Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[PAZ]

How are Monahan's advanced stats in Winnipeg?

Just basing on his production it seems like Monahan might've been a better pick-up than this board thought. Still don't know if he'd be a fit in Bednar's system, but might've been worth the gamble.

 

[Alienblood]

let's retool, do we really wanna get swept by the Oilers

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

let's retool, do we really wanna get swept by the Oilers

The masochistic part of me wonders if 4giev would become 6eorgiev after that series and kinda wants to see it

 

[Alienblood]

The masochistic part of me wonders if 4giev would become 6eorgiev after that series and kinda wants to see it

then we can retool.

 

[Foppa2118]

You just know, with how things have been going for Van and Colorado as of late, Bo’s going to go supernova and immediately become a franchise D, Mittelstadt will hold out and the Avs will be forced to overpay only for him to completely stop trying.

This is absolutely primed to happen too.

Bo's 22 and played on his off side like 90% of the season with very little PP time.

Mittelsdadt's "breakout performance" last year, and this season in his contract year, hasn't proven he's anything more than a 60 point kind of player yet.

That's basically the level of a 50 point player a few years ago before scoring went up.

He's 97th in pts/gm among forwards and 110th overall.

And he turns 26 in November. What if he regresses after his contract year, which isn't that uncommon?

 

[lonelybadger]

It's going to be Crosby. I can feel it. If Crosby was going to ask to be traded it would only be to play with MacKinnon or Marchand.

 

[Colorado Avalanche]

Seriously though, this Pens meltdown is written in stars. Crosby cmon. Do it.

Win the Stanley Cup with MacK.

It's going to be Crosby. I can feel it. If Crosby was going to ask to be traded it would only be to play with MacKinnon or Marchand.

Colorado has the perfect situation. Missing that #2 center. It's written.

 

[the_fan]

If Crosby agrees to be traded to Avs to play with MacK, but he’s put on 2nd line center, is he really playing with MacK? He’ll just stay in Pittsburgh

 

[Pokecheque]

If Crosby agrees to be traded to Avs to play with MacK, but he’s put on 2nd line center, is he really playing with MacK? He’ll just stay in Pittsburgh

They’ll be on the 1st unit power play for sure. That should be more than enough.

That said I don’t think it’ll ever happen.

 

[the_fan]

They’ll be on the 1st unit power play for sure. That should be more than enough.

That said I don’t think it’ll ever happen.

Crosby already has 3 cups, one thing that might intrigue him enough to leave Pittsburgh is to actually play on a line with MacK, not be a 2C and only be on PP together. So if they put them together on a 1st line, Avs would still need a 2C

But a MacK-Crosby-Mikko line would be something we might see once in a life time

 

[dahrougem2]

This is absolutely primed to happen too.

Bo's 22 and played on his off side like 90% of the season with very little PP time.

Mittelsdadt's "breakout performance" last year, and this season in his contract year, hasn't proven he's anything more than a 60 point kind of player yet.

That's basically the level of a 50 point player a few years ago before scoring went up.

He's 97th in pts/gm among forwards and 110th overall.

And he turns 26 in November. What if he regresses after his contract year, which isn't that uncommon?

What gives me optimism is since last year Mittelstadt is 41st in even strength points but 101st in PP points. The Avs don't need him to perform on the PP, he'd get basically no time there anyways. Having that kind of production ability at even strength would be a godsend to this team.

 

[hockeyfish]

I won't let you poison me with this false hope.

 

[Foppa2118]

What gives me optimism is since last year Mittelstadt is 41st in even strength points but 101st in PP points. The Avs don't need him to perform on the PP, he'd get basically no time there anyways. Having that kind of production ability at even strength would be a godsend to this team.

Conversely Byram is 5th among D men in 5v5 goals with 8.

One behind Toews in less games for the team lead. In a down season at 22 years old.

What happens when he matures and has a good season with more PP time?

 

[Freaky Styley]

Our front office isn't stupid. The deficiencies are clear as day. The real question is what does CMac believe to be the best solution to these problems? I bet he is feeling the pressure, I think a lot of his job is hinging on this trade deadline.

 

[The Moops]

In a down season at 22 years old.

Bo is having a defensive down season. His offense has been fine. He's not going to get PP time here, so it's kind of a moot point

 

[Foppa2118]

Bo is having a defensive down season. His offense has been fine. He's not going to get PP time here, so it's kind of a moot point

We can probably agree his offensive confidence hasn't been very high pretty much all season though right? Hasn't really played on his toes much like he's capable of until recently.

