs need a 2C… not a flawed 3C with another year on his contract. We’ve seen it not only here, but in Toronto too. He’s not good enough and the term is a downside… it means he’d be the ‘answer’ next year too.

 

[Balthazar]

Any amount of Kerfoot cope is too much. Avs need a 2C… not a flawed 3C with another year on his contract. We’ve seen it not only here, but in Toronto too. He’s not good enough and the term is a downside… it means he’d be the ‘answer’ next year too.

Kerfoot would be the RyJo mistake part II.

Similar term and AAV too.