Rumor: 23-24 Trade Rumors and Free Agency Part Trois: The Road to the Deadline

[Balthazar]

See that's actually what I miss about him. His podcasts tended to meander a bit and he'd talk about a lot of personal non-hockey stuff, but he did it in such a folksy and avuncular manner that I was still entertained.

I still have yet to crack open a Bobby Margarita though.

Really? Him constantly talking about margaritas, retirement, old music and old time stories when I wanted hockey stuff pissed me off.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

 

[MacKaRant]

He's clearly worse than LeBrun who is in a completely different category here... and he also has content responsibility. Chris Johnson is way less speculative.

The issue I have with LeBrun is that most of the time I feel his reporting or interviews are nothing burgers, full of softball questions and boring, milquetoast takes. Every once in awhile you get an interesting tidbit, but most articles leave you with the feeling that LeBrun has perfected the art of writing 800 words about nothing.

 

[Balthazar]

The issue I have with LeBrun is that most of the time I feel his reporting or interviews are nothing burgers, full of softball questions and boring, milquetoast takes. Every once in awhile you get an interesting tidbit, but most articles leave you with the feeling that LeBrun has perfected the art of writing 800 words about nothing.

Annoying: Weekes

Boring: LeBrun, CJ

Sometimes good, sometimes bad: Friedman

Entertaining: Dreger, Seravalli

 

[henchman21]

The issue I have with LeBrun is that most of the time I feel his reporting or interviews are nothing burgers, full of softball questions and boring, milquetoast takes. Every once in awhile you get an interesting tidbit, but most articles leave you with the feeling that LeBrun has perfected the art of writing 800 words about nothing.

That’s also why he gets the better scoops.

 

[MacKaRant]

That’s also why he gets the better scoops.

Yup, the old dilemma of reporters needing good relationships with the people they cover at the risk of losing access entirely.

 

[Foppa2118]

I never get the Friedman criticsm. Doesn't seem warranted to me.

Does he really talk about the Avs that much for clicks? I feel like we rarely hear anything in general about the Avs, and I rarely see the Avs attached to someone. And Friedman makes up just a small percentage of that rarity.

Regarding his speculation, that's what he's paid to do now, and he makes it clear when he's speculating, versus what he heard.

Either way, again that's his job. He got paid a big contract, likely much bigger than his peers, he's on HNIC and other Sportsnet related platforms every week, and they want their money's worth. Why knock the hustle?

The Avs are a top team, recent Cup winner, with a glaring hole at 2C everyone is wondering how they're gonna fill. So of course he's gonna talk about them. That's what his audience wants to hear. That's how his industry works.

 

[Balthazar]

Does he really talk about the Avs that much for clicks?

Of course not. Tiny fanbase.

 

[dahrougem2]

I never get the Friedman criticsm. Doesn't seem warranted to me.

Does he really talk about the Avs that much for clicks? I feel like we rarely hear anything in general about the Avs, and I rarely see the Avs attached to someone. And Friedman makes up just a small percentage of that rarity.

Regarding his speculation, that's what he's paid to do now, and he makes it clear when he's speculating, versus what he heard.

Either way, again that's his job. He got paid a big contract, likely much bigger than his peers, he's on HNIC and other Sportsnet related platforms every week, and they want their money's worth. Why knock the hustle?

The Avs are a top team, recent Cup winner, with a glaring hole at 2C everyone is wondering how they're gonna fill. So of course he's gonna talk about them. That's what his audience wants to hear. That's how his industry works.

IIRC every last "big name" the last several years has been connected to the Avs via Friedman.

 

[henchman21]

Yup, the old dilemma of reporters needing good relationships with the people they cover at the risk of losing access entirely.

Yeah… and I don’t think his reporting it great, just when he states rumblings, it is probably true.

 

[Sea Eagles]

Yes. Shutting out a shitty Chicago team doesn’t change my overall opinion.

Fair enough, and I can't even argue the point, because to me, it just shows you have super high standards and expectations for our club.

We may disagree on the specific subject, but we just both want the same things.

I personally hope we stick with, develop and nurture him. So many have been crying out for a developed goalie within our club, well, here it is before us. And that's what "development" entails. Growth. Learning. Improving. And that's what is happening.

Know the best thing about a developed player? We lost absolutely nothing to acquire him.

That money can be better placed looking for what is perceived (and I disagree with) hole at 2C, or perceived (and I disagree with) depth on Defense.

Also, do you know how many points Rants scored at 2C middling two depth players? He was pretty good mate.

 

[Balthazar]

IIRC every last "big name" the last several years has been connected to the Avs via Friedman.

We know for a fact that they did make a push for some of them and came up short. Panarin, Giroux, etc.