That makes a big difference, especially for Bo, who thrives on confidence like Kadri and Nate.

He's probably not gonna get 1st unit PP time, but he would be much better served getting more than 15 seconds per PP on the half wall. He's a much better QB than Toews or Girard IMO. They're just vets so Bednar is deferring to them right now.

In general, I'm not sure why Bednar and Bennett insist on the 1st unit getting like 1:40 every PP. How often have they scored in that final 30 seconds or so? I can't think of any. Their zone entires are much worse at the end too.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

Seriously though, this Pens meltdown is written in stars. Crosby cmon. Do it.

Win the Stanley Cup with MacK.


Colorado has the perfect situation. Missing that #2 center. It's written.

It's not going to happen. Certainly not this week, if it ever does. He's the reason they resigned Malkin and Letang, and went and got Karlsson, and a big reason why their situation is not good right now. I can't see him bailing on them now after all that. He'll give them another chance to get things fixed next season.

IMO, if he doesn't resgin there this summer, goes into next year as UFA, and they have another year like this, then there's a small chance he asks to be be traded to the Avs. However, the cost would be large.

 

[the_fan]

I won't let you poison me with this false hope.

Don’t worry bro. We really are getting Kerfoot. It’s not a false hope, it’s a beautiful reality

 

[dahrougem2]

Conversely Byram is 5th among D men in 5v5 goals with 8.

One behind Toews in less games for the team lead. In a down season at 22 years old.

What happens when he matures and has a good season with more PP time?

The argument isn't Byram for me, though, because I don't ever see him getting more PP time on this team so long as Cale Makar is here. This team needs a 2nd line center more than they need Bo Byram. If given the choice, I obviously would trade Girard before Byram - I think teams covet Byram more and thus he'd need to be the piece sent out.

 

[the_fan]

Byram doesn’t get the chance to properly develop into top pair d-man on the Avs because there is Makar, Toews and even Girard at times seems to be ahead of Bo. If he goes to another team where he can actually play top pair minutes, he will thrive.

 

[Foppa2118]

The argument isn't Byram for me, though, because I don't ever see him getting more PP time on this team so long as Cale Makar is here. This team needs a 2nd line center more than they need Bo Byram. If given the choice, I obviously would trade Girard before Byram - I think teams covet Byram more and thus he'd need to be the piece sent out.

They do need a 2C, but my issue is that I'm not sure how big an upgrade Mitts is on Henrique, who won't cost Byram. Why pay that premium for a 60 point center who could even regress?

2023-24 Pace

Henrique - 24 goals - 56 points - 52.9%
Mittelsdadt - 19 goals - 63 points - 47.1%

 

[the_fan]

They do need a 2C, but my issue is that I'm not sure how big an upgrade Mitts is on Henrique, who won't cost Byram. Why pay that premium for a 60 point center who could even regress?

2023-24 Pace

Henrique - 24 goals - 56 points - 52.9%
Mittelsdadt - 19 goals - 63 points - 47.1%

Yup. If you’re trading Bo, it should be for a 70-80 point center. Avs gave up less for Naz who had a 87 point season

 

[The Moops]

We can probably agree his offensive confidence hasn't been very high pretty much all season though right? Hasn't really played on his toes much like he's capable of until recently.

That makes a big difference, especially for Bo, who thrives on confidence like Kadri and Nate.

He's probably not gonna get 1st unit PP time, but he would be much better served getting more than 15 seconds per PP on the half wall. He's a much better QB than Toews or Girard IMO. They're just vets so Bednar is deferring to them right now.

In general, I'm not sure why Bednar and Bennett insist on the 1st unit getting like 1:40 every PP. How often have they scored in that final 30 seconds or so? I can't think of any. Their zone entires are much worse at the end too.

I don't disagree with anything here. Drives me nuts that the 2nd PP unit doesn't get any time. I wouldn't mind seeing G pulled off the 2nd in favor of Bo, but Bennett...

Honestly I'd be pretty frustrated with my usage of I was Bo.

 

[UncleRisto]

Excuse me while I go change my pants.

You shit, right?

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

They do need a 2C, but my issue is that I'm not sure how big an upgrade Mitts is on Henrique, who won't cost Byram. Why pay that premium for a 60 point center who could even regress?

2023-24 Pace

Henrique - 24 goals - 56 points - 52.9%
Mittelsdadt - 19 goals - 63 points - 47.1%

Henrique is a 34 year old UFA who's been mostly a winger on a shitty team for the last few years.

Mittelstadt is a 26 year old RFA who's played on a shitty team his entire career.