 

[hockeyfish]

Of course not. Tiny fanbase.

There are dozens of us.

 

[henchman21]

There are dozens of us.

You need the gif here

 

[Foppa2118]

IIRC every last "big name" the last several years has been connected to the Avs via Friedman.

Is it really every big name though? I'm honestly asking, because I don't think I see as much of his content as some of you.

How does that compare to the other top contenders? Doesn't Edmonton and Toronto get attached to everyone too? Are we sure we're not just sensitized to it, because the Avs are the team we follow?

 

[hockeyfish]

You need the gif here

Sorry.

 

[Pokecheque]

Really? Him constantly talking about margaritas, retirement, old music and old time stories when I wanted hockey stuff pissed me off.

I get it, but that didn't bother me one bit. It would under normal circumstances but not him. He was aware of it and also proudly unapologetic about it.

 

[Foppa2118]

I think I saw recently people talking about Vancouver getting attached to every name out there too.

 

[Grigowski]

Have we traded for something yet?

 

[the_fan]

Hanifin to Avs makes no sense at all. Another case of Friedman throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks

 

[Bender]

Let's say he's right. IDK what they'd give up for him. If Conroy wouldn't take a 1st + RyJo for Tanev, you gotta think he is gonna want a 1st + a good roster player + prospect, and that's not including any retention (and they can't add Hanafin without trading out equal salary or 50%-75% retention). That seems too expensive, especially for a team that needs a 2C and a backup G way worse than they need another top 4 D-man and a guy that's a UFA.

Well I do think that Conroy probably took some flak for not getting a 1st in that Tanev deal. They might really like the Russian former 2nd round pick prospect that they got but he seems like a pretty iffy add-in to me, though I don't know much about the kid. For the Flames to get that conditional 3rd round pick, the stars have to get to the finals - or else they get nothing, that's by no means a slam dunk. There's a real chance that they moved Tanev for a late 2nd rounder and a fringe prospect... that's not a great return.

Teams are really trying to hang on to their 1st round picks and don't want to give them up so if the Avs offer their 1st round pick in 2024 and a conditional 2026 1st round pick* (whereas if the Avs reach the final, they get the 1st and if they don't, they get a 2026 2nd) + another piece maybe of varying degree Malinski/Behrens/Myers/Foudy depending on who they like... that certainly wouldn't be a bad deal for UFA rental Hanifin - I think that would get it done and Calgary would take that and run. As we've seen with the trend, they'd retain 50% and the Avs could find another team to retain another 25% (that would probably cost a 3rd). So then Hanifin would come in at something ridiculous like $1.2375M with 75% retained from his $4.95M salary. Would the Avs even be willing to pay that kind of price ? Probably not.

Like I said, this only makes sense if the Avs have something else brewing that involves Byram or Girard going the other way so that they can acquire a #2C.

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

Of course not. Tiny fanbase.

Size queen

 

[BobRossColton]

So if we go after wennberg, will we be getting Daccord too?

 

[Pokecheque]

Well I do think that Conroy probably took some flak for not getting a 1st in that Tanev deal. They might really like the Russian former 2nd round pick prospect that they got but he seems like a pretty iffy add-in to me, though I don't know much about the kid. For the Flames to get that conditional 3rd round pick, the stars have to get to the finals - or else they get nothing, that's by no means a slam dunk. There's a real chance that they moved Tanev for a late 2nd rounder and a fringe prospect... that's not a great return.

Teams are really trying to hang on to their 1st round picks and don't want to give them up so if the Avs offer their 1st round pick in 2024 and a conditional 2026 1st round pick* (whereas if the Avs reach the final, they get the 1st and if they don't, they get a 2026 2nd) + another piece maybe of varying degree Malinski/Behrens/Myers/Foudy depending on who they like... that certainly wouldn't be a bad deal for UFA rental Hanifin - I think that would get it done and Calgary would take that and run. As we've seen with the trend, they'd retain 50% and the Avs could find another team to retain another 25% (that would probably cost a 3rd). So then Hanifin would come in at something ridiculous like $1.2375M with 75% retained from his $4.95M salary. Would the Avs even be willing to pay that kind of price ? Probably not.

Like I said, this only makes sense if the Avs have something else brewing that involves Byram or Girard going the other way so that they can acquire a #2C.

See I think maybe--and this is just speculation on my part--that ownership scuttled better offers because they just didn't want him in the division, i.e., Edmonton. I really do think ownership is driving the bus in Calgary and whether or not this thing with Markstrom is just posturing for a better deal, they're the ones holding up the process.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

Hanifin to Avs makes no sense at all. Another case of Friedman throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks

Exactly. The guy is less informed than we are when it comes to the Avs front office